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Posted on 06/06/2014 3:33:04 AM PDT by markomalley
Fairy tales and believing in Father Christmas could cause children harm.
This is according to controversial biologist Richard Dawkins who warned an audience at the Cheltenham Science Festival about the dangers of make-believe.
In typically incendiary style, Dawkins suggested it was 'pernicious to instil in a child the view that the world is shaped by supernaturalism.'
The 73-year-old acknowledged that the appeal of fairytales lay in their magic but believes they may be causing more harm than we think.
He also questioned whether we should let children believe in the myth of Father Christmas at all.
'Is it a good thing to go along with the fantasy of childhood?,' he said. 'Or should we be fostering a spirit of scepticism?.'
Speaking about his autobiography An Appetite for Wonder, childhood formed a large part of the talk as he recalled his first eight years growing up in Africa.
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This wouldn't be worth posting except for the fact that there are plenty of folks who would take this nut-case seriously.
Every morning I wake up and every morning the world has gone a little more insane.
Richard Dawkins is such a sad little man. All I can say is...Lighten up Francis
It’s a Marxist idea, don’tcha know?
More evidence for the theory that atheists know perfectly well there is a God and they are furious with Him.
CS Lewis used to pulverize guys like Dawkins in debate all the time. It’s a shame he’s not around anymore, or someone like him.
Some Christians believe this.....a good friend of mine refused to allow his kids to believe in Santa. They didn’t want to lie to the kids. Ugh! They still celebrated Christmas but the presents came from the parents and Christmas was focused on the birth of Christ and not Santa Claus. My family celebrates both. My 16 year old doesn’t believe anymore, but would NEVER speak of it because he knows that Santa won’t bring gifts anymore. lol.
I don’t know how much damage is done - that sounds a little far-fetched.
I always told my kids the truth. We never did the whole Santa routine, or the tooth fairy, or anything else. I just figured that I’d want them to be able to believe me, so I didn’t bother with such sillyness.
An atheist who is obsessed with religion isn’t an atheist.
I stopped believing in Santa Clause when I was 8 or 9. My mom always told us that when we stopped believing, Santa would stop bringing presents. We had no long-lasting psychological damage as far as I can tell. Dawkins may be intelligent, but he’s an idiot.
You are right. I was the oldest so in order to insist that I keep my big mouth shut my parents told us the same thing. My son 16 has 3 siblings and I want them to “believe” for as long as possible. It just makes it nicer in my opinion. We definitely focus on the Birth of Christ, but we also celebrate the spirit of Santa Claus who was a Christian himself. I think they both can work together.
Santa Claus serves many purposes. First, he brings joy and love into children’s lives. Then as children grow older, they learn that he doesn’t exist - which is a soft introduction to the disappoints that a child will face later in life. In other words, Santa Claus builds character. To deny a child that experience is to create soft, prissy children - which may exactly be what leftists want.
Dawkins is a true fool.
Dunno. In a way, the story of Santa kinda prepares them for the real world. I.E. America is a democracy where citizens enjoy freedom. Surprise!
Love Santa and love Christ! Like most atheists, Dawkins is determined to take all the beauty and joy out of life. A real killjoy! Bah, humbug to him and his fellow killjoys.
I’ve always wondered what the reason was for all my problems. It was that darn Santa Claus thing. Dang my parents!
Surely the man contradicts himself - his autobiography is entitled “an appetite for wonder” and yet he advocates scepticism and rationality, neither of which are particularly conducive to generating “wonder”.
Let’s see... parents tell kids there is a Santa Claus... as the kids grow older, they begin to notice contradictory evidence. They then form a hypothesis about the existence of Santa Claus, and test it through observation. Eventually, the evidence leads them to determine that their parents are actually playing the role of Santa Clause.
It sounds like a good introduction to the scientific method, to me.
I disagree. I'm an extremely rational and logical person, who must be convinced of everything through solid evidence before I accept it as real. Yet I find wonder in the world all around me. The world contains plenty of material that captures the imagination.
Santa Claus certainly does exist. And he exists whether people believe it or not. He was a bishop in southern region of Turkey in the 400 s the fifth century
He took pity on children of poor families and gave them money anonymously
He was canonized ( after his death) As a saint catholics believe that he continues to take special care of, especially, people and petitions which are in his patronage ie children and sailors and monetary difficulties
He lived before the Orthodoxy and the Roman Catholic Church split so he is recognized in Orthodox Church as well
He continues to help at Christmas and his legend of coming through the chimney exists as he actuAlly does infuse the atmosphere with miracles, from God, to whom he and all saints, petition
I believe it’s where all mothers get energy and finances to properly present Jesus’ charity to kids and fathers the grace, energy and willingness to go along with setting up the house putting together toys etc
He existed long before the Brit poet personified him as santa and before corporations used him to sell stuff
His image in Europe is of a bishop not the fat jolly guy, who is just fine, in doses
Little kids understand mystery vey well and that is how they learn about the world. They learn faith early on in the mystery stage where they can get a sense of control and to take advantage of their way of learning is the opposite of abuse and lying. It is forming them in the belief of Jesus at the level they can learn it
St Nick is there to help that. As Jesus is there for all kids so is st Nick
As they get older they figure out the big guy doesn’t come through the chimney but that’s when they figure out the reality of a lot of their faantasies
But it is not a lie. Santa exists. Go to a gift store or a book store Christmas Eve and you can feel it. The place is full of men praying they get it right and have enough money
So he doesn't want them hearing about Wiccans, global warming, socialism, Barack 0bama's exceptional competency, and other liberal myths?
