Skip to comments.Seas Rise, Fla. GOP Leaders Balk at Climate Change
Posted on 06/07/2014 7:00:58 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Few places in the nation are more vulnerable to rising sea levels than low-lying South Florida. It's a tourist and retirement mecca built on drained swampland.
Other coastal states and the Obama administration are taking aggressive measures to battle the effects of global warming. But Florida's top Republican politicians are challenging the science and balking at government fixes.
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silly wagging tongues. the barnacles on the sea wall near me says it all. And they say nuthin has changed in over 25 years. Show me these rising seas.
Where’d you get that picture of my girlfriend?
Washington DC was built on drained swampland.
I vacationed there at the same Vero Beach location last year and the reefs were more exposed at low tides and the beach water line was not any closer. That's more than 35 years of rising sea levels, which had not shown any rising sea levels.
Left unmentioned in this article is the FACT that as a major metropolitan area, Miami and its neighbors has been pumping out ground water for DECADES! Over-pumping beyond recharge rate is a known cause of land subsidence and thus a contributory causation of flooding.
I am not for a minute saying that this is the sole reason for flooding in the area but this reporter failing entirely to mention this little tidbit seems to show a single issue concern, perhaps from some briefing papers?
Same with New Orleans. The sea level was higher than either of those cities 200 years ago.
Indeed it is, and what few people mention is that the more water you pump out, the more dissolution of the underlying limestone which occurs, and therefore more sinkholes, and a lowering of the ground. The general land under Florida is getting lower, not just the sea level rising.
Actually, the highest point in Florida is 345 ft above. Mt Britton near the Alabama boarder.
I live about 14 ft above sea level in coastal Georgia for now. Have noted no rise on the beach road that will flood during storms, but, hardly ever otherwise. At high tide it’s about 1 foot above the water level.
Soon, we plan on selling out and buying a sailboat, living in a local marina. I’ll be AT sea level then and I’ll keep track.
The Dimwits at AP/ABC shouldn't confuse possible erosion with Globull Warming.
What seal level rise? Chicken Little dashes about, exclaiming “The sky is falling! The sky is falling!”, but there is no independent confirmation of the phenomenon.
Wouldn’t that mean it would be unnecessary to dredge the harbor? And where is all this “extra” water coming from, a huge spring opened up on the seabed and suddenly more water is being poured into the ocean?
The Arctic and Antarctic sea ice cover is GROWING, which means even more water is being converted to the solid form, because of the overall LOSS of heat from the hydrosphere and atmosphere of the planet.
How’s your girlfriend and my children doing?
my guess is that she is EVERYBODY'S girlfriend.
No wonder I don’t catch anything. Using the wrong bait. Tonight I will use Coors light. See if I can reel something in.
Given that I live in the Tampa Bay area and do not require flood insurance because I am higher than 65 ft above MSL, I think you dropped a significant digit here. The highest point in the Florida Peninsula is at Bok Tower in Lake Wales at 324 ft MSL while the very highest point is in the Panhandle west of Tallahassee at Britton Hill (345 ft).
Given that a storm surge from a hurricane can easily be 25-30 feet, your number would mean we all build on stilts even inland. The interior of the peninsula ranges up from 150 ft MSL.
Way past time for the swamp to reclaim its own.
In the Phoenix valley, the large areas on the west side have subsided 18 feet in the last sixty years. Agricultural and domestic groundwater usage has taken the water from the aquifer and as the sponge looses water, it shrinks and the land is lower.
OK!! Everybody pay attention!
Lesson for today:
1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.
2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls the climates of all its planets.
3. The earth is one of the suns planets.
4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.
5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.
Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?
Full-blown propaganda by the AP. Who else? Love how they cherry pick weather events and then roll them into their “global warming is causing it” meme.
Heavy summer storms temporarily flood numerous parts of FL. South Florida is not alone in this regard.
The communist world dream... blaming your neighbor for breathing too much. If there is anything worse than a communist it is some one liepberal with communists, aka liberal communists, Democrats, RINOs etc...
Bush beer, no doubt.
The seas aren’t rising, it isn’t getting warmer. The polar caps aren’t disappearing, we are not having more hurricanes and the polar bears aren’t floating around lost on ice floes. This is no evidence that the things that the global warming alarmists have been warning us about for decades has happened. There is plenty of evidence, however, that these very same alarmists have doctored evidence to bolster their claims.
Again, how do you combat Mother Nature? She has an unbeaten record against humanity yet these idiot liberals think they can tame her through government spending. No, climate change is another in the long line of Democrat scam programs which add fresh millions to their bank accounts and give them more control over our lives.
That’s still about 2 inches in 20 years.....and I’m not buying that either.
Climate change is as natural as the turning of the earth. Time, geography and topography cause climate change. How is it that the left has so effectively hi-jacked the term to mean “man caused, business created and white male Republican supported destruction of all life on planet earth”?
Let’s also look at the supposed “cause” of the “rising” sea level, which is melting of the polar ice caps. Both North and South ice caps barely represent 5% of the area of our oceans globally.
Scientists have been concerned that in recent years that the thickness of the ice caps has been as little as four to six feet, with ten to thirteen feet being a “safe” norm.
