Skip to comments.Ignore NRA fantasy world: Good guy with pepper spray stops bad guy with gun
Posted on 06/06/2014 5:43:55 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
The gun lovers who preach that arming American citizens to stop even more violence always ignore the fact that Wayne LaPierre was wrong.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, LaPierre, the National Rifle Associations executive vice president, infamously said after a gunman in 2012 killed 20 schoolchildren and six adults in Newtown, Conn.
Yet looked what happened Thursday.
According to police, a student building monitor named Jon Meis used pepper spray to subdue a shooter who had already killed one student and wounded a couple others at Seattle Pacific University in Washington.
Police said the actions by Meis probably saved more lives, because the gunman had extra shotgun shells he could have used after reloading.
In the larger scheme of things, Meis use of pepper spray to halt the killings are at odds with the actual facts of how often a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun.
Basically, it doesnt happen.
Its a fantasy of the NRA and its most ardent gun-rights supporters.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...
The fact is that it still took a weapon to stop a guy with a weapon.
That hasn’t changed.
You just cannot fix either stupid or evil.
If the shooter had a 30 round clip, the guy with the pepper spray would likely be dead before shooter had to reload.
Fair warning; after I drop you I'm going to take your pepper spray, shove it in your wound and empty it while laughing manically about gun control. ;^O
Just not this time.
idiot. I’m holding a shot gun and he has a choice of pepper spray, Colt .45 or another shotgun...I’m so frickin sure he’d pick the pepper spray. dumba## just doesn’t describe him enough.
Why did they bother calling in a bunch of uniformed guys WITH GUNS?
They’re opposed to people walking around with pepper spray too.
manically = maniacally ... ah, heck, you’ll be bleeding out so who cares about semantics!?
Mother Jones? Insightful? Har Har. Need I say more on that?
The left and its never ending misdirection on firearms and the 2nd amendment.
It's NOT about hunting, it's not about protecting yourself from criminals. Those rights are innate givens.
The thing the left refuses to acknowledge and debate is the real reason for 2A. Protecting ourselves from TYRANTS.
Guns are effective protection, deterrent and defense RE crime. But that is irrelevant to 2A. 2A is to protect us from the government. The founders made that very clear. The left refuses to discuss that because an open and free discussion would make it painfully obvious that they are defending tyrants with their attack on your gun rights.
Oh come on. Abouhalkah doesn’t really believe that we don’t need good guys with guns. She would never advocate disarming the police based on her purported theory that good guys don’t need guns. No, she just wants to disarm law abiding citizens and leave guns in the hands of criminals and police. As for her motive, I’ll leave that up to you to figure out.
Yet if police use the same pepper spray to subdue an assailant folks like Yael cry that excessive force was being used. The warped and idiotic thought processes of the left never cease to amaze me.
In a lot of states you have to have a license to carry pepper spray.
LOL. Any piece that references Mother Jones to support its point is by definition moronic. Regardless of the subject.
I rather doubt that. Abouhalkah didn't pass judgement on Meis' use of pepper spray. She doesn't really care about that. She simply doesn't want law abiding citizens to own guns.
The anti-gunners are anti-pepper spray, too.
Yup. Don’t get caught with either a gun or pepper spray in NYC.
It was against school rules for the hero to carry pepper spray. Doing what is right trumps the rules.
I would suspect that the pepper spray guy was violating the law at the college.
Only a Democrat would be stupid enough to think it’s a good idea to take a can of spray to a gun fight.
For the record, the person Abouhalkah is named after killed a man with a weapon other than a gun.
Imagine that, a Muslim who wants to disarm all Americans...
So it’s a good thing he didn’t have a 30 round clip. Glad his lethality was limited by his gear.
Yael doesn’t have an original thought
Just another Affirmative Action Jackson token “journ-O-list”
You can’t fix delusional and stupid.
