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Vermont gun importer lays off 41, blames rules ( World War II-era M1 Garand rifles )
ap ^ | 6/6/2014 | WILSON RING

Posted on 06/06/2014 10:38:08 AM PDT by george76

A Vermont gun importer is blaming the White House for its laying off of 41 workers because the government blocked its plan to bring nearly $30 million worth of antique, American-made military rifles home from South Korea... Century International Arms to re-import the World War II-era M1 Garand rifles ..

This importation was denied despite our explaining that the denial would harm the company and pointing out that there is no rational, gun-control reason to block the importation of these historic, 70-year-old firearms

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the South Korean government had been given preliminary approval for the deal last year and the departments of State, Defense and Justice had signed off on it.

(Excerpt) Read more at 710knus.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Florida; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol; guns; m1garand; m1garandrifles; obama; obots; rifles; rkba; secondamendment
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1 posted on 06/06/2014 10:38:08 AM PDT by george76
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The repeatedly stated reason for denying the import of M1 Garands was straight from the Brady campaign.
They claim the rifles take a high capacity magazine...
The denial of import has been hanging around since 2009.

Reminds me of the poem “Pigs is pigs”.


2 posted on 06/06/2014 10:41:08 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: george76

Infuriating


3 posted on 06/06/2014 10:41:36 AM PDT by servantoftheservant
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To: Darksheare

A five-round internal magazine (IIRC) is now considered high capacity??? On what planet?


4 posted on 06/06/2014 10:48:37 AM PDT by Bob
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To: george76

The term “rational, gun-control reason” is an oxymoron.


5 posted on 06/06/2014 10:48:53 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: Bob

Eight rounds, but yeah.


6 posted on 06/06/2014 10:49:27 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: george76

Great news on the anniversary of D-Day.


7 posted on 06/06/2014 10:50:54 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: george76

‘antique’?


8 posted on 06/06/2014 10:51:20 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Disharmonious & Unmutual)
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To: george76

SK should have sold them in 2008 back to the US when Bush was Pres.


9 posted on 06/06/2014 10:52:52 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: george76

Without the 8 round clip they are single shot rifles.


10 posted on 06/06/2014 10:57:22 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (2016 an election or a coronation of a Queen? I'm sure we'll be told to eat cake.)
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To: Bob

On planet Brady actually.
8 round clip is considered a “High capacity magazine”.
That was the reason the State Department gave for denying the import of these rifles in 2009.


11 posted on 06/06/2014 10:58:57 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: george76

Bang!
Bang!
Bang!
Bang!
Bang!
Bang!
Bang!
Bang!
PING!


12 posted on 06/06/2014 10:59:08 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: george76
The Brady bunch has a goal of eliminating all privately owned firearms whether semi-auto, bolt action, breech loading, or muzzle loading.
13 posted on 06/06/2014 11:04:35 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Darksheare

And why the Governor of New York, Il Duce Cuomo, limited magazines to hold a maximum of seven,........ till the courts found out there were no Seven Clip Magazines currently manufactured in the US.


14 posted on 06/06/2014 11:06:07 AM PDT by BilLies (sharyl attkisson is alive and well HOORAY!!!!!)
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To: george76
Well, you do see gang bangers packing these everywhere.
15 posted on 06/06/2014 11:07:09 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: george76
One of the truly great rifles of all time. Handsome, too.


16 posted on 06/06/2014 11:07:34 AM PDT by DemforBush (A repo man is always intense.)
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To: SolidRedState
Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! PING!

"OK, gimme the next clip! Yeah, here we go, down in there and OWWWW! MY THUMB!!"

17 posted on 06/06/2014 11:08:09 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: george76

Not suprising at all; and, pretty important that they prevent such imports:

These are very good, long range rifles, easily hitting the _riflemans_quarter_mile_ when used by a true rifleman. What they hit, they take out.


