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Even Major Hollywood Studios are Leaving California
FrontPage Mag ^ | 06/06/2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 06/06/2014 7:56:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

When Hollywood leaves Hollywood, you know things are bad.

Sony Pictures Imageworks is moving its headquarters from Culver City to Canada.

The visual-effects unit, which employs about 270 people, said it was moving a bulk of its operations to Vancouver, where it already has a satellite studio, the Los Angeles Times reported.

A small staff will remain in Los Angeles. The move will cut costs due to Canadian tax breaks, the Times said.

For the moment this is just the visual effects unit, but considering how much filming is done abroad, it’s not a good sign.

Movies are going where the tax credits are. Canada is already tied with California.

California produced 68 percent of the top 25 movies at the worldwide box office in 1997. In 2013, it was down to eight percent. Of the 26 live-action films with production budgets over $100 million, just two — “The Hangover Part III” and “Star Trek: Into Darkness” — were filmed primarily in California.

Los Angeles however won’t be getting the sequel as LA proved too expensive for Darkness’ budget.

If California loses the film industry and pushes out non-Green energy companies, it’s going to be left with the tech industry and a giant welfare state that the tech industry will flee.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; exodus; filmindustry; hollywood

1 posted on 06/06/2014 7:56:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve enjoyed a lot of TV programs and films that came out of Canada over the past 20 or so years.


2 posted on 06/06/2014 7:58:23 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Amazing that these liberals who run Hollywood, will seek out tax breaks and other incentives from other places. Why don’t they stay put in L.A. and pay the high taxes which liberals love others to pay????


3 posted on 06/06/2014 7:58:38 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think California should pass a law mandating that they cannot leave California.

Have these studios ever received taxpayer subsidies? Regardless, these are the same yahoos who claim they want more taxes and they hate Republicans. They should be forced, under compulsion of law, to now eat the sandwich they worked hard to create!


4 posted on 06/06/2014 7:58:55 AM PDT by Obadiah (Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, their work is done. Now they can wreck another state.


5 posted on 06/06/2014 8:02:03 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Leftist policy makers think the tax base is carved in stone. Wrong!
6 posted on 06/06/2014 8:08:14 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

7 posted on 06/06/2014 8:11:41 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

When Canada offers a superior tax and business climate, you know you’ve got problems.


8 posted on 06/06/2014 8:12:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Even the movie “Battle: Los Angeles” was filmed in another LA....LA - the two-letter state abbreviation for Louisiana.


9 posted on 06/06/2014 8:13:19 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, I hope they don’t come to TEXAS!


10 posted on 06/06/2014 8:15:01 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: SeekAndFind

Sony animators are going to Vancouver, the visual development and other personnel are staying in LA.

“For qualified visual effects or animation work done in B.C., the combined provincial and federal tax credits can amount to 58.42 per cent of the wages, salaries and remuneration paid to B.C. residents.”

“I think it’s a race to the bottom,” said Mr. Lay, adding work is now moving to Montreal because of incentives there. “So it’s going to be a matter of time until even British Columbia is not going to be able to keep up the pace of paying 60 per cent of people’s salaries. And then when that decline happens, you’re going to see another … cycle of displacement. We’re against having taxpayers pay for movies for U.S. producers who are down in L.A. and are very, very rich.”


11 posted on 06/06/2014 8:18:51 AM PDT by Andyman (The truth shall make you FReep.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Absolutely correct. These people helped to create and maintain an
incomplete picture of California. They support Jerry Brown and pour
cash into his coffers while the big business hating Brown does all
he can to run commerce out of the state.

The movie industry was a great asset to the state at one time but not
so much anymore. As far as I am concerned Hollywood can leave
and take most remaining actors with it. Take the name, too.
In the mean time things around FR would improve somewhat if
our many FReeper friends would resist the liberal tactic of painting all
Californians with the same brush. We actually have numerically
more conservatives in California than most states. Unfortunately
we still find ourselves outnumbered.


12 posted on 06/06/2014 8:48:56 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Sivad

That’s an FR thing. I’m in NYC and I get hell every other day. They have no use for conservatives who live in liberal areas. I don’t know why because it’s much harder to live in these areas - and it takes a lot of stamina to do so!


13 posted on 06/06/2014 8:54:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Over thousands of years, people left what they had to seek something more, oppression ect. Conservatives today can do likewise. No material goods are worth ones sanity, pride and family.

Normie - Now in AZ, who sold/left everything to leave NY. And is far better for it. It can be done.


14 posted on 06/06/2014 9:04:07 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Some of us are stuck here because of family obligations. I know I am. And why not stay and fight? I fight every day with libs here.


