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Seas Rise, Fla. GOP Leaders Balk at Climate Change
ABC News ^ | June 7, 2014 | By MICHAEL J. MISHAK

Posted on 06/07/2014 7:00:58 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Few places in the nation are more vulnerable to rising sea levels than low-lying South Florida. It's a tourist and retirement mecca built on drained swampland.

Other coastal states and the Obama administration are taking aggressive measures to battle the effects of global warming. But Florida's top Republican politicians are challenging the science and balking at government fixes.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: climategate; failure; hoax; socialism

1 posted on 06/07/2014 7:00:58 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Lucky beer.


2 posted on 06/07/2014 7:04:36 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

silly wagging tongues. the barnacles on the sea wall near me says it all. And they say nuthin has changed in over 25 years. Show me these rising seas.


3 posted on 06/07/2014 7:05:53 AM PDT by corkoman
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Where’d you get that picture of my girlfriend?


4 posted on 06/07/2014 7:06:13 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Washington DC was built on drained swampland.


5 posted on 06/07/2014 7:08:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The highest point above sea level in the state of Florida is / was 24' above. That was in 1977 when I went to flight school there.

I vacationed there at the same Vero Beach location last year and the reefs were more exposed at low tides and the beach water line was not any closer. That's more than 35 years of rising sea levels, which had not shown any rising sea levels.

Hmmmmmm............

6 posted on 06/07/2014 7:08:59 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Mean sea level rise: 3.28 mm/year.


7 posted on 06/07/2014 7:09:37 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Left unmentioned in this article is the FACT that as a major metropolitan area, Miami and its neighbors has been pumping out ground water for DECADES! Over-pumping beyond recharge rate is a known cause of land subsidence and thus a contributory causation of flooding.

I am not for a minute saying that this is the sole reason for flooding in the area but this reporter failing entirely to mention this little tidbit seems to show a single issue concern, perhaps from some briefing papers?


8 posted on 06/07/2014 7:10:56 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: driftdiver

Same with New Orleans. The sea level was higher than either of those cities 200 years ago.


9 posted on 06/07/2014 7:14:10 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: SES1066

Indeed it is, and what few people mention is that the more water you pump out, the more dissolution of the underlying limestone which occurs, and therefore more sinkholes, and a lowering of the ground. The general land under Florida is getting lower, not just the sea level rising.


10 posted on 06/07/2014 7:16:05 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: blackdog

Actually, the highest point in Florida is 345 ft above. Mt Britton near the Alabama boarder.

I live about 14 ft above sea level in coastal Georgia for now. Have noted no rise on the beach road that will flood during storms, but, hardly ever otherwise. At high tide it’s about 1 foot above the water level.

Soon, we plan on selling out and buying a sailboat, living in a local marina. I’ll be AT sea level then and I’ll keep track.


11 posted on 06/07/2014 7:18:20 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This morning as I look out at the Gulf Of Mexico and I can see Okaloosa Island. If the Globull Warming was real it would be under water...Guess what! it isn't

The Dimwits at AP/ABC shouldn't confuse possible erosion with Globull Warming.


12 posted on 06/07/2014 7:18:41 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What seal level rise? Chicken Little dashes about, exclaiming “The sky is falling! The sky is falling!”, but there is no independent confirmation of the phenomenon.

Wouldn’t that mean it would be unnecessary to dredge the harbor? And where is all this “extra” water coming from, a huge spring opened up on the seabed and suddenly more water is being poured into the ocean?

The Arctic and Antarctic sea ice cover is GROWING, which means even more water is being converted to the solid form, because of the overall LOSS of heat from the hydrosphere and atmosphere of the planet.


13 posted on 06/07/2014 7:18:52 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: driftdiver

How’s your girlfriend and my children doing?


14 posted on 06/07/2014 7:20:24 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Where’d you get that picture of my girlfriend?

my guess is that she is EVERYBODY'S girlfriend.

15 posted on 06/07/2014 7:25:27 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Yo-Yo

No wonder I don’t catch anything. Using the wrong bait. Tonight I will use Coors light. See if I can reel something in.


16 posted on 06/07/2014 7:25:29 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: blackdog
The highest point above sea level in the state of Florida is / was 24' above. That was in 1977 when I went to flight school there.

Given that I live in the Tampa Bay area and do not require flood insurance because I am higher than 65 ft above MSL, I think you dropped a significant digit here. The highest point in the Florida Peninsula is at Bok Tower in Lake Wales at 324 ft MSL while the very highest point is in the Panhandle west of Tallahassee at Britton Hill (345 ft).

Given that a storm surge from a hurricane can easily be 25-30 feet, your number would mean we all build on stilts even inland. The interior of the peninsula ranges up from 150 ft MSL.

17 posted on 06/07/2014 7:26:36 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: driftdiver
Washington DC was built on drained swampland.

Way past time for the swamp to reclaim its own.

18 posted on 06/07/2014 7:28:21 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: Morpheus2009

In the Phoenix valley, the large areas on the west side have subsided 18 feet in the last sixty years. Agricultural and domestic groundwater usage has taken the water from the aquifer and as the sponge looses water, it shrinks and the land is lower.