18 posted on 06/06/2014 11:08:23 AM PDT by veracious
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To: Hugin

Thanks for the correction. While I was almost sure that the stripper clips (That is the correct term, isn’t it?) I’d seen only held five rounds, I’ve personally never fired an M1. I may have been thinking of the ‘03 bolt action Springfield from WWI.


19 posted on 06/06/2014 11:09:21 AM PDT by Bob
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To: BilLies

Yup.
Sfacim II is quite a winner.


20 posted on 06/06/2014 11:16:33 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Bob

A little OT but I have a request for some advice. I’ve been seriously considering getting a rifle chambered in .308/7.62 because I’d rather get something a little longer range and more powerful than a .223/5.56. I’ve already got a medium range .357 lever action rifle, so I want something a bit bigger. I’m really leaning toward the M1A (M14) with a decent scope. I know it’s a bit heavy and I’m gladly willing to accept that. Anybody have any pros/cons on the M1A?


21 posted on 06/06/2014 11:19:34 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Bob

I think there are 5 round clips to make them legal for big game.


22 posted on 06/06/2014 11:23:03 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi

And a 2 round for competition


23 posted on 06/06/2014 11:36:24 AM PDT by Plain Old American (Remember who said what; Remind those who don't Remember; Vote and take a friend to the polls)
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To: MileHi
I think there are 5 round clips to make them legal for big game.

Nope! The loading device in this case really is a clip as apposed to a magazine. It has no bottom and no spring. The eight rounds are held in the clip by the presence of all eight rounds. Once a single round is removed from the clip the rest will fall out.

24 posted on 06/06/2014 11:36:41 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Bob

The MI Garand has an internal 8 round clip.


25 posted on 06/06/2014 11:40:26 AM PDT by cpdiii
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To: circlecity
Anybody have any pros/cons on the M1A?

The M1A is a fine rifle. I have one, and it shoots straight and operates reliably. I am very fond of it.

I also have a DPMS AR-10, which shoots the same ammo. It is pretty heavy but a pure pleasure to shoot.

If you want a weapon that makes you and others drool, get a Belgium made FN LAR.

If you are like me, being unable to decide clearly means you need them all.

26 posted on 06/06/2014 11:43:49 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: SolidRedState
Garand t-shirt...
27 posted on 06/06/2014 11:45:42 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: george76

Aside from this, the fact remains that Century built guns are often *terrible*. This probably had something to do with it; Century weapons are often referred to as being assembled by ‘angry drunken monkeys.’


28 posted on 06/06/2014 11:48:16 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: DemforBush

Yeah she was a Beauty. spend some time with her on the range, make note of
her shot patterns and you have a a trusty beauty as well.
But she would get heavier with each mile on a long march.
I Do wish I had her back now.


29 posted on 06/06/2014 11:51:06 AM PDT by Pompah
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Patton stated this to be the finest combat foot soldiers rifle of all time. Something like that.

I would love one. Trained with one in boot camp in 1971. Shot the M16 at the range for ribbies but used the M1 for drills and training.


30 posted on 06/06/2014 11:51:30 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: reg45

So we need a goal of effectively eliminating any action by the Brady bunch. How can people be so stupid?


31 posted on 06/06/2014 11:55:29 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Pompah
But she would get heavier with each mile on a long march.

When we got our M-14s in basic everybody was excited. I was the first to observe that now we have to carry these things everywhere.

32 posted on 06/06/2014 11:59:17 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Bob

My Remmington deer rifle holds 5 rounds in a detachable box magazine. Banning the re-importation of the M-1 based on magazine capacity is a joke.


33 posted on 06/06/2014 12:02:37 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: GingisK
Nope! The loading device in this case really is a clip as apposed to a magazine. It has no bottom and no spring. The eight rounds are held in the clip by the presence of all eight rounds. Once a single round is removed from the clip the rest will fall out.

Five-round en-bloc clip for M-1 Garand

Two-round en-bloc clip for M-1 Garand.

34 posted on 06/06/2014 12:06:38 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: GingisK

Yep! They do.


