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New York Times: Demonizing Sgt. Bergdahl
The New York Times via the Salt Lake Tribune ^ | Friday, June 6, 2014 | Editorial

Posted on 06/07/2014 6:03:45 AM PDT by kristinn

Four months ago, Sen. John McCain said he would support the exchange of five hard-core Taliban leaders for the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

"I would support ways of bringing him home," he told CNN, "and if exchange was one of them I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider."

But the instant the Obama administration actually made that trade, McCain, as he has so often in the past...

SNIP

Though we criticized the administration for ignoring the law in not informing Congress of the transfer of the Taliban detainees 30 days in advance, leave it to Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and other hyperventilators to claim that continued release of prisoners from Guantánamo without prior notice is now considered an impeachable offense, a ludicrous leap.

SNIP

This duck-and-cover response is the result of the outrageous demonization of Bergdahl in the absence of actual facts. Republican operatives have arranged for soldiers in his unit to tell reporters that he was a deserter who cost the lives of several soldiers searching for him. In fact, a review of casualty reports by Charlie Savage and Andrew Lehren of The New York Times showed there is no clear link between any military deaths and the search.

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And a classified military report shows that Bergdahl had walked away from assigned areas at least twice before and had returned, according to a report in The New York Times on Thursday. It describes him as a free-spirited young man who asked many questions but gave no indication of being a deserter, let alone the turncoat that Obama’s opponents are now trying to create.

If anything, the report suggests that the army unit’s lack of security and discipline was as much to blame for the disappearance, given the sergeant’s history.

(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...


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1 posted on 06/07/2014 6:03:45 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
Oh - so it was the US ARMY's fault he wandered off in Afghanistan; he was just a free-spirited young man .. who couldn't follow instructions!
2 posted on 06/07/2014 6:07:33 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: kristinn

big diffence between this:
..... would support the exchange of five hard- Taliban leaders for the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl

and this:

“I would support ways of bringing him home,” he told CNN, “and if exchange was one of them I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.”


3 posted on 06/07/2014 6:08:20 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: kristinn

“Republican operatives have arranged for soldiers in his unit to tell reporters that he was a deserter...”


4 posted on 06/07/2014 6:08:24 AM PDT by stanne
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To: kristinn
If anything, the report suggests that the army unit’s lack of security and discipline was as much to blame for the disappearance, given the sergeant’s history.

It was the Army's responsibility to guard Bergdahl and that traitor him from deserting? Interesting perspective on the military from someone whose closest approach to a uniform was probably walking past his doorman without tipping.

5 posted on 06/07/2014 6:08:50 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: kristinn

Here we fo. The NYT doing its feminine tatle tale round of denunciations.

It is obvious Obama is peddling Narco Taleban Opium and then using that “manufactured want” against us to control people, but, hey, these troops made Bergdhal do it and they had a responsability to baby sit him.

Which is the very kind of little btch snitch behavior encouraging the like of Bergdhal or Alinsky wanted.

I freaking hate communists and their inherent vile and stupid mindset.


6 posted on 06/07/2014 6:09:00 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: kristinn
the outrageous demonization of Bergdahl in the absence of actual facts.

How about the outrageous claim of "honor and distinction" in the absence of actual facts...

7 posted on 06/07/2014 6:13:55 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: traderrob6

those walk offs are totally different. the last time he said he hated America, sent everything home to his parents and left his gun and military duds behind.


8 posted on 06/07/2014 6:14:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: kristinn
Republican operatives have arranged for soldiers in his unit

... because we all know that Republican "operatives" have sooooo much power over psychopaths...

9 posted on 06/07/2014 6:15:32 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Pollster1

Like. i always said as a soldier, it is ridculous to complain about the army when in the army since each of us soldier make up the army and its “services”. To be a better soldier and ask how to be a better soldier is the only way to make a good army. This is such stupid thinking.

But I do not put it past traitors and Xanax dispensing psychiatrists in the military to manufacture such whiney people and encouraging them, because these drugs do have the benefit of turning the psychiatrist into some kind of god and your less peivileged buddies as some kind of a$$ holes.

... enter the NYT or CNN-Jazeera moslem tatletale little btch arab journalist... on the FOB itself of all things.