19 posted on 06/07/2014 7:28:43 AM PDT by KC Burke (Gowdy for Supreme Court)
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To: driftdiver

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls the climates of all its planets.

3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


20 posted on 06/07/2014 7:29:56 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Full-blown propaganda by the AP. Who else? Love how they cherry pick weather events and then roll them into their “global warming is causing it” meme.

Heavy summer storms temporarily flood numerous parts of FL. South Florida is not alone in this regard.


21 posted on 06/07/2014 7:30:54 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Melowese Richardson - Democrat Vote Fraud Expert)
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To: corkoman

The communist world dream... blaming your neighbor for breathing too much. If there is anything worse than a communist it is some one liepberal with communists, aka liberal communists, Democrats, RINOs etc...


22 posted on 06/07/2014 7:33:15 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Yo-Yo
Lucky beer.

Bush beer, no doubt.

23 posted on 06/07/2014 7:33:54 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The seas aren’t rising, it isn’t getting warmer. The polar caps aren’t disappearing, we are not having more hurricanes and the polar bears aren’t floating around lost on ice floes. This is no evidence that the things that the global warming alarmists have been warning us about for decades has happened. There is plenty of evidence, however, that these very same alarmists have doctored evidence to bolster their claims.


24 posted on 06/07/2014 7:42:57 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Again, how do you combat Mother Nature? She has an unbeaten record against humanity yet these idiot liberals think they can tame her through government spending. No, climate change is another in the long line of Democrat scam programs which add fresh millions to their bank accounts and give them more control over our lives.


25 posted on 06/07/2014 7:44:15 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
There is no better proof of the lie that the seas are rising than Al Gore who bought a $9 million SEASIDE mansion in California. Now if the prophet of global warming apocalypse who assured us that the rising seas would soon be inundating our coasts, buys a seaside mansion he obviously places no credence in his own prophecy and likely has the money to buy this $9 million mansion from perpetrating this hoax.
26 posted on 06/07/2014 7:56:20 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Yo-Yo

That’s still about 2 inches in 20 years.....and I’m not buying that either.


27 posted on 06/07/2014 7:59:05 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Climate change is as natural as the turning of the earth. Time, geography and topography cause climate change. How is it that the left has so effectively hi-jacked the term to mean “man caused, business created and white male Republican supported destruction of all life on planet earth”?


28 posted on 06/07/2014 8:00:42 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: VeniVidiVici

Let’s also look at the supposed “cause” of the “rising” sea level, which is melting of the polar ice caps. Both North and South ice caps barely represent 5% of the area of our oceans globally.

Scientists have been concerned that in recent years that the thickness of the ice caps has been as little as four to six feet, with ten to thirteen feet being a “safe” norm.

Somehow, they try to tell us that if the ice caps were to completely melt, that sea levels would rise by over three feet.

Hmmmm....if we’ve seen ice cap thicknesses more than 50% below than the norm in the last 20 years, wouldn’t that mean we should have had an 18” or greater rise in sea level? We’d certainly have know it and felt its effect if it happened....apparently it didn’t!

The sea-level change business can create a lot of concern if the data is selectively used. Rarely, both polar regions experience a simultaneous drop in sea ice, normally the Polar regions response independently of each other, because of very different geography. A quick look at a globe of the earth explains why. The North Pole is surrounded by land masses, with the only notable break being the Norwegian Sea. The South Pole region is surrounded by lots and lots of water.

To attempt to link what is happening to the North and South polar ice caps to a single issue like CO2 emissions is absurd, given the dynamics of the two regions are so different.

At almost any time in history, alarmists can find melting of one or the other polar ice caps. You may have noted that as polar ice in the Artic region has increased in recent years, the alarmists are now focusing on the Antartic region.

Cherry picking at its finest!


29 posted on 06/07/2014 8:10:46 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Yo-Yo
"Mean sea level rise: 3.28 mm/year."

Actually real sea level rise as measured by tidal gauges, is closer to 2 mm per year. The figure you quote is "adjusted" sea level rise. More then a few experts have issues with the methods use to "adjust" the data.

30 posted on 06/07/2014 8:11:54 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Seas Rise, Fla. GOP Leaders Balk at Climate Change”

Interesting headline for an article about heavy rain and not a single fact, study, or reference that any actual sea is actually rising anywhere on the planet.


31 posted on 06/07/2014 8:16:49 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; Yo-Yo; driftdiver

Ah think yuh gotta nibble there.

Let me hold yuh beer.


32 posted on 06/07/2014 8:18:42 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
"Together, the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets contain more than 99 percent of the freshwater ice on Earth. The Antarctic Ice Sheet extends almost 14 million square kilometers (5.4 million square miles), roughly the area of the contiguous United States and Mexico combined. The Antarctic Ice Sheet contains 30 million cubic kilometers (7.2 million cubic miles) of ice. The Greenland Ice Sheet extends about 1.7 million square kilometers (656,000 square miles), covering most of the island of Greenland, three times the size of Texas.

