Skip to comments.Sen. King: Taliban at Gitmo Will Be Released Soon, Adding Pressure to Deal Now
Posted on 06/07/2014 10:09:43 AM PDT by Hoodat
According to a Senator who has been defending the administration's deal for Bowe Bergdahl, the 5 Taliban prisoners would have been freed sometime soon anyway, making this our last chance to get something for them. Senator Angus King, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, said this at the end of his interview with CNN Thursday:
There's one other very important point that needs to get out there. There is a reasonable legal argument that these five guys would have had to be released any way within the next year under the law of war. They were being held in Guantanamo as enemy combatants. Under the law of war, when hostility cease, enemy combatants have to be released. Now, we could have argued we held them under other authority or civilian authority, but there's a reasonable argument this may have been the last chance to get Bergdahl where these guys had true value to us as a negotiating tool, because if they had to be released anyway, we'd be in the same situation without Bowe Bergdahl home.
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There is nothing reasonable about his argument. Yet it is worth noting to see the lengths that some will go to in order to defend the indefensible. And obviously, King deems it worthwhile to expend his own political capital in doing so. To him, saving Obama's legacy must be worth it no matter how much he must lie to do so.
Islam’s war against civilization is FAR from over.
“Under the law of war, when hostility cease, enemy combatants have to be released.”
Does he actually think that just because Obama is abandoning Afghanistan that the Taliban will stop trying to kill every non-Muslim on earth?
I will get flamed, but just want to make this point.
We have never actually declared war on anyone since World War II.
We never declared war on Iraq, or the Taliban, or Afghanistan, or Al Qaeda, or any other terror groups or individuals.
Legally speaking, I just wonder what the legal status of things are, considering that we are not officially at war, so wonder how the laws of warfare apply here.
Flame away. I’m just asking questions which I don’t know the answers to. I think we should have actually declared war, but, for whatever reasons, we never did.
So, this mental giant from Maine thinks the Taliban and such groups are following the “laws of war”, or the Geneva Conventions. I don’t think these five and their fellow travelers qualify for, let alone follow, the GC, which is one reason a special prison was set up for them outside the US.
So why did our blood and treasure waste their time and their lives to capture these illegal enemy combatants in the first place if our traitorous leaders were just going to turn them loose?
This country has turned to absolute poop ;/
The Taliban doesn't have a problem killing muslims either. Two of the prisoners that Obama just set free were wanted by the UN for war crimes, specifically the mass slaughter of over a thousand Shiite muslims.
What will Linda Graham have to say about potential IMPEACHMENT? Or is a notification to Congress just going to give the clown approval? A pox on all of you up there in the District of Corruption. Gitmo is there for a very good reason - outside the USA.
Keep telling lies until you have enough for the media to use in your defense.
Think about it. We paid millions to get Bergdahl back, but really it was money laundering thru the whitehouse.
Islam knows Obama wants to close Gitmo in the worst way. The value of the detainees is inverse at this point.
Good questions, I don’t know either....
Sad thing is, Obama is only a sub-par chess player. He thinks a move or two ahead.
Trouble is, Congress thinks about three moves behind.
Obama comes off looking like a genius.
The release of these people in GitMo will cost tens of thousands of lives.
It’s war crime level abuse of power IMO.
Jeez. We’re screwed. Totally and without question with these people in office.
Lesson, learned? In the future, kill all of them and take no prisoners.
“We never declared war on Iraq, or the Taliban, or Afghanistan, or Al Qaeda, or any other terror groups or individuals.”
Which I’ve been wondering—since it is not a declared war, do VA benefits transfer to the deceased vet’s surviving spouse? As far as I know, this doesn’t happen.
I know my grandmother never got a dime after my grandfather died (veteran fought against Poncho Villa and the Moros in the Philippines).
And I understand neither will my mother—Dad a combat vet of Korea.
I think whatever rules or agreements there are that govern war and prisoners are between nations, and not terrorists or other non-governmental groups. And I think one requirement to be covered by those agreements is that the combatants wear the uniform of a specific nation.
Little if anything about these terrorists groups fall under any agreements between nations, and the terrorists groups sure aren't following any "laws of war".
You are holding prisoners of war, who are not enemy combatants in a state on state war. You then announce your goal is to get them released and home. Now if that is the case, of what value would they be to their home state or organization? The answer is of none actually! The home state or organization is now in a position to demand a reverse ransom.
If Obama were genuine in his negotiations and really wanted something of value for Gitmo detainees, he would be publicly declaring they will never be allowed to see the light of day. As a matter of fact, we may be considering executing them, just to test their value.
