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Russian leadership backs restoration of Stalingrad name
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Posted on 06/07/2014 2:00:03 PM PDT by Perdogg

Russia's deputy prime minister called on Saturday for the name Stalingrad to be restored to the city that was the site of a key World War II battle against the Nazis.

"I never doubted the need to give back great Stalingrad its name. Not for the sake of Stalin, but for the sake of the Stalingraders," Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin wrote on Twitter.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: crimea; military; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 06/07/2014 2:00:03 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 06/07/2014 2:00:18 PM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

Back to the USSR


3 posted on 06/07/2014 2:02:21 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Perdogg

Then will St. Petersburg revert to Leningrad??? If we continue with the Soviet nostalgia????


4 posted on 06/07/2014 2:27:27 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: Perdogg

Frozenfreakinghell is already taken?


5 posted on 06/07/2014 2:41:35 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Perdogg

If they want to revert to its ORIGINAL name, it’s Tsaritsyn.


6 posted on 06/07/2014 2:51:32 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Perdogg
I never doubted the need to give back great Stalingrad its name. Not for the sake of Stalin, but for the sake of the Stalingraders

I agree.

Only communists and fascists try to bury history.

The behavior of the residents during siege of Stalingrad was one of the brightest episodes in pure human courage and endurance ever.

7 posted on 06/07/2014 2:53:03 PM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: Argus

Yes, but it earned its place in history as Stalingrad.


8 posted on 06/07/2014 2:54:00 PM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: Perdogg

Ironically, the person in charge of Stalingrad’s defense, Nikita Khrushchev, was the one who decided to change the name in 1961.


9 posted on 06/07/2014 2:54:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: null and void

Rename Istanbul back to Constantinople, and you got yourself a deal.


10 posted on 06/07/2014 2:57:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Perdogg

I’m shooting for Hitlerville...Maotown....PolPotcity...


11 posted on 06/07/2014 3:02:38 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Then will St. Petersburg revert to Leningrad?

Lenin is responsible for loss of territories during his brief (4 years?) rule; essentially, he surrendered huge territories so that his regime, not competent militarily and not capable of fighting a strong opponent, could survive. Lenin, a third rate lawyer and populist, one who hurt Russia to elevate himself, has no chance in this competition with Peter the Great - who hurt himself to elevate Russia.

12 posted on 06/07/2014 3:07:11 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: dfwgator

Khrushchev hated Stalin, the first thing he did when he got in power was give a 4 hour speech about how terrible Stalin’s personality cult was, condemning forced resettlements, etc..


13 posted on 06/07/2014 3:07:18 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: dfwgator

Why did Constantinople get the works?
That’s no one’s business but the Turks...


14 posted on 06/07/2014 3:08:09 PM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: Mount Athos

During Khrushchev’s speech denouncing Stalin, someone shouted out, ‘Well if he was so bad, why didn’t you get rid of him?’ And Khrushchev stopped and said,’ Who said that?’ And there was silence in the hall. So he repeated himself. Who said that?’ And there was still silence, and he said, ‘Well, now you understand why we didn’t do anything.’


15 posted on 06/07/2014 3:42:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Greysard

Russia meant nothing to Lenin, he wanted World Revolution.


16 posted on 06/07/2014 3:43:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Perdogg

Was Hitlerville already taken? Mansonberg? Mao City?


17 posted on 06/07/2014 3:51:06 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Perdogg

To save everyone from having to go to the link.

“”On Friday, President Vladimir Putin responded positively to a request by a Soviet veteran at the D-Day commemorations in France for the city — now called Volgograd — to return to its wartime name.””


18 posted on 06/07/2014 3:59:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Perdogg

Their country. They can call their cities anything they want.


19 posted on 06/07/2014 4:23:36 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Ronin

Yes, but it gives an indication of where their country is going ideologically when they start renaming their cities after mass murderers and communist dictators.


20 posted on 06/07/2014 4:37:53 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: null and void

It should go back to Stalingrad —for History in nothing else. Tyrants like Stalin need to be remembered—their evil must be remembered so that it not happen again.


21 posted on 06/07/2014 4:38:01 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

If Hitler rechristianed Munich as Hitlerstadt, it would be unthinkable to change it back to that name in 2014, even when the city under that name became the site of a pivotal turning point in history.

As far as Stalin is concerned, he is in the same league as Hitler. He can be remembered in the history books and in the museums, not in a way that is typically used to honour heroes.


22 posted on 06/07/2014 4:52:36 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Mount Athos; dfwgator

Khrushchev didn’t really denounce Stalin per se, he was attacking the destructive policies that were not helping Russia at the time, especially after the war. But he was as every bit as evil as Stalin was. Think of Stalin as Fidel Castro, and Khrushchev as his more “moderate” brother.


23 posted on 06/07/2014 5:42:03 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Corporate Democrat

Absolutely. And we should definitely take note of that fact. However, outside of that, there’s not too much we can do.

When Obama renames’s our capitol city “Obamagrad” we can protest.


24 posted on 06/07/2014 8:21:25 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Perdogg
"I never doubted the need to give back great Stalingrad its name. Not for the sake of Stalin, but for the sake of the Stalingraders,"

I get it.

25 posted on 06/07/2014 9:57:20 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Mount Athos

Lots of very good reasons to hate Stalin


26 posted on 06/07/2014 10:00:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: null and void

I agree with you.


27 posted on 06/08/2014 12:00:01 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Mount Athos

Khrushchev hated Stalin, said one mass murderer to another ...


