Skip to comments.Tobacco industry once had high hopes for marijuana business
Posted on 06/05/2014 1:27:21 PM PDT by Wolfie
Tobacco industry once had high hopes for marijuana business
USA -- Richard Nixon was in the White House, his "war on drugs" was in full swing, yet Big Tobacco was secretly exploring the possibility of becoming Big Pot. Newly discovered documents from tobacco company archives at UC San Francisco show that major companies in the cigarette industry investigated joining the marijuana business in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The companies were driven then by the same shift in public attitudes that is now pushing legalization around the country. One company even asked a federal counter-narcotics official to secretly secure marijuana from the government for research.
"We request that there be no publicity whatsoever," a Philip Morris vice president wrote in late 1969 to Milton Joffee, drug sciences chief at the Justice Department's narcotics bureau. "We will provide the results to you on a confidential basis, and request that you not identify in the form of any public announcement where the work has been done."
Joffee responded that Philip Morris could skip Food and Drug Administration review of its application for government pot. "I do not feel there is any bar to maintaining the confidentiality you request," he wrote.
The documents, discovered by public health researchers, were disclosed Tuesday in the Milbank Quarterly, a health policy journal. They not only shed new light on the Nixon era, but appear when some Wall Street analysts and health advocates say tobacco companies may again be considering the expanding market for legalized weed.
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If not them, then the drug cartels from Mehico or others even more unsavory.
Tobacco industry once had high hopes for marijuana business
I’m sure they still do. Their prodct has killed millions and cost us billions.
What they wouldn’t do to get on board with legal marijuana and futher injure this nation.
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They still have high hopes. No pot dealer in the world has the distribution network of RJR or PM. If it goes nationally legal they win.
Of course it will be regulated and taxed. That’s actually part of the reason to want legalization, quality control and white market prices. Unless the fed goes crazy on the taxes (like they are with cigs) pot will still wind up cheaper.
Et tu, Jeff?
If the government actually wanted to take the wind out of the cartels’ sails they would legalize personal cultivation of pot.
I’m dead set against pot smoking but the idea of an illegal weed is just bizarre.
“taste the rainbow!”
“smell the loudness!”
“Oh crap, I forgot the link. “
LOL. That’s what pot does to you. Just the mere mention of it....
Now I get it.
Just how long do you think fedzilla is going to resist that urge? And what will their constituents do about it anyway? Vote Republican?
There will be a lot more social costs associated with widespread pot use than there ever were with widespread tobacco use.
Who knows. But that’s life with a legal product, you never know when the fed is going to go stupid. But even then you wind up with a black market like the untax stamped cig market, which isn’t nearly as violent as the current pot black market.
I doubt there will be more use. With it legal and regulated it actually gets harder for various classes to get than with it illegal. It’s a lot easier now for a teen to get pot than beer, because people selling beer have liquor licenses they wish to protect, and people selling are already breaking the law and don’t really care.
It’s really all about picking your poison. People that are going to smoke pot are going to smoke pot, the questions you need to ask yourself is would you rather the money go to Mexican drug cartels or the neighborhood liquor stores; and would you rather the seller have some sort of rules to follow or do whatever they want.
Sometimes I think the best solution to the war on drugs is to give the druggies whatever they want, as much as they want, at nominal cost and let Darwin take care of them.
For harder drugs, I also think the draconian solution they have in Singapore also has more appeal than the present status quo.
The WOD is probably doing more to erase the line than legalization ever would. At this point the government is a full fledged participant in most of the worst parts of the drug trade. They are an armed combatant, they pick sides (confidential informants), they help keep the prices artificially inflated, and periodically they kill innocent bystanders because they can’t read a map. Not to mention how much easier the poppy flow has gotten out of Afghanistan since we invaded. If anything legalized actually REDUCES the level of government involvement because a white market will be ruled by large corporations who already regularly bribe the government to get out of the way.
Singapore is a police state. If we have to become them to get people not to do drugs that’s the cure being worse than the disease.
And genetically engineered to decrease potency? I could envision a situation with very stiff fines for growing pot without a license.
Did the pro-drug crowd really think they'd get legalization without government control? What were they smoking?
Probably genetically engineered to have a variety of potencies, which already happens with pot and cigs. Not everybody wants the big buzz.
I’d guess it’ll go similar to home brew rules. Depending on the state you’re in you’re allowed to make certain amounts of certain types of booze, mostly you can’t sell without a license (some places you can sell very little), some places you can’t even gift.
I think the only people who expected a free for all were the anti-legalization crowd. All the pro-legalization people I know consider regulation and taxation to be part of what they want. Turning drugs into a profit center for the government is better than them being a budget black hole, and if alcohol and smokes tell us anything the BEST way to keep kids off drugs is to sell them at the liquor store.
If I remember correctly, back in the early 1970s there was a move to legalize Marajuana . It looked so promising many of the most popular names for MJ were quickly trademarked.
The move failed so the smokers began smoking Mexican mj that had been sprayed with the weed killer Parquait.
This was common knowledge back then.....supposedly one of the big tobacco companies even tried to trademark some names.
"No Stems No Seeds That You Don't Need....Acapulco Gold Is......*toke*.......Bad Ass Weed."
Singapore may be a police state of sorts but, in many ways, it is less of one than the United States . . . very big on economic freedom, for instance, if it doesn't involve stuff like drugs or chewing gum. There is also no denying that their model works. I lived in Japan for 15 years and spent a lot of that time doing business with Singapore. They are some of the most honest and pro-American people on the planet. They told me that circa 1960, before they implemented the current draconian laws, a good share of them were addicted to narcotics. It was a major drag on economic growth and emergence from third world status.
I'm not saying their model would work here. We lack the political will to do it for one thing. I'm just saying that our War on Drugs has clearly failed and it is time to try something else, if not the Singapore model, then yours.
I think it boils down more to the society than the government. Singapore made a conscious choice to change as a people, they were going to stop being one of the poster children for lawlessness. Part of that was draconian laws on a lot of small crimes, but the bigger portion of the fix was really on the societal level, most of their more draconian stuff doesn’t get enforced very often because the people have edited those behaviors out of themselves.
That’s harder in America because we’re so big and so very much not a monoculture. In a country that can’t decide what is BBQ and what you call a cold cut sandwich it’s hard to see us coming together and saying “this behavior here, we’re just not doing that anymore”, and even if we do there’s so many of us that the outliers will be legion. You can see that with the spree killers, we as a society are against it for obvious reasons, but even if only 1 in a million can’t “handle” that rule that still leaves 311 people no “on board”.
That becomes even more so with drugs. Let’s face it, in the end drugs are part of the entertainment industry. And I don’t mean that as any kind of anti-Hollywood thing, I’m saying that at least until one becomes addicted drugs are fun. We spend a lot of time and money on fun in this country, whether it’s movies, TV, books, sports (participating or watching), or drugs. We like to have our fun, and in spite of everything going on we seem to have plenty of time and money to have fun. You’re not going to edit out one type of fun. Even if a very small percentage of us choose that type, x 311 million means that small percentage is a lot of people, and a lot of money for the providers. The smart answer really is legalize, put it under regulations similar to booze and smokes, make it part of corporate revenue not a cartel business, and get some tax revenue.