10 posted on 06/07/2014 6:15:38 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: kristinn

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/05/22/Congress-rejects-AUMF-sunset-amendment-war-on-terror-to-continue-Guantanamo-still-open/3121400794485/


11 posted on 06/07/2014 6:16:34 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: kristinn
Bergdahl had walked away from assigned areas at least twice before and had returned

Yes it seems he seems to have just come and go when he wanted to...its called AWOL..thats not the action of an honorable soldier..

Plus when he went did he leave his gun and safety equipment behind or was that last time something else???..was he leaving for good ???...were the other times just practice runs ???

the army unit’s lack of security and discipline

Strange they should point that out...it might well be that the lack of discipline that BOWeeWee had allowed him to go over to the enemy with ease...

12 posted on 06/07/2014 6:16:59 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kristinn

He’s trying to close Gitmo..see my last post


13 posted on 06/07/2014 6:17:02 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: kristinn

The New York Times is America’s most heinous enemy. No matter what bad stuff happens to them, it will never be enough.


14 posted on 06/07/2014 6:17:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: kristinn

1. Bergdahl had walked away before:

a. Does not justify desertion.
b. Walked away this time and stayed away...clear desertion
c. Each of the previous times, he had also been wrong AND had threated the security of his fellow soldiers.
d. This time he sent all his possessions home prior to ‘walking away’.

2. Bergdahl attempted to escape:

a. Bergdahl was not taken prisoner. He SOUGHT the Taliban.
b. Prior to seeking the Taliban, Bergdahl prepared for desertion by sending his possessions home. That makes his desertion premeditated.
c. Bergdahl might have simply disliked the group that had him and wanted to be associated with a different jihadist group. He might not have been trying to get back to US forces.
d. Bergdahl eventually took up arms and was trusted with arms and considered himself a jihadist.
e. Bergdahl wrote of his disdain and detestation toward America and his fellow soldiers.
f. His fellow soldiers ALL say he willingly deserted.


15 posted on 06/07/2014 6:18:36 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: kristinn
Four months ago, Sen. John McCain said he would support the exchange of five hard-core Taliban leaders for the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

"I would support ways of bringing him home," he told CNN, "and if exchange was one of them I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider."

The NYT Editorial board (anonymously spewed dogma) are entitled to their opinion, but they are not entitled to a perverted interpretation.

When I was in school, "support" was a very different thing from "seriously consider".

Honestly, it's like they're not even trying to make everything jibe anymore. Just wipe their behinds like a baboon, grab some feces and sling it somewhere to see if it sticks. They really are a pretentious and ill equipped group of ideologues.

16 posted on 06/07/2014 6:20:44 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: traderrob6

McCain: “I would support ways of bringing him home,” he told CNN, “and if exchange was one of them I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.”
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He only said they might think about it ...he never said to do it...

and McCain certainly never said to let dangerous Islamic terrorists go and so many...

There are low level prisoners in Gitmo too...

Plus its not the only place we hold Islamic prisoners..


17 posted on 06/07/2014 6:20:54 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kristinn

Any order to commit a crime is unlawful.
Disobeying a lawful order can get you jailed or even executed.

Our military is finding itself in an ever more complicated quagmire.


18 posted on 06/07/2014 6:21:03 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Sacajaweau

This fuy is a tattle tale little girl, denuncing daddy for playing with his gun to mom because he wont give her some candy.

THIS ALL ME ME ME OBAMA RIGHT THERE.

WE ARE NOT GIVING HIS ISLAM FAG CANDY OF UNCONDITIONAL ADORATION SO HE WILL KEEP FCKING WITH THE COUNTRY AND COMMUNIST JOURNALISTS WILL KEEP THE TUNE.

America needs to get its head out of its arse and really ask what it wants, because this is not heading in the right direction for anyone, because liberals too stand to be denounced for their own largess.


19 posted on 06/07/2014 6:21:05 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: kristinn

Of course, McCain was going to close GITMO on Day 1 of his presidency and move the terrorists to Leavenworth — where liberal FED judges could eventually release them.