"Ice sheets contain enormous quantities of frozen water. If the Greenland Ice Sheet melted, scientists estimate that sea level would rise about 6 meters (20 feet). If the Antarctic Ice Sheet melted, sea level would rise by about 60 meters (200 feet)."

http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/quickfacts/icesheets.html

33 posted on 06/07/2014 8:18:52 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Sea level is pretty much unaffected by melting sea ice (it’s already floating). Just as the level in your glass of ice tea is unaffected by melting ice.


34 posted on 06/07/2014 8:23:30 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: dowcaet
Re: "...these idiot liberals think they can tame her through government spending."- dowcaet

Begs the question...what exactly does the government spend this money on to control Globull Warming? All I see is $$$$ for marketing globull warming concerns. Where is the money going?

35 posted on 06/07/2014 8:30:30 AM PDT by wtd
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Was just down at the Gulf a couple days ago, it’s in the exact same place it has always been.

Go figure.


36 posted on 06/07/2014 8:30:50 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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bookmark


37 posted on 06/07/2014 8:36:39 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (It's a single step from relativism to barbarism, low information to Democrat, ignorance to tenure)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Florida has had water management districts for decades. It’s doing well, and most of Broward county is being taken off the mandatory flood insurance list this year. I’m sure the government butt kissing weasels at ABC will mention this.


38 posted on 06/07/2014 8:45:28 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Good. Climate change is a hoax. If they believe it is real, the liberals all along the east coast of Florida can move back north and inland. Bye.


39 posted on 06/07/2014 8:49:23 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Conan the Librarian

I live in Florida - my backyard ends at a saltwater stream... high tides and low have been the same for 30 years... no change I can see.


40 posted on 06/07/2014 9:20:27 AM PDT by GOPJ (https://www.projectveritas.com/home/)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
To: MICHAEL J. MISHAK, ABC


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41 posted on 06/07/2014 9:46:32 AM PDT by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If the global warming elitists really believed this, then why do they continue to buy up exclusive beachfront properties in Florida?


42 posted on 06/07/2014 9:55:47 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Hoodat

Yep.

Look at what they do with their money OUTSIDE of participation in predictable government scams. That’ll tell what they truly believe.


43 posted on 06/07/2014 9:58:21 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jpsb

Thank you. Let me do some simple math with the numbers your source provided:

Total area of ice sheets, North and South = 6M Sq Mi
Total surface area of earth = 200M Sq Mi
Total surface area of water on the earth = 140M Sq Mi
Percentage of ice sheet area to total water area = 4.3%

For 4.3% of the earth’s surface to produce a combined total of 220 feet of sea level change would require an ice sheet with a average thickness of 5,116.2 feet.

That is significantly thicker than the thickest known ice shelves in Antartica (around 3,000 feet), but average thickness is less than half of that. It most certainly is much less that the artic cap.

I rounded figures conservatively, and you can apply earth’s curvature instead of figuring in linear miles, but that only makes the numbers worse for your argument.


44 posted on 06/07/2014 10:01:31 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: corkoman

Yesterday it was 111 here in NM desert! At 9 this morning, it was 98. Obviously a lotta global warming happening.


45 posted on 06/07/2014 10:02:17 AM PDT by jayrunner
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Paint the streets and roofs white, reflect back solar energy.

Things will cool down, and the ocean won’t flood your driveway in Ohio, and sharks won’t eat you.


46 posted on 06/07/2014 10:58:34 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
From wiki

"The Greenland ice sheet (Greenlandic: Sermersuaq) is a vast body of ice covering 1,710,000 square kilometres (660,000 sq mi), roughly 80% of the surface of Greenland. It is the second largest ice body in the world, after the Antarctic Ice Sheet. The ice sheet is almost 2,400 kilometres (1,500 mi) long in a north-south direction, and its greatest width is 1,100 kilometres (680 mi) at a latitude of 77°N, near its northern margin. The mean altitude of the ice is 2,135 metres (7,005 ft).[1] The thickness is generally more than 2 km (1.2 mi) and over 3 km (1.9 mi)"

From NASA (lima.naza,gov)

"Antarctica is the highest, driest, coldest, windiest and brightest of the seven continents. It is roughly the size of the United States and Mexico combined and is almost completely covered by a layer of ice that averages more than one mile in thickness, but is nearly three miles thick in places."

47 posted on 06/08/2014 5:51:07 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

The northern ocean either freezing in the winter or melting in the summer has no affect on sea level. Dido the Southern Ocean. It is land based ice melting that contributed to sea level rise. Happily there is very little melting of land based ice. Most of the observed rise in sea level is due to thermal expansion. As the oceans warm they expand and the oceans were warming (recovering from the little ice age?) for most of the 20th century. Currently a heated debate is on going as to the rate of sea level rise. Some experts claim the current rate is 0 and others that it’s 4mm per year and accelerating. I’m not expert but the lower range fits my observations so without very good evidence I would believe at most 2mm/year of sea level rise. (I have Galveston Bay for a front yard so I am very aware of day to day sea level).


48 posted on 06/08/2014 6:09:56 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: jpsb

You’re right. Thanks!


49 posted on 06/08/2014 12:46:21 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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