I apologize for using feminine pronouns when referring to Yael Abouhalkah. Yael is a common female name in Israel, but this particular Yael appears to be male.
Of course it’s very fortunate he did not have a larger capacity weapon. It’s the premise in the article that pepper spray could stop ANY shooter in any situation that is absurd.
Make no mistake, the guy who did stop the shooter with pepper spray is a BRAVE HERO.
If a soldier ever gets into a firefight that lasts longer than five seconds, he’ll curse the day he decided to carry a shotgun into combat.
“Abouhalkah....just wants to disarm law abiding citizens and leave guns in the hands of [Muslims]. As for her motive, Ill leave that up to you to figure out.”
With that name, her motive is that she’s...a muzzie?
Pepper spray works great when the shooter has no rounds in his weapon.
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So far left he/she is probably “transgender”
American citizens to not have to provide justification for exercising a civil right.
Yael Abouhalkah is a male. No idea about his name, but Yael appears in several languages (such as Yale in English).
How much you wanna bet the guy was wishing he had a gun instead of that pepper spray?
Good guys and gals with a .40 Glock is better.
He’s still a muzzie, right?
It’s an Arab name, but I don’t know if it’s Arab Christian.
But in GEORGIA, it took a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun again.
I give the guy with the pepperspray big props, he is a hero, no doubt about it. He’s also very lucky and obviously brave. He and his actions deserve to be rewarded and celebrated.
But with that said, what would have happened if the attacker was one of those who can tolerate irritant sprays, or worse, he was ready for the guy with a backup pistol, knife, or etc.? Thing is, every encounter like this is unique in circumstance, the antis touting the spray as just as effective as firearms, are living in a fantasy world. In this case, the circumstances just happened to be right for the guy to succeed in defeating the attacker.
There’s this odd notion that a summary of a position can be dismissed because, as demonstrated by a single sensible exception/anecdote, the brief summary is not of peer-reviewed encyclopedic completeness.
Yes, by far, it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. That’s why cops carry guns. That someone with pepper spray stopped someone with a gun is a sensible exception to the rule without negating the rule, and does not justify disarming cops and fitting them with Dave’s Insanity Sauce in aerosol form.
Hey Yael, lets test that.
You take the pepper spray, I’ll take the gun.
Let’s see what happens...
And to think that there are conservatives who think the Libs are intellectual, and actually make a living telling us how debating Libs is the only way forward, Hello George Will. Basically I am saying the author of this article is a moron. Heck his fellow mooslim, Major Hassan killed at least one person who tried to disarm him, what about that Alliboobookah?
He was in violation of the order to “hunker down”.
Can’t have civilians going all “superhero” can we?
Yup. Prohibited by the libtards as that college: “13. Possession, use or display on University property of any firearms, weapons, fireworks, live ammunition, incendiary devices, or other items that are potentially hazardous to members of the campus community.”
Pepper spray is definitely potentially hazardous, ergo prohibited.
Off-hand, I can think of three.
There was most definitely the church shooting in CO Springs.
If I remember right, a school shooting in VA or somewhere near there, and it seems there was a mall shooting in UT or someplace.
Gun vs. Pepper Spray at 20 paces. What's the range on pepper spray ?
Yael is a leftist moron, once of the reasons I refuse to read the KC Red Star (and I live in the KC Metro.)
What he’s saying here is, as usual, idiotic. That a one-time fluke proves his fantasy. I’ve got a suggestion, Yael: Get the KCPD to disarm, except for pepper spray. Using your... well, what ever it is that you substitute for thought... the police have no reason for firearms, since in this ONE CASE, a shooter was disarmed by someone with pepper spray, disproving the statement by Wayne LaPiere.
Disproved. Yeah, right.
Hey Yael, I heard that they revived someone who had been underwater for more than 10 minutes with no lingering brain damage... I guess that means we can leave drowning victims under water for at least 9 minutes before needing to save them, right?
Yes, Yael is a moron.