==

It does open up the question:

When the Afghan/Iraq Wars ended, what did the FED/politicians/military plan to do with those Islamists still being detained at GITMO and elsewhere?

It would seem that there would be only 3 options: execute, imprison for live, release.


20 posted on 06/07/2014 6:23:35 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Ken522

so it was the US ARMY’s fault he wandered off in Afghanistan; he was just a free-spirited young man .. who couldn’t follow instructions!
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No the lack of discipline seems more to be that he was not punished for going AWOL...

he should have been kicked home to the US and kicked out of the military...

He wasn’t reliable and he proved himself a danger to his fellow soldiers that he might not be there when they needed him...


21 posted on 06/07/2014 6:23:58 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kristinn

The ARMY as Nanny?

Widdo Bowe wandered off...and the Nanny didnt give em a nice toy to keep em happy??

How can there be an America where PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is viewed with such disdain??


22 posted on 06/07/2014 6:24:42 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Ken522

so it was the US ARMY’s fault he wandered off in Afghanistan; he was just a free-spirited young man .. who couldn’t follow instructions!
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Heres another thing...

I wonder if they were afraid to discipline him...

all he had to do was say he was a homosexual...or if they thought he might be...

and they would not dare say BOO to him...

Hes obviously white or it might have been the race card thingy...

its just awfully strange that a guy in a warzone could just go and come as he pleased..

etc


23 posted on 06/07/2014 6:28:21 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: xzins
Bergdahl attempted to escape

An assertion recently come to light from a less than reliable DoD contractor with baggage. Not a hard, cold fact.

24 posted on 06/07/2014 6:28:43 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: kristinn

Will military leaders take the WH meme without question—it was the military’s fault, he has a mental problem, etc?

PresBro has gone rogue and the military be damned, like he has done with Dims in Congress.

When will the left wake up to see they are in the same boat as the rest of us?


25 posted on 06/07/2014 6:30:38 AM PDT by Wavy_Wally
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To: kristinn; All

The comments at link are a perfect example of the delusion liberals live by. They are completely convinced that Bergdahl is an innocent victim, or hero, and that conservatives have jumped the shark to lambaste Dear Leader, on this *brilliant* trade. Sickening.

I wish the posts, here, could be posted at that site - for an injection of truth.

The NY Slimes would likely defend the Nazis, today, and somehow cover-up/overlook their numerous atrocities committed. Pathetic how far they’ve - ALL liberals - descended into anti-Americanism.


26 posted on 06/07/2014 6:31:04 AM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: xzins

d. This time he sent all his possessions home prior to ‘walking away’.
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Oh yes forgot about that bit...

but I thought he sent them home much earlier weeks before ???

He might have sent them home and then began his practices...

who knows he wasn’t meeting up with the enemy, his little Islamic terrorist friends...the Afghans he loved so much ???

He had already been learning Pustco(sp)

Was he arranging his final leaving...the actual desertion ???


27 posted on 06/07/2014 6:33:59 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kristinn

Here’s another gem:

“...it is the military’s duty to get them back if they are taken prisoner. That’s what the Obama administration did in this case...”

The Times, and the Salt Lake Tribune for printing this, are in full propaganda mode, of course.

The theme is presenting Obama as more honorable than the military and, in particular, the soldiers who have been near these events.

Every paragraph is as stunningly slanderous as the comments to the article.

“...it is the military’s duty to get them back if they are taken prisoner. That’s what the Obama administration did in this case.”

It’s as if the Times is under strict orders, and so enamored by the attention that they don’t see that they have sunk to the level of tabloid in their ridiculousness.

The theme might point out an attempt to portray BO as a great champion of not leaving anyone behind.


28 posted on 06/07/2014 6:35:47 AM PDT by stanne
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To: kristinn

Did McCain expressly say he would do a five for one trade? That is not the same as saying he would consider a swap.


29 posted on 06/07/2014 6:38:33 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: kristinn

Liberals can’t stand anyone saying they are wrong


30 posted on 06/07/2014 6:38:42 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: kristinn
This is what SUBMISSION looks like....
31 posted on 06/07/2014 6:39:39 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Pollster1
"If anything, the report suggests that the army unit’s lack of security and discipline was as much to blame for the disappearance, given the sergeant’s history."

