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The Radical Practicality of Reparations (A reply to David Frum)
The Atlantic ^ | 6/4/2014 | Ta-Nehisi Coates

Posted on 06/07/2014 10:03:40 AM PDT by John S Mosby

"David Frum has posted a rebuttal to my argument in favor of reparations. I appreciate David's engagement with the issue. I often miss the old days when The Atlantic's writers would engage each other in running debate, so I'm happy for the chance to get back into that kind of conversation here. On y va. David grounds his rebuttal in The Philadelphia Plan, an affirmative action program that David believes qualifies as reparations. I disagree. " Yada Yada Yada.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bergdahl; clowardpiven
It is not enough for jackasses like this, that over 600K Americans fought a war and gave their lives over issues that included the future of this perpetually renewing permanent institutional underclass looking for "reparations". An expanded Pigford settlement based on pigmentation. At a time when 92 million Americans are not working (for many reasons, greatly caused by this very "admin" and their intent of policy).

How odd that generations of other minorities/ethnic backgrounds have risen from nothing with the opportunity that a free United States provided-- and prospered.

Meanwhile "wah, wah, wah" -- is what we hear from the professional baiters of the self failures of the world-- widened to incorporate all of the "downtrodden" even newly "arrived" legally or not.

FReepers-- Cloward Piven is in full throttle mode with the time remaining before impeachment. The VA, Guantanamo/Bergdahl taliban situation, Afghan "withdrawal", obamaumaocare (intended to fail to drive to single payer making everyone govt. dependent, overloading the system), compromised multiple federal agencies (and corrupt ones-- EPA,HUD...e.g.), and the drug cartels of Mexico working in concert with obamaumao and his lackeys to flood the borders with their victim's children (Remember Castro and the mental patients/criminals he dumped on Jimmah Cahtah?) overloading the hand-tied Border Patrol/ICE and dropping this in AZ's lap. This is just a partial checklist, if one does a top to bottom analysis.

The intent by the "operative in chief" (and his "cop", holder) is to actuate the failure of our institutions in order to have a populace that in desperation turns to the replacement govt. which is communist/marxist.

They think they can do this-- we must stop them-- all of us inside and outside the govts. federal and local.

De Tocqueville and Jefferson were right.

1 posted on 06/07/2014 10:03:40 AM PDT by John S Mosby
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To: John S Mosby

Blacks have been getting reparations, and in the trillions. It’s called Welfare.


2 posted on 06/07/2014 10:08:24 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
The dumping of illegal immigrants in Arizona is classic Cloward-Piven.


3 posted on 06/07/2014 10:10:51 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

and affirmative action


4 posted on 06/07/2014 10:10:59 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: John S Mosby

So, please all here— systemically we have to say “no” and expose it. The democrat party has LOT to answer for. And even Jimmah has bad things to say (well he would for his own rear end legacy) about obamaumao.

Cloward Piven has to be exposed everytime any institution is doing it. Call it failure of competence, because it certainly is not lack of funding.

And always.. look to whom are underwriting this takeover, who will be there to buy when as the Rothschilds said “the blood runs in the streets”.


5 posted on 06/07/2014 10:18:11 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby
I'm all in favor of making the Democrats pay reparations for slavery. In fact, the Democrats should also have to pay Republicans for the costs ensured in ending slavery, and later in civil rights.

So Nancy, when are you going to pay me my reparations?

6 posted on 06/07/2014 10:19:17 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: John S Mosby

ah, just go ahead and write the checks

The CBO has quietly packed up its tent this week anyway
They kinda announced under the radar that they can’t do their job.
They cannot anymore try to calculate the cost of obamcare
So what’s a couple trillion more for reparations?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/06/05/cbo-by-the-way-we-can-no-longer-score-obamacares-fiscal-impact-n1847785

The debt was supposedly under $15 trillion at start of o’bozo’s second term. Now it is what? $17.5 trillion? With no rasist budget or ceiling?

Just cut the govt checks and done with it. Make every person of color a millionaire. Think of San Fran Nan’s orgasm over the stimulative effect of huge welfare payouts on our economy...lets all just have have what she’s having

and have a shelter in-place or bug-out plan in place when those govt/ponzi checks start bouncing. Learn from Venezuela, Argentina, Zimbabwe, Weimar Germany. After all, it’s now a multipolar world


7 posted on 06/07/2014 10:22:30 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Thank you for pointing out the sometimes not so obvious obvious...

Nobody sane begrudges a person a fair chance or even a better than fair chance, on the basis of color.

The trouble here for us palefaces is that our dear black brothers and sisters threw their lunch on the ground then complained it was stolen from them. We can’t presume to feed an acute gravitational pit, aka black hole.

I want to bet you something, brothers and sisters — if you quit investing your souls in the “God damn America” people and started investing them in “God bless America” then guess what... everybody is going to get blessed. You too. It’s an old biblical promise, from a Christ that nobody has recorded exactly what color He was (quite possibly a swarthy Jew who was as black looking as Caucasian). Give something up for Me and I’ll reward you far more.

But these grudge matches have to STOP! They are insanity and they come from hell’s demons that are equal opportunity haters.