Funny that you mention Lewis. When I saw the thread title, my first thought was of the Christmas ban in Narnia. It did not turn out well for Jadis...
But I bet he would have no issue with show kids video of a bunch of homos kissing each other.
Sillyness is a good thing.
I find people aren’t silly enough these days. Everyone seems so serious and concerned and earnest, even to the smallest kids. Glee and foolishness while relating to little children, and even big ones, is right and proper.
Houbout we ban STOOOOPID!
It's okay to play make-believe by castrating a little boy whose parents have convinced him that he wants to pretend to be female, and putting him on estrogen for life, but it's not okay to draw his attention to the birth of Jesus Christ? I can see why the typical leftist would take that position, but I can't see how a loving parent could believe it.
Yes, like it damaged all of us who believed in Santa./S
STOP with this insanity already!
See the book “Santa, are you for real?” by Harold Myra.
The Bishop referenced in the post is the Bishop of Myra - Santa Claus
Defense of faith always carries the risk of being ridiculed, so that’s not a big problem. But just to state the truth, belief in the sprit of Christmas is not stupid. It might be to you, but it’s stupid to get in and ruin it for kids.
Good, I will.
And, by the way, looking at the article, fairy tales are the basis for just about every good and memorable story, as formula.
Could have some validity.
Just look at what happened to America when the idiots fell for Barack Obama and his Hopey-Changie fairytales.....
The interesting little tidbit on atheists is that they have a religion too (they’ll never admit to it—but if you look close enough, there it is).
Atheists worship the Satanic God of SELF.
These lefties are the same ones who believe in Barack Obama, and global warming....talk about myths harming children....sheeeeeesh!
As a Christian, I agree with Dawkins that the myth of Santa Claus can be harmful to children.
Christmas is safe. Way, way too much money to be made for a liberal crackpot to eradicate.
although I like most others love Christmas, I have often questioned whether it’s a good thing to associate a lie with the greatest truth in history. I sometimes wonder if children will come to the conclusion that Christ is a fairytale just like Santa, that parents lie to kids about for their own good.
finding out that mom and dad were santa clause never ruined my world. in fact, it gave me a deeper appreciation and love for who they were and the sacrifices they made for our family.
Should we ban Christmas?
Denying the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem?
Oh geez. Yes Santa is real, but not the way you described. If you look at history, you will see the stories of Santa and his elves, and they start looking suspiciously like something else.
Jesus doesn’t need any help, he’s Jesus. He’s our intercessor, he’s the one who was born as a man and later died for our sins. A lot of this other stuff is designed to distract from that. I know many won’t agree with me, but I choose to follow God’s word, not some concocted stories.
Easter is being replaced by Earth Day. Christmas is being replaced by the Winter Solstice. Washington’s Birthday and Lincoln’s Birthday was replaced by Presidents Day. Other outrages are being perpetrated—reader discretion advised.
History shows santas helpers? Where?
wouldn’t we love to see the ghost of Christmas past and see what little Dick Hawkins did on Christmas morning when he was 6 years old?
Sorry, I meant to ban stupid people who are bothered by anything Christian. Anyone with speck of intelligence knows that Jesus was sent to save us, we even calculate our calendar based on His birth Anno Domine - 2014 AD.
I will always remember my family home as a place where as a child, I went to bed on Christmas Eve believing that magic would occur. I was never disappointed. It is a good memory. Of course I wanted my kids to have the same.
This guy obviously does not have children, as little children play make believe all the time. To quash this would stunt their growth and creativity.
Just always ready for flames when I talk about Catholics’ beliefs.
And here it is June 6th. Go watch some old film of men bravely storming the beaches of Normandy to free people of other nations. I bet every one of those men was told “the myth” of Santa Claus as a child.
I’m just stating the catholic belief. Many people interpret that to be bossy and lecturing. I’m just stating facts as facts and beliefs as beliefs. No one is saying you have to believe the the same beliefs.
Santa is a saint, that’s what ‘santa’ means. He was a catholic bishop
Some people hate hearing about saints so I always expect to get flamed
Just talking about the origin of Saint Nick that’s all
I don’t care if you believe it or if you don’t. But it’s strange how people feel so free to put down Catholicism. No other belief system comes upon such flamery here. I don’t know why people care so much that they need to put it down. But they do it
This wouldn’t be worth posting except for the fact that there are plenty of folks who would take this nut-case seriously.
We can agree on an age 12,15, 20 or 30, 40 when we should let these children know that there is no one going to come down the chimney to bring them every thing their hearts desire.
We should also awaken them to the fact that the story of David and Goliath was something that happened in Biblical history and is not just another : Alice in wonderland : fairy tale.