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Should we ban Christmas? Telling children the myth of Santa Claus could damage them, claims...
Daily Mail ^ | 6/4/2014 | Ellie Zolfagharifard

Posted on 06/06/2014 3:33:04 AM PDT by markomalley

Fairy tales and believing in Father Christmas could cause children harm.

This is according to controversial biologist Richard Dawkins who warned an audience at the Cheltenham Science Festival about the dangers of make-believe.

In typically incendiary style, Dawkins suggested it was 'pernicious to instil in a child the view that the world is shaped by supernaturalism.'

The 73-year-old acknowledged that the appeal of fairytales lay in their magic but believes they may be causing more harm than we think.

He also questioned whether we should let children believe in the myth of Father Christmas at all.

'Is it a good thing to go along with the fantasy of childhood?,' he said. 'Or should we be fostering a spirit of scepticism?.'

Speaking about his autobiography ‘An Appetite for Wonder’, childhood formed a large part of the talk as he recalled his first eight years growing up in Africa.

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Full title: Should we ban Christmas? Telling children the myth of Santa Claus could damage them, claims Richard Dawkins

This wouldn't be worth posting except for the fact that there are plenty of folks who would take this nut-case seriously.

1 posted on 06/06/2014 3:33:04 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Every morning I wake up and every morning the world has gone a little more insane.


2 posted on 06/06/2014 3:34:50 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: markomalley

Richard Dawkins is such a sad little man. All I can say is...Lighten up Francis


3 posted on 06/06/2014 3:35:58 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: markomalley

It’s a Marxist idea, don’tcha know?


4 posted on 06/06/2014 3:36:17 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: markomalley

More evidence for the theory that atheists know perfectly well there is a God and they are furious with Him.


5 posted on 06/06/2014 3:37:24 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: markomalley

CS Lewis used to pulverize guys like Dawkins in debate all the time. It’s a shame he’s not around anymore, or someone like him.


6 posted on 06/06/2014 3:38:24 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: markomalley

Some Christians believe this.....a good friend of mine refused to allow his kids to believe in Santa. They didn’t want to lie to the kids. Ugh! They still celebrated Christmas but the presents came from the parents and Christmas was focused on the birth of Christ and not Santa Claus. My family celebrates both. My 16 year old doesn’t believe anymore, but would NEVER speak of it because he knows that Santa won’t bring gifts anymore. lol.


7 posted on 06/06/2014 3:39:21 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: markomalley

I don’t know how much damage is done - that sounds a little far-fetched.

I always told my kids the truth. We never did the whole Santa routine, or the tooth fairy, or anything else. I just figured that I’d want them to be able to believe me, so I didn’t bother with such sillyness.


8 posted on 06/06/2014 3:40:36 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: markomalley

An atheist who is obsessed with religion isn’t an atheist.


9 posted on 06/06/2014 3:42:00 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: napscoordinator

I stopped believing in Santa Clause when I was 8 or 9. My mom always told us that when we stopped believing, Santa would stop bringing presents. We had no long-lasting psychological damage as far as I can tell. Dawkins may be intelligent, but he’s an idiot.


10 posted on 06/06/2014 3:46:11 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

You are right. I was the oldest so in order to insist that I keep my big mouth shut my parents told us the same thing. My son 16 has 3 siblings and I want them to “believe” for as long as possible. It just makes it nicer in my opinion. We definitely focus on the Birth of Christ, but we also celebrate the spirit of Santa Claus who was a Christian himself. I think they both can work together.


11 posted on 06/06/2014 3:50:02 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: markomalley

Santa Claus serves many purposes. First, he brings joy and love into children’s lives. Then as children grow older, they learn that he doesn’t exist - which is a soft introduction to the disappoints that a child will face later in life. In other words, Santa Claus builds character. To deny a child that experience is to create soft, prissy children - which may exactly be what leftists want.

Dawkins is a true fool.


12 posted on 06/06/2014 3:52:14 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: markomalley

Dunno. In a way, the story of Santa kinda prepares them for the real world. I.E. America is a democracy where citizens enjoy freedom. Surprise!


13 posted on 06/06/2014 3:54:08 AM PDT by ransacked
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To: napscoordinator

Love Santa and love Christ! Like most atheists, Dawkins is determined to take all the beauty and joy out of life. A real killjoy! Bah, humbug to him and his fellow killjoys.


14 posted on 06/06/2014 3:56:25 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: markomalley

I’ve always wondered what the reason was for all my problems. It was that darn Santa Claus thing. Dang my parents!

O.o


15 posted on 06/06/2014 4:00:51 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: markomalley

Surely the man contradicts himself - his autobiography is entitled “an appetite for wonder” and yet he advocates scepticism and rationality, neither of which are particularly conducive to generating “wonder”.


16 posted on 06/06/2014 4:02:11 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: markomalley

Let’s see... parents tell kids there is a Santa Claus... as the kids grow older, they begin to notice contradictory evidence. They then form a hypothesis about the existence of Santa Claus, and test it through observation. Eventually, the evidence leads them to determine that their parents are actually playing the role of Santa Clause.