8 posted on 06/07/2014 10:27:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: silverleaf
ah, just go ahead and write the checks
I have an idea how to figure out the number that should be on the check: Take the average net worth of an American black, then see how much higher the average net worth of people in those African countries are where the slaves typically came from. Then pay them the difference: African_networth - American_networth.
9 posted on 06/07/2014 10:30:27 AM PDT by cartan
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To: silverleaf

The only checks that won’t bounce are the checks of heaven.

New evangelism will be needed. Yes, this means that white people might (probably will) have to go some second miles. But this ought to be private, not governmental.

If a political sphere help for this needed to be done, I’d suggest a radical change to the tax rules. Instead of tax DEDUCTIONS for such things as evangelistic charity, make them tax CREDITS. To make everyone happy, this could be explicitly “religion blind.” It would not matter if it was secular or atheistic or Jewish or Muslim or Christian charity. Of course a huge helping of humble pie would have to be eaten by government in order to get it to where it would admit that social programs can be done better by volunteers.


10 posted on 06/07/2014 10:33:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: John S Mosby
Ubama's economic policies are "reparations," only his goal is not to enrich Eric Holder's people, but to impoverish non-Eric Holder's people to their same level.

The hallmark of Eric Holder's people is that they spend money the instant it comes into their hot little hands.

The purpose of Ubama's policies is to make everybody live like that.

11 posted on 06/07/2014 10:33:16 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Fair but miserable.


12 posted on 06/07/2014 10:34:56 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: John S Mosby

330,000 WHITE UNION military knowingly went to their deaths to FREE the African American slaves during the Civil War, they FOLLOWED the directives and emancipation orders of their government, a government THEY ELECTED. I have never heard an establishment, professional, progressive/ African-American, or White Progressive ever ACKNOWLEDGE, much less “thank” these dead men for their sacrifices, nor recognize the 260,000 White Union military who were wounded and/or grievously disabled, nor the widows, nor the children, nor the families of the military who also suffered.
REMEMBER WHY THEY DIED, The professional hate baiters will not. F’M.


13 posted on 06/07/2014 10:41:35 AM PDT by BilLies (sharyl attkisson is alive and well HOORAY!!!!!)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

The WaPo opinion page has a mention of this article, and the comments there are truly hilarious, from the confirmed agents of the plantation handout federals, down to the really ticked off whites and blacks who say this no way to go and is unsustainable and as such is some other agenda— namely Cloward Piven and the Comintern playbook from the 50s and 60s to perpetuate the wedge issue of class/race warfare for the greater good of the chaos it would cause.


14 posted on 06/07/2014 10:41:58 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: cartan

I think the USA tried to correct its sins and restore people to their homeland with an experiment called “Liberia” a hundred years ago

I don’t see folks clamoring to live there now

In fact.....


15 posted on 06/07/2014 10:46:03 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

If I recall correctly, there was a rally in favor of reparations a few years ago. And some singer sang “The Reparations Rap”. And the chorus of the song goes: “I want my mon-eee, I want my mon-eee”.

These people are absurd. Yet because we are so politically correct and afraid of being called racist, we are supposed to treat these people with respect and listen to their point of view as if they deserve a respectful hearing.

Can’t wait to hear if Obama ever weighs in on this.


16 posted on 06/07/2014 10:55:04 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: John S Mosby

It’s 2014 for the love of God, the issue of slavery was settled long before anyone alive was born. Talking about reparations today is as silly as talking about compensating former-slaveholders for unconstitutionally depriving them of property.

If we’re going to start a crusade to correct injustices suffered by persons long-since-dead, and punish living people for the actions of persons long-dead that may or may not have been related... well then I’ve got some civil suits I’d like to file against the U.K. and the Vatican. Many people alive might have standing under those rules to challenge modern-day Italy for the actions of the Roman Empire and Republic before it.


17 posted on 06/07/2014 11:00:31 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: John S Mosby

Interesting that this Reparations issue should come up at this time.

It may well signal that the commies believe that they can push something like this through, either with Obama in office or with Hilary. The real question is how can they do it without Congress. Or perhaps they can take Congress.

Either way, if Reparations for da’ Black Man gets passed, it will be the ultimate ruination of the US; we will witness it passing into something that more resembles the South Africa of North America, which I’ve noted is the dream of the likes of Melissa Harris-Perry and her following.

If they get this started up and it looks like it’ll fly, Whitey won’t be able to get out fast enough! Run Forest, RUN!


18 posted on 06/07/2014 11:31:14 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: John S Mosby
Of course this is absurd. But given recent history they will probably get it. The left seems to get everything it wants eventually accept when it comes to corporate issues.It is as if the GOPE trades everything to get there tax cuts and crony capitalism benefits from the Dem's.
19 posted on 06/07/2014 12:19:25 PM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: John S Mosby

So they want to take money from the descendents of people who didn’t have slaves, and give it to people who were never slaves.
This is illegal and unconstitutional.


20 posted on 06/07/2014 12:28:14 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I'm all in favor of making the Democrats pay reparations for slavery.

Let's charge the black community, as a whole, for the high level of black crime.

21 posted on 06/07/2014 1:33:27 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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