15 posted on 06/06/2014 9:07:18 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Well, thats your choice. As to why not stay and fight? Because sometimes even the greatest Generals have to recognize their hill can no longer be held. And considering the election results in NY going harder left by the year, it would seem that your tax dollars are only helping them. not your intent I know. But without the conservative income, Liberal NY would crash and burn.

I had my own family obligations. I moved them with me. It royally sucked for a couple years for us. But it was ultimately worth it. No one said it would be easy and it wasn’t. But if people can flee Europe with bare money for a boat ticket, the Average American can relocate even the sickest family member if he tries.


16 posted on 06/06/2014 9:18:07 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You can stop the lecture now. I’m not real good at listening to lectures from people I don’t know and who don’t know me.


17 posted on 06/06/2014 9:19:48 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Obadiah

The last government I heard that did what you suggest is headquartered in Caracas, Venezuela. How would you forbid them for leaving? Passing laws does not mean they’re enforceable or—wait for it—legal. You are suggesting the tactics of the pressy president, Barack Obama, himself.


18 posted on 06/06/2014 9:20:40 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: miss marmelstein

I actually had a FReeper from Conn tell me I need to leave California.
No, we and others are on the front lines or behind the lines as the
case may be. If I can correct a misinformed lost lib then I feel
successful. Our FR detractors paint us all with a broad brush and spend
the rest of their time preaching to the choir.


19 posted on 06/06/2014 9:22:47 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Sivad
How dare somebody from Connecticut criticize you! I remember when it was a solid Republican state. Now it's full of lib nuts. I must admit, when people start intoning "about the last 1,000 years" I get a bit snarky. It's my NY personality!
20 posted on 06/06/2014 9:29:38 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: righttackle44
Um, it was a tongue-in-cheek comment. The point being if the liberals want everyone to live by the sword of their governing philosophy, then they too should perish by it and not be allowed to escape the misery they have wrought upon everyone else.
21 posted on 06/06/2014 9:30:14 AM PDT by Obadiah (Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hollywood Studios are Leaving California.

I like the sound of that but pity the people where they land.


22 posted on 06/06/2014 9:39:40 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: miss marmelstein

It’s not a lecture. It wasn’t intended as one. But it is true.


23 posted on 06/06/2014 9:43:19 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Everyone hates California, and would love for it be true that the film and TV business is fleeing, but it isn’t.

Sony Studios is the old MGM. They have 16 stages. They’re booked constantly. They moved a few hundred people whose jobs are done on computers? They still employ thousands in Culver City.

It also indicates that maybe Sony felt it could sub out effects work rather than run their own shop. Shipping it off to Canada is a way to lay off a bunch of people who aren’t willing to move without the PR headache of firing a bunch of industry pros who make a lot of money.

Every single major motion picture company, broadcast network, and major cable network is located within 25 miles of each other in Los Angeles.

Try booking stage space in LA. It’s impossible.

Keep hoping for the collapse of California, haters. I don’t understand all the hand rubbing and glee directed at the greatest state in the union, but whatever. It’s a gorgeous day here today. Still got ice, Michigan? You’ve also got a movie studio sitting empty your taxpayers built.


24 posted on 06/06/2014 10:28:06 AM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: SeekAndFind

Psych


25 posted on 06/06/2014 11:43:39 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Blue Ink

How does a movie cost $100 or $200 or $250 million?
You think they were still using film with silver in it.


26 posted on 06/06/2014 11:59:55 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: SeekAndFind

Typical liberals: Foul your nest and leave. It’s what they did when they left the Least Coast for California in the first place since in the ‘30s.


27 posted on 06/06/2014 12:12:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: minnesota_bound

There are lots of reasons. One is that movie and television production is a high wage industry, even on a non-union production.

Another is that while technology advances have made the product better — you can get a camera at Best Buy good enough to shoot a TV show — you still need two skilled operators to use it. The cost of that labor and the basic size of a crew never goes down.

Also studios have enormous overhead. The costs to run them are spread out over every single movie and TV show the studio produces. That comes right out of the budget for a given film.

Marketing a film isn’t visible in the final product, but it’s incredibly expensive, and comes out of the film’s budget.

Comic book films are expensive because they rely heavily on computer effects. Effects are cheaper to do on a computer than they used to be... But they take a long time, paying high wages to skilled operators. You can shoot a film in a few months; you can be in post production making guys fly for a year or two.

There are lots of reasons for films costing a hundred million dollars, but those are some of the big ones.


28 posted on 06/06/2014 1:01:56 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink

I thought it was the cost of the cocaine and hookers that drove up the cost..... :)


29 posted on 06/06/2014 1:59:13 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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