It sounds like a good introduction to the scientific method, to me.


17 posted on 06/06/2014 4:07:21 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Vanders9
yet he advocates scepticism and rationality, neither of which are particularly conducive to generating “wonder”.

I disagree. I'm an extremely rational and logical person, who must be convinced of everything through solid evidence before I accept it as real. Yet I find wonder in the world all around me. The world contains plenty of material that captures the imagination.

18 posted on 06/06/2014 4:12:35 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: markomalley

Santa Claus certainly does exist. And he exists whether people believe it or not. He was a bishop in southern region of Turkey in the 400 s the fifth century

He took pity on children of poor families and gave them money anonymously

He was canonized ( after his death) As a saint catholics believe that he continues to take special care of, especially, people and petitions which are in his patronage ie children and sailors and monetary difficulties

He lived before the Orthodoxy and the Roman Catholic Church split so he is recognized in Orthodox Church as well

He continues to help at Christmas and his legend of coming through the chimney exists as he actuAlly does infuse the atmosphere with miracles, from God, to whom he and all saints, petition

I believe it’s where all mothers get energy and finances to properly present Jesus’ charity to kids and fathers the grace, energy and willingness to go along with setting up the house putting together toys etc

He existed long before the Brit poet personified him as santa and before corporations used him to sell stuff

His image in Europe is of a bishop not the fat jolly guy, who is just fine, in doses

Little kids understand mystery vey well and that is how they learn about the world. They learn faith early on in the mystery stage where they can get a sense of control and to take advantage of their way of learning is the opposite of abuse and lying. It is forming them in the belief of Jesus at the level they can learn it

St Nick is there to help that. As Jesus is there for all kids so is st Nick

As they get older they figure out the big guy doesn’t come through the chimney but that’s when they figure out the reality of a lot of their faantasies

But it is not a lie. Santa exists. Go to a gift store or a book store Christmas Eve and you can feel it. The place is full of men praying they get it right and have enough money


20 posted on 06/06/2014 4:20:40 AM PDT by stanne
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To: markomalley
Dawkins suggested it was 'pernicious to instil in a child the view that the world is shaped by supernaturalism.'

So he doesn't want them hearing about Wiccans, global warming, socialism, Barack 0bama's exceptional competency, and other liberal myths?

21 posted on 06/06/2014 4:23:38 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Please excuse the potholes in this tagline. Social programs have to take priority in our funding.)
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To: mkmensinger
"CS Lewis used to pulverize guys like Dawkins in debate all the time."

Funny that you mention Lewis. When I saw the thread title, my first thought was of the Christmas ban in Narnia. It did not turn out well for Jadis...


22 posted on 06/06/2014 4:26:59 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: markomalley

But I bet he would have no issue with show kids video of a bunch of homos kissing each other.


23 posted on 06/06/2014 4:29:14 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: JudyinCanada

Sillyness is a good thing.
I find people aren’t silly enough these days. Everyone seems so serious and concerned and earnest, even to the smallest kids. Glee and foolishness while relating to little children, and even big ones, is right and proper.


24 posted on 06/06/2014 4:38:03 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: stanne

Houbout we ban STOOOOPID!


25 posted on 06/06/2014 4:52:53 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: markomalley
Richard Dawkins who warned an audience at the Cheltenham Science Festival about the dangers of make-believe.

It's okay to play make-believe by castrating a little boy whose parents have convinced him that he wants to pretend to be female, and putting him on estrogen for life, but it's not okay to draw his attention to the birth of Jesus Christ? I can see why the typical leftist would take that position, but I can't see how a loving parent could believe it.

26 posted on 06/06/2014 4:52:59 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: markomalley

Yes, like it damaged all of us who believed in Santa./S

STOP with this insanity already!


27 posted on 06/06/2014 4:54:50 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: stanne

See the book “Santa, are you for real?” by Harold Myra.

The Bishop referenced in the post is the Bishop of Myra - Santa Claus


28 posted on 06/06/2014 5:03:49 AM PDT by BigOrangeI (The Constitution says "promote the general welfare" NOT provide the general welfare.)
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To: Leo Carpathian

Defense of faith always carries the risk of being ridiculed, so that’s not a big problem. But just to state the truth, belief in the sprit of Christmas is not stupid. It might be to you, but it’s stupid to get in and ruin it for kids.


29 posted on 06/06/2014 5:05:58 AM PDT by stanne
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To: BigOrangeI

Good, I will.


30 posted on 06/06/2014 5:06:34 AM PDT by stanne
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To: markomalley

And, by the way, looking at the article, fairy tales are the basis for just about every good and memorable story, as formula.


31 posted on 06/06/2014 5:08:06 AM PDT by stanne
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To: markomalley
the appeal of fairytales lay in their magic but believes they may be causing more harm than we think.

Could have some validity.