Sounds more than vaguely, well Soviet -- not surprising from the leading newspaper of Moscow-On-Hudson.

The concept was re-introduced on a large scale during the German–Soviet War.[3] On June 27, 1941, in response to reports of unit disintegration in battle and desertion from the ranks in the Soviet Red Army, the 3rd Department (military counterintelligence of Soviet Army) of the USSR's Narkomat of Defense issued a directive creating mobile barrier forces composed of NKVD personnel to operate on roads, railways, forests, etc. for the purpose of catching 'deserters and suspicious persons'. These forces were given the acronym SMERSH (from the Russian Smert shpionam - Death to spies).[4][5] SMERSH detachments were created from NKVD troops, augmented with counterintelligence operatives, and were under the command of the NKVD.[4]

With the continued deterioration of the military situation in the face of the German offensive of 1941, SMERSH and other NKVD punitive detachments acquired a new mission: to prevent the unauthorized withdrawal of Red Army forces from the battle line.[4][5] The first troops of this kind were formed in the Bryansk Front on September 5, 1941.

On September 12, 1941 Joseph Stalin issued the Stavka Directive No. 1919 (Директива Ставки ВГК №001919) concerning the creation of barrier troops in rifle divisions of the Southwestern Front, to suppress panic retreats. Each Red Army division was to have an anti-retreat detachment equipped with transport totalling one company for each regiment. Their primary goal was to maintain strict military discipline and to prevent disintegration of the front line by any means, including the use of machine guns to indiscriminately shoot any personnel retreating without authorization.[6] These barrier troops were usually formed from ordinary military units, and placed under NKVD command.

32 posted on 06/07/2014 6:40:11 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: kristinn

Like clockwork

If there is ANY doubt about who’s side these jerkovs are on . . then that person should not vote


33 posted on 06/07/2014 6:40:39 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Shame on Sam The Sham . . . Michael ScAM . . .$$$ grab all planned by this "handlers")
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To: Gaffer

McCain said he would “consider exchange” in order to bring the soldier back. He did NOT say he would consider an exchange for the five high ranking terrorists we gave up.

McCain’s answer was political in nature and deliberately ambiguous. But it remains this author deliberately reports, without any facts, his personal beliefs of what McCain meant.


34 posted on 06/07/2014 6:40:42 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: kristinn

New York Times - “demonizing people is wrong”

... except in the cases of Ronald Reagan, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, the Koch Brothers, responsible gun owners, anyone concerned about Islamic terrorism, Chick-Fil-A ownership, etc. etc. etc.


35 posted on 06/07/2014 6:42:16 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: stanne
The theme might point out an attempt to portray BO as a great champion of not leaving anyone behind.

That is so surreal, isn't it? But the average LIV has no clue about Benghazi. Talk about leaving someone behind. We live in interesting times. My disdain, to put it politely, for this administration and the media is palpable.

36 posted on 06/07/2014 6:44:47 AM PDT by mplsconservative (Barack Hussein 0bama has American blood on HIS hands!)
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To: Wavy_Wally

“When will the left wake up to see they are in the same boat as the rest of us?”

Not only never, but they’ll glom on to the next liberal pres candidate and we’re in this again.

In the comment section someone says that republicans are overreacting - the five released will no doubt be taken out as soon as they try to do anything to harm us.

It’s stunning.


37 posted on 06/07/2014 6:46:25 AM PDT by stanne
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To: kristinn
I do wonder why the Army would keep a guy in a combat area after he had shown himself to be a disloyal, unreliable flake. Seems like he should have been spotted as a danger to others and sent someplace where he couldn't do as much harm.

But, that's different from saying that Bergdahl's defection is the Army's fault. He's the deserter and should bear the consequences.

38 posted on 06/07/2014 6:48:36 AM PDT by jumpingcholla34
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To: Tennessee Nana; Gaffer
Really, please stop trying to defend the megalo-maniacal McCain or justify his grandstanding statements.

I wish McCain would just go away permanently, but he insists on injecting himself into the middle of otherwise-important issues like this one.

My advice is to ignore the NYTime’s invocations of McCain's statements; McCain has nothing to do with the real story or the merits of the Repub’s challenge.

