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The hero and the bad guys (She claims 4 out of 5 released Taliban are moderates)
Th Manteca Bulletin ^ | June 7, 2014 | Susan Estrich

Posted on 06/07/2014 1:38:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

On Saturday, Bowe Bergdahl was a hero, and the five members of the Taliban being freed in exchange for him were the worst of the worst.

By the end of the week, it seemed that neither is actually true. The parade in Bergdahl’s Idaho hometown was canceled. Four of the five aren’t nice guys, but they aren’t war criminals, either.

As for Bergdahl, I don’t pretend to know whether he deserted his unit. That is a question that can only be answered in a properly and fairly conducted court-martial.

But the account that broke my heart was the interview with the widow who had only just learned that it was while he was out looking for Bergdahl that her husband was killed. She was pregnant with their second child at the time. I don’t know how you explain that to your kids, especially when they are old enough to understand.

And of course, what made it so much worse is that we really wanted a happy ending to this story. I was watching the coverage on Saturday in the green room at Fox, and Tammy Bruce reminded me of all the questions that had been raised in the past about Bergdahl’s disappearance. Jake Tapper had already tweeted about it. It was there. And if you listened to the coverage clearly or read the whole story, it was there: the continued uncertainty as to how it was that Bergdahl was seized. But who listened so closely? The army promoted him twice. They must know. Besides, I wanted to be happy for Jani and Bob.

Saturday belonged to Bowe’s parents. They lived through every parent’s nightmare, and then after years of pain and grief, they got the call. Their son was coming home. I defy you to find a mother who did not relate to Jani Bergdahl, who did not want to share her joy. To a mother, it’s worth five of the worst of the worst or, as John McCain put it, “the hardest and toughest of all.”

Well, maybe not so hard and tough. Three of the five, it is now being reported, were political officials during the period that the Taliban ruled and were thought to be among the moderates in the Taliban government; one of them was a student working for a relative, who offered to help the United States after we came in, and we arrested him instead. Another was a midlevel police official.

One, the former army chief of staff, looks to be among the worst and is accused of war crimes. But in terms of his likely role in the Taliban today, even he is more than a decade out of date, and as some of the experts have not so charitably put it, all of these guys are old, at least in terrorist terms.

So should the administration have done the swap?

Probably. But like so much of our politics today, the answer isn’t very satisfying.

It’s important to send the message to our soldiers that we leave no one behind. Bergdahl deserves his day in court, at least, and until proved guilty, he is an American soldier whom we are all bound to support.

But my heart still goes out to the widow who is wondering exactly why her husband was out searching for this guy.

On the bad guys, the hardest question, as to four of the five, is not whether we are endangered by their release, but whether this is whom we have been keeping Guantanamo open to detain. Why?

As to the fifth, the really bad guy, my assumption, which the reports seem to confirm, is that he was the price of the deal. You want to get your soldiers home? You give up bad guys. Ask Israel. War is an ugly business. Not much to be happy about. The left and right can scream at each other, but neither side has great answers. It is what it is.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bergdahl; bobbergdahl; bowebergdahl; demagogicparty; gitmo; mantecabulletin; memebuilding; obama; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; susanestrich; taliban

1 posted on 06/07/2014 1:38:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So in other words, what difference does it make...


2 posted on 06/07/2014 1:46:42 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB

Moderate Islam is like a mild case of rabies.


3 posted on 06/07/2014 1:48:54 AM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just because many of them drive in the middle of the road doesn’t make them moderates.


4 posted on 06/07/2014 1:52:33 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bergdahl deserves his day in court, at least, and until proved guilty, he is an American soldier whom we are all bound to support.

I can't imagine any liberal America-hater saying the same thing with a name that lacks leftist credentials. "George Zimmerman deserves his day in court, at least, and until proved guilty, he is an American whom we are all bound to support?" No, the people who reflexively defend Obama are hypocrites, as we have all known for years. They know that only liberals are bound to support someone simply because Obama does. Decent people look at the facts. Zimmerman? Self-defense. Support him. Bergdahl? Desertion on the battlefield in time of war. No support from those who love America.

