Skip to comments.Russian leadership backs restoration of Stalingrad name
Posted on 06/07/2014 2:00:03 PM PDT by Perdogg
Russia's deputy prime minister called on Saturday for the name Stalingrad to be restored to the city that was the site of a key World War II battle against the Nazis.
"I never doubted the need to give back great Stalingrad its name. Not for the sake of Stalin, but for the sake of the Stalingraders," Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin wrote on Twitter.
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Back to the USSR
Then will St. Petersburg revert to Leningrad??? If we continue with the Soviet nostalgia????
Frozenfreakinghell is already taken?
If they want to revert to its ORIGINAL name, it’s Tsaritsyn.
Only communists and fascists try to bury history.
The behavior of the residents during siege of Stalingrad was one of the brightest episodes in pure human courage and endurance ever.
Yes, but it earned its place in history as Stalingrad.
Ironically, the person in charge of Stalingrad’s defense, Nikita Khrushchev, was the one who decided to change the name in 1961.
Rename Istanbul back to Constantinople, and you got yourself a deal.
I’m shooting for Hitlerville...Maotown....PolPotcity...
Lenin is responsible for loss of territories during his brief (4 years?) rule; essentially, he surrendered huge territories so that his regime, not competent militarily and not capable of fighting a strong opponent, could survive. Lenin, a third rate lawyer and populist, one who hurt Russia to elevate himself, has no chance in this competition with Peter the Great - who hurt himself to elevate Russia.
Khrushchev hated Stalin, the first thing he did when he got in power was give a 4 hour speech about how terrible Stalin’s personality cult was, condemning forced resettlements, etc..
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That’s no one’s business but the Turks...
During Khrushchev’s speech denouncing Stalin, someone shouted out, ‘Well if he was so bad, why didn’t you get rid of him?’ And Khrushchev stopped and said,’ Who said that?’ And there was silence in the hall. So he repeated himself. Who said that?’ And there was still silence, and he said, ‘Well, now you understand why we didn’t do anything.’
Russia meant nothing to Lenin, he wanted World Revolution.
Was Hitlerville already taken? Mansonberg? Mao City?
To save everyone from having to go to the link.
“”On Friday, President Vladimir Putin responded positively to a request by a Soviet veteran at the D-Day commemorations in France for the city — now called Volgograd — to return to its wartime name.””
Their country. They can call their cities anything they want.
Yes, but it gives an indication of where their country is going ideologically when they start renaming their cities after mass murderers and communist dictators.
It should go back to Stalingrad —for History in nothing else. Tyrants like Stalin need to be remembered—their evil must be remembered so that it not happen again.
If Hitler rechristianed Munich as Hitlerstadt, it would be unthinkable to change it back to that name in 2014, even when the city under that name became the site of a pivotal turning point in history.
As far as Stalin is concerned, he is in the same league as Hitler. He can be remembered in the history books and in the museums, not in a way that is typically used to honour heroes.
Khrushchev didn’t really denounce Stalin per se, he was attacking the destructive policies that were not helping Russia at the time, especially after the war. But he was as every bit as evil as Stalin was. Think of Stalin as Fidel Castro, and Khrushchev as his more “moderate” brother.
Absolutely. And we should definitely take note of that fact. However, outside of that, there’s not too much we can do.
When Obama renames’s our capitol city “Obamagrad” we can protest.
I get it.
Lots of very good reasons to hate Stalin
I agree with you.
Khrushchev hated Stalin, said one mass murderer to another ...
“As far as Stalin is concerned, he is in the same league as Hitler” as they were both mass murderers. However, when it came to their avocation, Stalin made Hitler look like an amateur ...
Vladimir Putin cracks down on historians and Ukraine invasion critics
So then according to you if one doesn't want their city named after a communist murdering tyrant, then they are a communist or a fascist who is trying to bury history?
My apologies, you were actually defending reverting back to the name Tsaritsyn.
~Khrushchev hated Stalin, the first thing he did when he got in power was give a 4 hour speech about how terrible Stalins personality cult was, condemning forced resettlements, etc..~
I doubt that he really hated uncle Joe.
Khruschev was a first Soviet liberal, a kind of proto-Obama.
He was simply in need of his own G.W.B. and Stalin was a perfect figure to excercise this model.
Just imagine Obama could have had Stalin, not Bush as a predecessor. He could have burned Constitution and Bill of Rights none would say a word as far as Alaskian Gulag could have been closed as part of a goodwilll policy.
~If Hitler rechristianed Munich as Hitlerstadt, it would be unthinkable to change it back to that name in 2014, even when the city under that name became the site of a pivotal turning point in history.
As far as Stalin is concerned, he is in the same league as Hitler. He can be remembered in the history books and in the museums, not in a way that is typically used to honour heroes.~
Now imagine Hitler has one The War. Hitlerstadt sounds more appealing in this case, isn’t it?
No. That city made its name as Stalingrad during the siege.
If you can find an instance of comparable courage and resolve under the name Tsaritsyn, then I will entertain the possibility of reverting to that name.
A country that doesn’t remember its villains, and doesn’t learn the lessons of how those villains got into power, is doomed to grow new crops of villains.
(although it would satisfy my sense of irony if Stalin got the selfsame airbrush treatment he gave so many of his contemporaries)...
Wow. So then you were defending the name Stalingrad.
So then my first response to you stands.
There are better ways to be reminded of a communist murdering tyrant than to revert a cities name back to the tyrants name.
We understand each other perfectly.
Although we do strongly disagree. That's sorta the whole point of free speech and open debate, isn't it?
I wasn't questioning your first amendment rights.
Yep. But there isn’t a way to honestly and historically accurately discuss the horrors of the siege and the spirit needed to endure them while calling the place Happygrad.
Should we rename Dachau?
I was asserting yours.
One doesn't need to have the modern day city named Stalingrad to remember accurately the horror of the siege.
And of course it was Stalin himself who besieged the people of Ukraine AND Russia.
Do you also take the position that the folks in Ukraine should proudly display swastikas because there was a brief moment in history when the Nazis were seen as liberators in Ukraine from the tyranny of Stalin???
"I agree. Only communists and fascists try to bury history."
I had said:
"I agree. It is a hallmark of communism and fascism to try to bury history."?
Using the absolute "only" was an overstatement...
Asserting my first amendment rights in and of itself is fine and dandy.
But you were asserting my first amendment rights with an undeserved rhetorical question.
Suit yourself. Feel free to fill out a butthurt report.
Gimme a minute!