My guess is that pretty soon any cargo ship headed to an Islamic nation will be required to have three free Gitmo detainees in exchange for docking rights to unload their goods.
In my understanding the authorization for use of military force did not use the words, indicating that it was a declaration of war. That was the basis for my wondering if these military conflicts actually are considered wars, legally speaking.
In my understanding, the votes in Congress for other wars, suc as World War I and World War II, did specifically use the words that we were declaring that a state of war existed between ourselves and other nations.
Anyone else who can shed light on this, please do so. Of course we know that troops fought and died in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. My questions had to do with whether these conflicts were officially considered states of war.
No flames from me.
Obama acts like he held a dinner party and has some guests that won’t leave, so he called their relatives to ask to take them back. The relatives would only take them back for $20 million and some stupid white bread yankee who will smokescreen the $20 million with some Rose Garden looney jibber-jabber from his father, taking off the focus.
The US has signed certain international agreements related to military conflicts such as the Geneva Conventions. A declaration of war by the US is not necessary for those conventions to apply. All signatories of the GC are bound by them, and reading in Wiki, international bodies try to extend the authority of the GC to non-signatories such as terrorists and parties to internal civil wars.
It sounds as if the UN and International courts try to apply the conventions to most all conflicts, but how successful they are varies widely. But based on how the terrorists groups operate, there is little reason they should be covered by the GC, and no reason to think they ever abide by them. Targeting civilians, a major terrorist tactic, is absolutely prohibited by the GC.
The final paragraph at this link titled “The Geneva Conventions today” sounds like a pretty good summary.
Hostilities have not ceased we are just cutting out and leaving. The Taliban are just a bunch of terrorists not a nation state.
Looking back at the previous week, Obama was embroiled in the VA scandal. Since then, he has embarked on improving his image among the military. This includes:
I don’t see anything ‘crypto’ here. It is blatantly obvious.
But he doesn’t CALL himself one.
We may decide that we are not at war with them but BOTH sides have to come to the same conclusion for it to have any meaning. IOW the WAR ain't over till the fat muslim sings.
The way we are fighting it, capture and release, the war against terrorism will never end.
When someone has declared war on you, it really wont matter what declarations you make in response. You are at WAR whether you like it or not.
Not if the military trials had concluded they had committed crimes against humanity - but - alas - that was not to be.
Ollie North was on the Hugh Hewitt show yesterday. North said that he was consulted by someone high in the administration during the hostage negotiation. North has experience with hostage negotiations from his time in the Reagan Administration.
North said that the discussion over Bergdahl’s release was always about money. The people holding him were never interested in a hostage exchange. So when exactly did this become a hostage exchange, and exactly how much money did we give them for Bergdahl?
I agree. I would say he’s clueless, but you can’t do this much harm without trying.
I think you make some valid points here.
At this point, pretty much all he does is position related.
Each infraction seems to be at a higher level, because the last one was so bad he needed to up the anti to take the public’s mind off of it.
The guy acts like nine year old pushing the boundaries due to neglectful parents. He’s just seeking attention, by any means possible.
He’s still suffering from the missing father syndrome.
Now who’s to step in and slap the snot-nosed kid?
THAT is the problem. Nobody!
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Yes, you’re right. There are times when I don’t pay as close attention as I should. And there are times when I simply don’t know the difference.
This was an oversight. Thank you.
My husband served during Nam. He qualified for a VA loan and can go to the VA hospital for dr appointments.
These Taliban vermin are unlawful enemy combatants... Not subject to the "Laws of War"
My question is, can surviving spouses of veterans, of undeclared wars, be able to tap into VA benefits when the vet passes? My grandmother couldn’t because my grandfather fought in two undeclared wars.
There is no legal status in the US anymore. With the judiciary overturning any laws that the DC crowd doesn't like, with invaders being given driver's licenses and just about any freebee they could imagine, with a Department of Education that now controls what children can learn, with an out of control banking system that makes the wealthy wealtier while impoverishing the rest of us, with the US funding terrorists to fight and topple elected govs overseas. law doesn't have anything to do with it.
The idea that Obama would feel compelled to release terrorists because he was told by some entity he had to is just not something he'd be likely to respond to.....unless he felt like it.
Angus, if they are enemy combatants, where are their uniforms?
Then, no Geneva Convention protections.
Newby King knows more about Gitmo than Senators Feinstein, McCain, Graham, and others on the Intelligence Committee?
I think not.