5 posted on 06/07/2014 1:53:12 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1
Dubya was an American veteran of the Air National Guard who volunteered for Vietnam service. Remind me, did she support him during the 2004 campaign when 60 Minutes smeared him and we cleared him?
6 posted on 06/07/2014 1:56:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Four of the five aren’t nice guys, but they aren’t war criminals, either.

These people like SE think they are just so much smarter than everyone else yet they show an ignorance level concerning reality which rings right off the charts!

7 posted on 06/07/2014 2:33:36 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: sirchtruth

So glad this mindless moron is no longer a regular agitator on Fox news. Between her voice and over stretched face, it was more than a person could handle.


8 posted on 06/07/2014 3:25:44 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: maggief

The List?

Moderate Taliban


9 posted on 06/07/2014 3:31:25 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Taliban Moderate = Gentleman who will only slightly kill you.


10 posted on 06/07/2014 3:41:10 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Salamander

Moderate Mohammedans is a contradiction in terms. What does t mean? Do they kill their enemies with rubber weapons? Do they eat pork sometimes and drink wine on holidays?

Reminds me of a story I once heard about the differences in Jewish branches: Orthodox go to temple, Conservative go to synagogue and Reformed go to church.

Mohammedism is a cult of hate started by a camel-humping pedophile. Islam is a Mohammedan word; don’t use their words.


11 posted on 06/07/2014 4:02:11 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: NTHockey
Islam is a Mohammedan word; don’t use their words.

Good point. Very good point.

12 posted on 06/07/2014 4:17:03 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Global Warming is caused by illegal immigrants!)
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To: DB

Why does the press only key on the numbers 1 and 5? Our government has illegally (in my opinion) released five potential murderers back into society. Are we to assume they are reformed after years of abusing guards and plotting revenge? How many people will die as a result of this action? To me this act of stupidity should have criminal consequences should future lives be lost.


13 posted on 06/07/2014 4:21:18 AM PDT by Boomer One
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To: Boomer One
No doubt they'll return to the murder campaign and lives will be lost here and there. All can be traced back to our Narcissist in Chief.
14 posted on 06/07/2014 4:46:04 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: DAC21

The only person on the planet with a more agony inducing voice than SE is Shillary.


15 posted on 06/07/2014 4:50:45 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 ( Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh it was allll a big mistaaaaaake, to think there was anything wrong with this trade. How good of them to parrot the White House official excuses and let us know!

Only ....I guess they had nothing to say about the president of the United States breaking the law to do this, hmmmmm???????


16 posted on 06/07/2014 4:54:11 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (The love that dare not speak its name is now the love that will not shut its *bleeping* mouth)
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To: Chainmail

They rinse off the knife before they cut your head off.....


17 posted on 06/07/2014 4:55:18 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She’s the one who thought Mike “Tank Commander” Dukakis was a tough guy so, yeah, I trust her opinion.


18 posted on 06/07/2014 5:04:29 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: DB

A moderate Tollyban will stop cutting just before hitting the jugular vein.


19 posted on 06/07/2014 5:05:08 AM PDT by RetSignman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/31/us-pays-high-price-for-last-pow-in-afghanistan.html

The big question to be answered is who were the five terror types from gitmo traded for Bowe Bergdahl. That may be the story that the regime is trying their best to cover up by featuring Bowe and his father in the limelight all the time.

If we keep concentrating on Bowe and his father we will forget about the very dangerous five that are now free to undo all the good we did in Afghanistan which may have been the regimes real mission.

One is a heroin trafficker the other hates Shites in Afghistan heres a clip:

..............While not as well known as Guantanamo inmates like 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Taliban 5 were some of the worst outlaws in the U.S. war on terror. And their release will end up replenishing the diminished leadership ranks of the Afghan Taliban at a moment when the United States is winding down the war there...........

“They are undoubtedly among the most dangerous Taliban commanders held at Guantanamo,” said Thomas Joscelyn, a senior editor at the Long War Journal who keeps a close watch on developments concerning the detainees left at the Guantanamo Bay prison.

Fazl, for example, was the Taliban’s former deputy defense minister and is wanted by the United Nations for his role in massacres targeting Afghan’s Shi’ite Muslim population.