Just look at what happened to America when the idiots fell for Barack Obama and his Hopey-Changie fairytales.....

/s


32 posted on 06/06/2014 5:09:20 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Black skin has morphed into Teflon.)
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To: samtheman

Very true!

The interesting little tidbit on atheists is that they have a religion too (they’ll never admit to it—but if you look close enough, there it is).

Atheists worship the Satanic God of SELF.


33 posted on 06/06/2014 5:21:33 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: markomalley

These lefties are the same ones who believe in Barack Obama, and global warming....talk about myths harming children....sheeeeeesh!


34 posted on 06/06/2014 5:27:58 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: markomalley

As a Christian, I agree with Dawkins that the myth of Santa Claus can be harmful to children.


35 posted on 06/06/2014 5:33:32 AM PDT by impimp
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To: ilovesarah2012

Christmas is safe. Way, way too much money to be made for a liberal crackpot to eradicate.


36 posted on 06/06/2014 5:35:04 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: markomalley

although I like most others love Christmas, I have often questioned whether it’s a good thing to associate a lie with the greatest truth in history. I sometimes wonder if children will come to the conclusion that Christ is a fairytale just like Santa, that parents lie to kids about for their own good.


37 posted on 06/06/2014 5:39:25 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: markomalley

finding out that mom and dad were santa clause never ruined my world. in fact, it gave me a deeper appreciation and love for who they were and the sacrifices they made for our family.


38 posted on 06/06/2014 5:42:30 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: markomalley

Should we ban Christmas?

NO

Denying the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem?


39 posted on 06/06/2014 5:48:29 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: stanne

Oh geez. Yes Santa is real, but not the way you described. If you look at history, you will see the stories of Santa and his elves, and they start looking suspiciously like something else.

Jesus doesn’t need any help, he’s Jesus. He’s our intercessor, he’s the one who was born as a man and later died for our sins. A lot of this other stuff is designed to distract from that. I know many won’t agree with me, but I choose to follow God’s word, not some concocted stories.


40 posted on 06/06/2014 5:52:01 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: markomalley

Easter is being replaced by Earth Day. Christmas is being replaced by the Winter Solstice. Washington’s Birthday and Lincoln’s Birthday was replaced by Presidents Day. Other outrages are being perpetrated—reader discretion advised.


41 posted on 06/06/2014 5:54:18 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Bulwyf

History shows santas helpers? Where?

No


42 posted on 06/06/2014 6:01:51 AM PDT by stanne
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To: icwhatudo

wouldn’t we love to see the ghost of Christmas past and see what little Dick Hawkins did on Christmas morning when he was 6 years old?


43 posted on 06/06/2014 6:05:25 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: stanne
It might be to you, but it’s stupid to get in and ruin it for kids.

Sorry, I meant to ban stupid people who are bothered by anything Christian. Anyone with speck of intelligence knows that Jesus was sent to save us, we even calculate our calendar based on His birth Anno Domine - 2014 AD.

44 posted on 06/06/2014 6:07:21 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: napscoordinator

I will always remember my family home as a place where as a child, I went to bed on Christmas Eve believing that magic would occur. I was never disappointed. It is a good memory. Of course I wanted my kids to have the same.


45 posted on 06/06/2014 6:08:35 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: markomalley

This guy obviously does not have children, as little children play make believe all the time. To quash this would stunt their growth and creativity.


46 posted on 06/06/2014 6:09:38 AM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: Leo Carpathian

Just always ready for flames when I talk about Catholics’ beliefs.


47 posted on 06/06/2014 6:11:02 AM PDT by stanne
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To: markomalley

And here it is June 6th. Go watch some old film of men bravely storming the beaches of Normandy to free people of other nations. I bet every one of those men was told “the myth” of Santa Claus as a child.


48 posted on 06/06/2014 6:12:03 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Bulwyf

I’m just stating the catholic belief. Many people interpret that to be bossy and lecturing. I’m just stating facts as facts and beliefs as beliefs. No one is saying you have to believe the the same beliefs.

Santa is a saint, that’s what ‘santa’ means. He was a catholic bishop

Some people hate hearing about saints so I always expect to get flamed

Just talking about the origin of Saint Nick that’s all

I don’t care if you believe it or if you don’t. But it’s strange how people feel so free to put down Catholicism. No other belief system comes upon such flamery here. I don’t know why people care so much that they need to put it down. But they do it


49 posted on 06/06/2014 6:23:00 AM PDT by stanne
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To: markomalley

This wouldn’t be worth posting except for the fact that there are plenty of folks who would take this nut-case seriously.


Yes but maybe we should put an age limit on fairy tales.

We can agree on an age 12,15, 20 or 30, 40 when we should let these children know that there is no one going to come down the chimney to bring them every thing their hearts desire.

We should also awaken them to the fact that the story of David and Goliath was something that happened in Biblical history and is not just another : Alice in wonderland : fairy tale.


50 posted on 06/06/2014 6:23:24 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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