McCain is a permanent embarrassment to the party. Have we fixed the problem yet with the Repub primary rules, where Dems can cross over in New Hampshire and tip the scales? That was a disaster.

39 posted on 06/07/2014 6:49:20 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: billyboy15

What I said. NYT EB is comprised of lazy ideological hacks. They still think that whatever NYT prints becomes the word of god. Intellectual laziness coupled with rote excuses that don’t even make sense any more.


40 posted on 06/07/2014 6:50:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: kristinn
I think there's a typo in the title. Shouldn't it read "Demonizing St. Bergdahl"?
41 posted on 06/07/2014 6:50:53 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: mplsconservative

The never leave anyone behind gang.

The comments section reveals a segment of brainwashed voters.

They will not wake up and they will not turn away from BO to a conservative. If they give up on BO it’ll be because another brainwasher has entered the scene.

But the Benghazi hearings approach. And they are not going to be good.


42 posted on 06/07/2014 6:51:47 AM PDT by stanne
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To: WL-law

Give me a break and stop telling others what to think.

In NO way did I endorse McCain. I challenge you to point out to me exactly what I said ENDORSED him. Do it. Show me the words.

I pointed out NYT’s perverted interpretation of words. The words happened to come from McCain whom I detest. Regardless, their interpretation was completely and utterly wrong and misleading.


43 posted on 06/07/2014 6:53:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: kristinn
The problem with Juan is that he has no principles. I'll give McCain the benefit of the doubt to prove that he has no principles. Let's say Juan would simply entertain the idea of an exchange. That thought should only last in his pea brain for a minute or two. (Shorter if he had full mental faculties.) At that time Juan should realize that any exchange requires negotiating with terrorists. That's the sin here - negotiating with terrorists.

An American principle, not even a conservative principle, should be that we do only one thing with terrorists, and that is kill them.

44 posted on 06/07/2014 6:54:01 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
its just awfully strange that a guy in a warzone could just go and come as he pleased..

That is one of the excuses/defenses that some came up with later during the week: the army base was too lax and undisciplined, allowing too much freedom that led to Bergdahl leaving the base multiple times.

[Stay tuned. More excuses/defenses -- of, by, and for the Obama administration -- may be forthcoming by the Sunday morning news-talkies.]
45 posted on 06/07/2014 6:55:39 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: kristinn

I am beginning to wonder if Bergdahl has ever been disciplined. His parents? School? Army? Taliban (caged him for a time until he may have joined them, maybe that is what he liked)? If he thinks he can just do what he wants when he gets displeased, it sounds like he learned it at home. Why did Army put up with it? And why did he join the Army in the first place?


46 posted on 06/07/2014 6:58:03 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Gaffer

Your own post has McCain saying: “I would support ways of bringing him home and if exchange was one of them [NOTE - and that was the case] I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.”

So Obama considered, with McCain’s blessing.

One can condemn Obama’s actions without being required to back McCain’s statements. I condemn Obama AND McCain on this matter.


47 posted on 06/07/2014 7:00:14 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: WL-law
Your own post has McCain saying: “I would support ways of bringing him home and if exchange was one of them [NOTE - and that was the case] I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.”

Really now? That's just pathetic. Nobody here can quote anything anymore in trying to make a counter point? I did italicize it in case you try to tell me it wasn't clear.

48 posted on 06/07/2014 7:02:27 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: TADSLOS

Captive U.S. soldier Bowe Bergdahl 'recaptured by the Taliban after three days on the run following daring escape'
11 December 2011


49 posted on 06/07/2014 7:04:56 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

the army base was too lax and undisciplined, allowing too much freedom that led to Bergdahl leaving the base multiple times.
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yes but was it just BOWeeWee or did other soldiers just wander offbase when they wanted too also..

He was off duty when he did this...

Did BOWeeWee alone walk out the gate past the guard unchallenged for a pass etc or did the other soldiers also just wander at will...

was BOWeeWee special, or had they just given up on him because they needed his body there and they were in a warzone ???

was BOWee Wee due to be sent back to the world or was he being sent back early ???

did he not want to go home ???


50 posted on 06/07/2014 7:05:27 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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