Skip to comments.The hero and the bad guys (She claims 4 out of 5 released Taliban are moderates)
Posted on 06/07/2014 1:38:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
On Saturday, Bowe Bergdahl was a hero, and the five members of the Taliban being freed in exchange for him were the worst of the worst.
By the end of the week, it seemed that neither is actually true. The parade in Bergdahls Idaho hometown was canceled. Four of the five arent nice guys, but they arent war criminals, either.
As for Bergdahl, I dont pretend to know whether he deserted his unit. That is a question that can only be answered in a properly and fairly conducted court-martial.
But the account that broke my heart was the interview with the widow who had only just learned that it was while he was out looking for Bergdahl that her husband was killed. She was pregnant with their second child at the time. I dont know how you explain that to your kids, especially when they are old enough to understand.
And of course, what made it so much worse is that we really wanted a happy ending to this story. I was watching the coverage on Saturday in the green room at Fox, and Tammy Bruce reminded me of all the questions that had been raised in the past about Bergdahls disappearance. Jake Tapper had already tweeted about it. It was there. And if you listened to the coverage clearly or read the whole story, it was there: the continued uncertainty as to how it was that Bergdahl was seized. But who listened so closely? The army promoted him twice. They must know. Besides, I wanted to be happy for Jani and Bob.
Saturday belonged to Bowes parents. They lived through every parents nightmare, and then after years of pain and grief, they got the call. Their son was coming home. I defy you to find a mother who did not relate to Jani Bergdahl, who did not want to share her joy. To a mother, its worth five of the worst of the worst or, as John McCain put it, the hardest and toughest of all.
Well, maybe not so hard and tough. Three of the five, it is now being reported, were political officials during the period that the Taliban ruled and were thought to be among the moderates in the Taliban government; one of them was a student working for a relative, who offered to help the United States after we came in, and we arrested him instead. Another was a midlevel police official.
One, the former army chief of staff, looks to be among the worst and is accused of war crimes. But in terms of his likely role in the Taliban today, even he is more than a decade out of date, and as some of the experts have not so charitably put it, all of these guys are old, at least in terrorist terms.
So should the administration have done the swap?
Probably. But like so much of our politics today, the answer isnt very satisfying.
Its important to send the message to our soldiers that we leave no one behind. Bergdahl deserves his day in court, at least, and until proved guilty, he is an American soldier whom we are all bound to support.
But my heart still goes out to the widow who is wondering exactly why her husband was out searching for this guy.
On the bad guys, the hardest question, as to four of the five, is not whether we are endangered by their release, but whether this is whom we have been keeping Guantanamo open to detain. Why?
As to the fifth, the really bad guy, my assumption, which the reports seem to confirm, is that he was the price of the deal. You want to get your soldiers home? You give up bad guys. Ask Israel. War is an ugly business. Not much to be happy about. The left and right can scream at each other, but neither side has great answers. It is what it is.
So in other words, what difference does it make...
Moderate Islam is like a mild case of rabies.
Just because many of them drive in the middle of the road doesn’t make them moderates.
I can't imagine any liberal America-hater saying the same thing with a name that lacks leftist credentials. "George Zimmerman deserves his day in court, at least, and until proved guilty, he is an American whom we are all bound to support?" No, the people who reflexively defend Obama are hypocrites, as we have all known for years. They know that only liberals are bound to support someone simply because Obama does. Decent people look at the facts. Zimmerman? Self-defense. Support him. Bergdahl? Desertion on the battlefield in time of war. No support from those who love America.
These people like SE think they are just so much smarter than everyone else yet they show an ignorance level concerning reality which rings right off the charts!
So glad this mindless moron is no longer a regular agitator on Fox news. Between her voice and over stretched face, it was more than a person could handle.
Taliban Moderate = Gentleman who will only slightly kill you.
Moderate Mohammedans is a contradiction in terms. What does t mean? Do they kill their enemies with rubber weapons? Do they eat pork sometimes and drink wine on holidays?
Reminds me of a story I once heard about the differences in Jewish branches: Orthodox go to temple, Conservative go to synagogue and Reformed go to church.
Mohammedism is a cult of hate started by a camel-humping pedophile. Islam is a Mohammedan word; don’t use their words.
Good point. Very good point.
Why does the press only key on the numbers 1 and 5? Our government has illegally (in my opinion) released five potential murderers back into society. Are we to assume they are reformed after years of abusing guards and plotting revenge? How many people will die as a result of this action? To me this act of stupidity should have criminal consequences should future lives be lost.
The only person on the planet with a more agony inducing voice than SE is Shillary.