35 posted on 06/06/2014 12:12:28 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: veracious

Sounds like they would be an effective zombie defense tool,
since the zombies tend to just have “sideways pistols”,
the Garand would easily get them outside their range.


36 posted on 06/06/2014 12:14:49 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: circlecity

I second the recommendation on the AR-10. If you want to spend a few extra bucks, check out the Ruger SR-762, I think that’s what it’s called.


37 posted on 06/06/2014 12:32:10 PM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: MileHi; IYAS9YAS
Yep! They do.

Well, I'll be dipped in s%#t!

38 posted on 06/06/2014 12:57:18 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Spktyr
Aside from this, the fact remains that Century built guns are often *terrible*.

This fact bears amplification.

I bought two L1A1s from Century; and, neither one can feed from a perfectly good magazine. After $250 gunsmithing they still can't feed. Do not buy anyhing from Century Arms.

39 posted on 06/06/2014 1:00:42 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Bob
Garands use en block clips that stay in the magazine until the cartridges have been expended. Stripper clips, as used in Mausers and copycats, are removed after the cartridges have been forced into the magazine. Detachable box magazines, on an AR for example, can also be loaded from stripper clips.
40 posted on 06/06/2014 1:15:03 PM PDT by kitchen (Even the walls have ears.)
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To: Bob

Ir’s an eight round magazine. I trained with one in ROTC in 1963.


41 posted on 06/06/2014 1:15:30 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: circlecity

Many years ago in Officers’ Basic at Ft. Lee, VA, I shot Expert with an M14. Sweetest shooting large bore rifle I ever fired. Later I bought a M1A in 1986. You can’t go wrong with one as long as you’re willing to pop for the initial price of about $1,200.


42 posted on 06/06/2014 1:20:38 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: kitchen

Does the ‘03 Springfield use a stripper clip? If so, that’s what I was confusing with the M1. Obviously, rifles are not my area of expertise when it comes to firearms.


43 posted on 06/06/2014 1:34:04 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Spktyr
Aside from this, the fact remains that Century built guns are often *terrible*.

I have a Century AR-15 that is a tack driver. Never jams no matter how many times I shoot and don't clean it. I reckon even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut.

44 posted on 06/06/2014 1:52:32 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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You may have one of the few good ones they ever made. Other people have had such poorly assembled AR’s from Century that they had kabooms on the first pull of the trigger.

They even manage to screw up what was previously thought to be impossible to screw up - Century has made unusable and non-working AKs!


45 posted on 06/06/2014 2:06:00 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Bob
Yes. The problem with Springfield stripper clips is that the cartridges are retained by the small tabs at each end. These usually break off after a few cycles. If you have originals it's best to keep them as collector pieces and either buy some reproductions in a better metal or investigate the various Mauser stripper clips. As long as the width is close, Mauser clips may work. Proper evaluation for function before relying on substitute parts is prudent.
46 posted on 06/06/2014 2:13:56 PM PDT by kitchen (Even the walls have ears.)
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To: GingisK
Well, I'll be dipped in s%#t!

Did you know that you can load two rounds in a 8-round en-bloc clip for competition purposes? You make an X with them (looking at the clip from the side so one tip points up, the other down), and hold them snug, and you can load them. It works for the 10-round rapid fire sessions for CMP Garand matches. Two rounds, ping, reload, 8 more, ping. It's a beautiful noise!

The two-round demo starts at about 2:50 into this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6_o-5vOm-A

47 posted on 06/06/2014 2:19:20 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: GingisK
Long range precision shooting covered in detail.
79 videos that will guide you through each step in learning how to hit long range targets. 1000+ yards
48 posted on 06/06/2014 3:28:56 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: george76

By denying import approval the weapons will be sold somewhere else, perhaps Sudan to Muslims. Obama will like that, Yes he will !!


49 posted on 06/07/2014 1:21:52 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH
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To: Darksheare

An eight round clip is ‘’high capacity’’?


50 posted on 06/07/2014 6:02:14 PM PDT by jmacusa
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