Somehow, they try to tell us that if the ice caps were to completely melt, that sea levels would rise by over three feet.
Hmmmm....if we’ve seen ice cap thicknesses more than 50% below than the norm in the last 20 years, wouldn’t that mean we should have had an 18” or greater rise in sea level? We’d certainly have know it and felt its effect if it happened....apparently it didn’t!
The sea-level change business can create a lot of concern if the data is selectively used. Rarely, both polar regions experience a simultaneous drop in sea ice, normally the Polar regions response independently of each other, because of very different geography. A quick look at a globe of the earth explains why. The North Pole is surrounded by land masses, with the only notable break being the Norwegian Sea. The South Pole region is surrounded by lots and lots of water.
To attempt to link what is happening to the North and South polar ice caps to a single issue like CO2 emissions is absurd, given the dynamics of the two regions are so different.
At almost any time in history, alarmists can find melting of one or the other polar ice caps. You may have noted that as polar ice in the Artic region has increased in recent years, the alarmists are now focusing on the Antartic region.
Cherry picking at its finest!
Actually real sea level rise as measured by tidal gauges, is closer to 2 mm per year. The figure you quote is "adjusted" sea level rise. More then a few experts have issues with the methods use to "adjust" the data.
“Seas Rise, Fla. GOP Leaders Balk at Climate Change”
Interesting headline for an article about heavy rain and not a single fact, study, or reference that any actual sea is actually rising anywhere on the planet.
Ah think yuh gotta nibble there.
Let me hold yuh beer.
"Ice sheets contain enormous quantities of frozen water. If the Greenland Ice Sheet melted, scientists estimate that sea level would rise about 6 meters (20 feet). If the Antarctic Ice Sheet melted, sea level would rise by about 60 meters (200 feet)."
Sea level is pretty much unaffected by melting sea ice (it’s already floating). Just as the level in your glass of ice tea is unaffected by melting ice.
Begs the question...what exactly does the government spend this money on to control Globull Warming? All I see is $$$$ for marketing globull warming concerns. Where is the money going?
Was just down at the Gulf a couple days ago, it’s in the exact same place it has always been.
Florida has had water management districts for decades. It’s doing well, and most of Broward county is being taken off the mandatory flood insurance list this year. I’m sure the government butt kissing weasels at ABC will mention this.
Good. Climate change is a hoax. If they believe it is real, the liberals all along the east coast of Florida can move back north and inland. Bye.
I live in Florida - my backyard ends at a saltwater stream... high tides and low have been the same for 30 years... no change I can see.
If the global warming elitists really believed this, then why do they continue to buy up exclusive beachfront properties in Florida?
Look at what they do with their money OUTSIDE of participation in predictable government scams. That’ll tell what they truly believe.
Thank you. Let me do some simple math with the numbers your source provided:
Total area of ice sheets, North and South = 6M Sq Mi
Total surface area of earth = 200M Sq Mi
Total surface area of water on the earth = 140M Sq Mi
Percentage of ice sheet area to total water area = 4.3%
For 4.3% of the earth’s surface to produce a combined total of 220 feet of sea level change would require an ice sheet with a average thickness of 5,116.2 feet.
That is significantly thicker than the thickest known ice shelves in Antartica (around 3,000 feet), but average thickness is less than half of that. It most certainly is much less that the artic cap.
I rounded figures conservatively, and you can apply earth’s curvature instead of figuring in linear miles, but that only makes the numbers worse for your argument.
Yesterday it was 111 here in NM desert! At 9 this morning, it was 98. Obviously a lotta global warming happening.
Paint the streets and roofs white, reflect back solar energy.
Things will cool down, and the ocean won’t flood your driveway in Ohio, and sharks won’t eat you.
"The Greenland ice sheet (Greenlandic: Sermersuaq) is a vast body of ice covering 1,710,000 square kilometres (660,000 sq mi), roughly 80% of the surface of Greenland. It is the second largest ice body in the world, after the Antarctic Ice Sheet. The ice sheet is almost 2,400 kilometres (1,500 mi) long in a north-south direction, and its greatest width is 1,100 kilometres (680 mi) at a latitude of 77°N, near its northern margin. The mean altitude of the ice is 2,135 metres (7,005 ft). The thickness is generally more than 2 km (1.2 mi) and over 3 km (1.9 mi)"
From NASA (lima.naza,gov)
"Antarctica is the highest, driest, coldest, windiest and brightest of the seven continents. It is roughly the size of the United States and Mexico combined and is almost completely covered by a layer of ice that averages more than one mile in thickness, but is nearly three miles thick in places."
The northern ocean either freezing in the winter or melting in the summer has no affect on sea level. Dido the Southern Ocean. It is land based ice melting that contributed to sea level rise. Happily there is very little melting of land based ice. Most of the observed rise in sea level is due to thermal expansion. As the oceans warm they expand and the oceans were warming (recovering from the little ice age?) for most of the 20th century. Currently a heated debate is on going as to the rate of sea level rise. Some experts claim the current rate is 0 and others that it’s 4mm per year and accelerating. I’m not expert but the lower range fits my observations so without very good evidence I would believe at most 2mm/year of sea level rise. (I have Galveston Bay for a front yard so I am very aware of day to day sea level).
You’re right. Thanks!