According to the 2008 Pentagon’s dossier on Fazl disclosed by Wikileaks (PDF), Noori also was a senior Taliban military figure and, according to his Pentagon dossier, was asked personally in 1995 by Osama bin Laden (PDF) to participate in an offensive against northern alliance warlord Rashid Dostum.

............Wasiq, a former deputy minister of intelligence, at one point tried to cooperate with U.S. forces in Afghanistan and asked for a GPS system as well as a special radio to communicate with the U.S. military after the U.S. invasion in 2001. His dossier (PDF) says that he was a crucial liaison between the Taliban and other Islamic fundamentalist groups while he was deputy intelligence minister. But the 2008 report also said he was holding out information he had on other top al Qaeda and Taliban leaders during interrogations..........

20 posted on 06/07/2014 5:17:41 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wanted to be happy for Jani and Bob.

Gotta love Susan Estrich's use of the familiar with Bergdahl's parents. If she's sympathetic to them, they must be raging Marxists.

21 posted on 06/07/2014 5:17:56 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Please excuse the potholes in this tagline. Social programs have to take priority in our funding.)
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To: All

By the way if you google up “who were the five terrorists traded for Bowe Bergdahl” using google all you get are three pages of links that are uselsss. They never ansewer the question asked.
I used dogpile and the second link popped up as answering the question.
We are under attack from the enemy from within and have been for some time.


22 posted on 06/07/2014 5:21:12 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: DB

Bergdahl was not “our” guy, Bowe Bergdahl is a deserter and a collaborator.

We need to find out if Bowe participated in attacks on US troops.

Bring back Bowe, sure!
Release the Taliban Dream Team, NO!


23 posted on 06/07/2014 5:24:13 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The absolute best version of “Pretzel Logic” with the great Drew Zingg on lead guitar and Mike McDonald singing bridge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt2zKrx0iYE


24 posted on 06/07/2014 5:28:36 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sometime ugly goes to the bone.


25 posted on 06/07/2014 5:40:49 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Susan Estrich. Even her name screams hormonal imbalance.


26 posted on 06/07/2014 5:44:27 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LA Crimes ran a front page story yesterday. Only 1 in 5 of the released terrorists is really dangerous.

So move on (and I don’t mean dot org).


27 posted on 06/07/2014 5:46:22 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Moderate Islamists?

Does that mean they will be nicer and use a sharper knife to behead people?

==

Other than Team Obama, the only one smiling about this is Jimmah Carter, because Obama has surpassed him as the worst president.

We still live with the aftermath of the Carter ME policies.

We will be living and dying with the aftermath of the Obama ME policies for decades.


28 posted on 06/07/2014 5:56:56 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; flaglady47; mickie; pax_et_bonum; Maine Mariner
Susan Estrogen is one of the hardened old commie hags that the Obama administration can count on to immediately spring forward to provide media defense during times of administration scandals and disasters.

Botoxic Susie pops up on these occasions like a tin soldier silhouette in a penny arcade shooting gallery. It's time for this subversive, long-time propagandist be put out to pasture in a salted meadow....along with her alter ego, Obama mouthpiece, lefty Lanny Davis.

Leni

29 posted on 06/07/2014 6:11:03 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: DB

This guy Bergdhal was no deserter he was a defector no different than a soldier crossing over the DMZ between North and South Korea. Also they say he escaped from his captors five times, I say BS. If it were true they would have simply killed him not put up with his antics. They better lock this guy away when he gets back because we don’t know that another reason they swapped him was that he will perform a suicide mission for them.


30 posted on 06/07/2014 6:25:49 AM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: Boomer One

hear, hear.


31 posted on 06/07/2014 6:27:32 AM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: don-o
1. Health in danger

2. Previously consulted with congress

3. Swiftboating

4. It was an oversight, sorry

5. Platoon full of psychopaths

6. Taliban threated to kill

7. "What differences does it make?"

8. Stockholm Syndrome

9. PTSD

10. No evidence converted to Islam, fraternized with Taliban, and declared jihad

11. Physically abused, confined in cage

12. Racism

13. Moderate Taliban

14. “Raggedy" platoon

15. "No matter what, to leave an American behind in the hands of people who would torture him, cut of his head, do any number of things"

32 posted on 06/08/2014 7:01:12 AM PDT by maggief
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