28 posted on 06/08/2014 5:04:26 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Corporate Democrat

“As far as Stalin is concerned, he is in the same league as Hitler” as they were both mass murderers. However, when it came to their avocation, Stalin made Hitler look like an amateur ...


29 posted on 06/08/2014 5:07:00 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Perdogg; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Perdogg.

Vladimir Putin cracks down on historians and Ukraine invasion critics
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3164964/posts


30 posted on 06/08/2014 6:58:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: null and void
I agree. Only communists and fascists try to bury history.

Unbelievable.

So then according to you if one doesn't want their city named after a communist murdering tyrant, then they are a communist or a fascist who is trying to bury history?

31 posted on 06/08/2014 8:02:27 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: null and void

My apologies, you were actually defending reverting back to the name Tsaritsyn.


32 posted on 06/08/2014 8:05:00 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Mount Athos; dfwgator

~Khrushchev hated Stalin, the first thing he did when he got in power was give a 4 hour speech about how terrible Stalin’s personality cult was, condemning forced resettlements, etc..~

I doubt that he really hated uncle Joe.
Khruschev was a first Soviet liberal, a kind of proto-Obama.
He was simply in need of his own G.W.B. and Stalin was a perfect figure to excercise this model.
Just imagine Obama could have had Stalin, not Bush as a predecessor. He could have burned Constitution and Bill of Rights none would say a word as far as Alaskian Gulag could have been closed as part of a goodwilll policy.


33 posted on 06/08/2014 8:05:15 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Corporate Democrat

~If Hitler rechristianed Munich as Hitlerstadt, it would be unthinkable to change it back to that name in 2014, even when the city under that name became the site of a pivotal turning point in history.

As far as Stalin is concerned, he is in the same league as Hitler. He can be remembered in the history books and in the museums, not in a way that is typically used to honour heroes.~

Now imagine Hitler has one The War. Hitlerstadt sounds more appealing in this case, isn’t it?


34 posted on 06/08/2014 8:09:48 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: FreeReign

No. That city made its name as Stalingrad during the siege.

If you can find an instance of comparable courage and resolve under the name Tsaritsyn, then I will entertain the possibility of reverting to that name.


35 posted on 06/08/2014 8:24:32 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: FreeReign

A country that doesn’t remember its villains, and doesn’t learn the lessons of how those villains got into power, is doomed to grow new crops of villains.

(although it would satisfy my sense of irony if Stalin got the selfsame airbrush treatment he gave so many of his contemporaries)...


36 posted on 06/08/2014 8:30:03 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: null and void
No. That city made its name as Stalingrad during the siege. If you can find an instance of comparable courage and resolve under the name Tsaritsyn, then I will entertain the possibility of reverting to that name.

Wow. So then you were defending the name Stalingrad.

So then my first response to you stands.

37 posted on 06/08/2014 8:34:05 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: null and void
A country that doesn’t remember its villains, and doesn’t learn the lessons of how those villains got into power, is doomed to grow new crops of villains.

There are better ways to be reminded of a communist murdering tyrant than to revert a cities name back to the tyrants name.

38 posted on 06/08/2014 8:37:34 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Wow. So then you were defending the name Stalingrad.

YES! exactly!

We understand each other perfectly.

Although we do strongly disagree. That's sorta the whole point of free speech and open debate, isn't it?

39 posted on 06/08/2014 8:37:37 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: null and void
Although we do strongly disagree. That's sorta the whole point of free speech and open debate, isn't it?

I wasn't questioning your first amendment rights.

40 posted on 06/08/2014 8:40:24 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Yep. But there isn’t a way to honestly and historically accurately discuss the horrors of the siege and the spirit needed to endure them while calling the place Happygrad.

Should we rename Dachau?


41 posted on 06/08/2014 8:41:22 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: FreeReign
I wasn't questioning your first amendment rights.

I was asserting yours.

42 posted on 06/08/2014 8:42:07 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: null and void
Yep. But there isn’t a way to honestly and historically accurately discuss the horrors of the siege and the spirit needed to endure them while calling the place Happygrad.

One doesn't need to have the modern day city named Stalingrad to remember accurately the horror of the siege.

And of course it was Stalin himself who besieged the people of Ukraine AND Russia.

Do you also take the position that the folks in Ukraine should proudly display swastikas because there was a brief moment in history when the Nazis were seen as liberators in Ukraine from the tyranny of Stalin???

43 posted on 06/08/2014 8:58:10 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Would we be closer if instead of:

"I agree. Only communists and fascists try to bury history."

I had said:

"I agree. It is a hallmark of communism and fascism to try to bury history."?

Using the absolute "only" was an overstatement...

44 posted on 06/08/2014 9:00:15 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: null and void
I was asserting yours.

Asserting my first amendment rights in and of itself is fine and dandy.

But you were asserting my first amendment rights with an undeserved rhetorical question.

No thanks.

45 posted on 06/08/2014 9:01:07 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Point taken.


46 posted on 06/08/2014 9:01:17 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: FreeReign

Suit yourself. Feel free to fill out a butthurt report.


47 posted on 06/08/2014 9:02:09 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: null and void
Suit yourself. Feel free to fill out a butthurt report.

LOL. What?

48 posted on 06/08/2014 9:08:15 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Gimme a minute!


49 posted on 06/08/2014 9:10:46 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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To: FreeReign
Enjoy!


50 posted on 06/08/2014 9:12:29 AM PDT by null and void (Fascists never think they're fascists. They just think everybody should obey them.)
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