Oh it was allll a big mistaaaaaake, to think there was anything wrong with this trade. How good of them to parrot the White House official excuses and let us know!
Only ....I guess they had nothing to say about the president of the United States breaking the law to do this, hmmmmm???????
They rinse off the knife before they cut your head off.....
She’s the one who thought Mike “Tank Commander” Dukakis was a tough guy so, yeah, I trust her opinion.
A moderate Tollyban will stop cutting just before hitting the jugular vein.
The big question to be answered is who were the five terror types from gitmo traded for Bowe Bergdahl. That may be the story that the regime is trying their best to cover up by featuring Bowe and his father in the limelight all the time.
If we keep concentrating on Bowe and his father we will forget about the very dangerous five that are now free to undo all the good we did in Afghanistan which may have been the regimes real mission.
One is a heroin trafficker the other hates Shites in Afghistan heres a clip:
..............While not as well known as Guantanamo inmates like 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Taliban 5 were some of the worst outlaws in the U.S. war on terror. And their release will end up replenishing the diminished leadership ranks of the Afghan Taliban at a moment when the United States is winding down the war there...........
They are undoubtedly among the most dangerous Taliban commanders held at Guantanamo, said Thomas Joscelyn, a senior editor at the Long War Journal who keeps a close watch on developments concerning the detainees left at the Guantanamo Bay prison.
Fazl, for example, was the Talibans former deputy defense minister and is wanted by the United Nations for his role in massacres targeting Afghans Shiite Muslim population.
According to the 2008 Pentagons dossier on Fazl disclosed by Wikileaks (PDF), Noori also was a senior Taliban military figure and, according to his Pentagon dossier, was asked personally in 1995 by Osama bin Laden (PDF) to participate in an offensive against northern alliance warlord Rashid Dostum.
............Wasiq, a former deputy minister of intelligence, at one point tried to cooperate with U.S. forces in Afghanistan and asked for a GPS system as well as a special radio to communicate with the U.S. military after the U.S. invasion in 2001. His dossier (PDF) says that he was a crucial liaison between the Taliban and other Islamic fundamentalist groups while he was deputy intelligence minister. But the 2008 report also said he was holding out information he had on other top al Qaeda and Taliban leaders during interrogations..........
Gotta love Susan Estrich's use of the familiar with Bergdahl's parents. If she's sympathetic to them, they must be raging Marxists.
By the way if you google up “who were the five terrorists traded for Bowe Bergdahl” using google all you get are three pages of links that are uselsss. They never ansewer the question asked.
I used dogpile and the second link popped up as answering the question.
We are under attack from the enemy from within and have been for some time.
Bergdahl was not “our” guy, Bowe Bergdahl is a deserter and a collaborator.
We need to find out if Bowe participated in attacks on US troops.
Bring back Bowe, sure!
Release the Taliban Dream Team, NO!
The absolute best version of “Pretzel Logic” with the great Drew Zingg on lead guitar and Mike McDonald singing bridge.
Susan Estrich. Even her name screams hormonal imbalance.
LA Crimes ran a front page story yesterday. Only 1 in 5 of the released terrorists is really dangerous.
So move on (and I don’t mean dot org).
Does that mean they will be nicer and use a sharper knife to behead people?
Other than Team Obama, the only one smiling about this is Jimmah Carter, because Obama has surpassed him as the worst president.
We still live with the aftermath of the Carter ME policies.
We will be living and dying with the aftermath of the Obama ME policies for decades.
Botoxic Susie pops up on these occasions like a tin soldier silhouette in a penny arcade shooting gallery. It's time for this subversive, long-time propagandist be put out to pasture in a salted meadow....along with her alter ego, Obama mouthpiece, lefty Lanny Davis.
This guy Bergdhal was no deserter he was a defector no different than a soldier crossing over the DMZ between North and South Korea. Also they say he escaped from his captors five times, I say BS. If it were true they would have simply killed him not put up with his antics. They better lock this guy away when he gets back because we don’t know that another reason they swapped him was that he will perform a suicide mission for them.
2. Previously consulted with congress 3. Swiftboating 4. It was an oversight, sorry 5. Platoon full of psychopaths 6. Taliban threated to kill 7. "What differences does it make?" 8. Stockholm Syndrome 9. PTSD 10. No evidence converted to Islam, fraternized with Taliban, and declared jihad 11. Physically abused, confined in cage 12. Racism 13. Moderate Taliban 14. Raggedy" platoon
15. "No matter what, to leave an American behind in the hands of people who would torture him, cut of his head, do any number of things"