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VA health care nominee withdraws
Stars and Stripes ^ | June 5, 2014 | Matthew Daly

Posted on 06/08/2014 12:24:11 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar

Edited on 06/08/2014 6:17:51 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON President Barack Obama's choice to be the top health official at the embattled Veterans Affairs Department has withdrawn his nomination.

The news comes amid a firestorm over long patient waits at military veterans' medical facilities and covering up delays, a headache for Democrats ahead of November congressional elections.


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1 posted on 06/08/2014 12:24:11 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; ...

V A ping.


2 posted on 06/08/2014 12:24:41 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Care outside the VA system - if indeed it is a totally hands-off situation for docs, and is completely outside the VA system - will work well, but only until ObamaCare totally ruins private care in a few more years.

I’m no longer taking new Medicare patients, nor is anyone else locally in my specialty, but I do accept new Tricare folks out of a sense of patriotism, and would accept VA patients that came to me with that insurance. My intake process has a wait time of about a week, generally.

What I won’t do is accept anyone who expects to still get their meds or labs at the VA, or has any other tie to that bureaucracy that would make delivery of good care difficult or aggravating. Nor will I put up with any record-keeping requirements that are any more onerous than the ones Tricare already requires.

I have a feeling the VA and I will not see eye to eye, and that I will end up seeing very few of their patients even if they do put this into place. We’ll see.


3 posted on 06/08/2014 1:16:23 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

Would you accept someone who doesn’t have insurance at all?

I ask mostly because I can’t afford the current premiums, and I also don’t qualify for Medicaid—though to be honest, I don’t want to qualify for that.

Is it any different for you in that situation?


4 posted on 06/08/2014 2:11:16 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: dagogo redux

Thank you, Dr. for the long years you spent in training and experience to get to where you are. Because your knowledge and true skill is rare, the envious, many of whom can be found in the legal profession, went to work to enslave your power to themselves long ago. It happened when too many of them could not pass the Medcat to get into medical school themselves. Place on top of that, the love and respect most people invest in their physicians and you become a target for those who lust for dictatorship, so they must either, enslave you, your knowledge and experience, or they must destroy you. Sometimes I wonder what the powers that be are smoking, drinking or using, to be so diligent in their destruction of the very systems which could end up wiping them and theirs out right along with the rest of us. It is unreal and it is insane. God bless you, Dr., for soon this population will long for direct access to your services and you will not be available. I ask myself a hard question..Is this insanity a clever and devious genocidal plan of some kind where deaths will occur in large numbers from no care and few will be the wiser for it? Are the “death panels,” made up of “20 something’s” now firmly in place? This I do know..The party in power will not investigate. Perhaps the equally young heroes, who have “seen the lion and heard the owl” in Afghanstan will rise to the occasion and awaken our population to what they know. I saw some of them on TV this week..They know what is going on all over the place in this government and they are not happy! There is hope.


5 posted on 06/08/2014 3:07:43 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Jet Jaguar

So, they thought putting a guy in charge whose own facility was using secret lists would be a negative? Wonder where they got that idea?

Could it be that they would claim their new guy didn’t know about his own secret lists? Could it be that he did know, thought it was OK, but wasn’t good at selling death panels?

This WH is a comedy if everything weren’t truly a matter of life and death.


6 posted on 06/08/2014 4:12:17 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
The VA is a wreck.
The simple solution is to issue a credit card to every honorably discharged veteran, good at any hospital or clinic, with the tab paid by Uncle Sam.
7 posted on 06/08/2014 4:27:07 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Any government program will be abused. It always is. The veteran should be required always to have a veteran id with miniaturized DD214 on one side and picture, current address, etc., on the other. And there should be a requirement that the ID must be renewed every 5 or 7 years. Then they can use their credit card.


8 posted on 06/08/2014 4:36:04 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
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9 posted on 06/08/2014 4:48:01 AM PDT by RetSignman
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To: Jet Jaguar

Acting VA Secretary Sloan Gibson said Thursday an additional 18 veterans in the Phoenix area whose names were kept off an official electronic Veterans Administration appointment list have died. Gibson said he does not know whether the 18 new deaths were related to long waiting times for appointments but said they were in addition to the 17 reported last month by the VA’s inspector general.

The 18 veterans who died were among 1,700 veterans identified in a report last week by the VA’s inspector general as being “at risk of being lost or forgotten.”

At this point what difference does it make?


10 posted on 06/08/2014 5:23:26 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"The simple solution is to issue a credit card to every honorably discharged veteran, good at any hospital or clinic, with the tab paid by Uncle Sam. "

That's what was suggested when I worked for the VA -- more than 30 years ago. At the time I understood that the concept was studied and the executive report indicated that not only would it be much better, it would be much cheaper. The report of the study is, I think, stored at the Yucca Mountain Nuclear Waste Repository.

The VA problems are systemic and the only way to find someone who isn't tainted is to recruit outside of the VA. The problem with going outside the VA is that someone who might possibly be an effective VA chief wouldn't want to work for Obama.

11 posted on 06/08/2014 5:37:48 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Eleutheria5

At least the grass is being manicured at VA facilities...and should you go into the administrators offices, the furniture is new and comfy. Let’s get our priorities straight.


12 posted on 06/08/2014 5:39:44 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: xzins

But forcing veterans who served honorably to carry a regime issued ID card is racist and will deny their right to get medical care./s

Then, there’s the “mark of the beast”.


13 posted on 06/08/2014 5:40:45 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: dagogo redux

Why no Medicare? Don’t you have an ethical duty to see sick people as they come to you to the extent of your ability and regardless of their insurance?


14 posted on 06/08/2014 7:22:23 AM PDT by amihow
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To: hal ogen

Whew. I was worried there for a minute.


15 posted on 06/08/2014 8:12:06 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: amihow
"Why no Medicare? Don’t you have an ethical duty to see sick people as they come to you to the extent of your ability and regardless of their insurance?"

No, think about it, that would make doctors slaves. If they have to see all comers without regard to compensation, then they are no longer in charge of their lives and will also be ruined financially.

16 posted on 06/08/2014 8:43:34 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: amihow

“Why no Medicare? Don’t you have an ethical duty to see sick people as they come to you to the extent of your ability and regardless of their insurance?”

No, I don’t. Grow up, if you believe this.

I don’t, and neither do any other doctors - a growing percentage - who refuse them. Mostly such patients are refused because the insurance payments are set so low that we lose money and go broke if we see enough of them. And we face federal prison time if we allow them or their family to pay us anything to make up the difference. The Feds dictate how much any other insurance they have can pay us as well. There are clinics and doctors who still do see them, and they can get their care with those doctors for as long as their practices remain financially viable, which is becoming increasingly difficult for most.

In many specialties, mine included, patients with good insurance are almost never referred to specialists for care that falls within the scope of that specialist unless the primary doctor absolutely has to do so, whereas they will routinely send patients to the specialist if Medicare is involved, thus allowing them to have a more lucrative practice at the expense of the specialist.

Medicare also insists we prescribe older generic medicines, such that our ability to render good care is often limited. The fear of Federal audits and other actions - with significant compliance burdens, and financial ruin or incarceration hanging in the balance - also limits our enthusiasm for taking Medicare, which increases our risk of exposure to such trauma enormously.

There are, BTW, a number of other criteria that also preclude me from taking many other patients into my practice, criteria independent of their insurance coverage. I have a highly select and professionally satisfying practice at this late stage in the profession, and I prefer to keep it that way. I feel no obligation to take just any patient who just wants to come see me for whatever reason.

So far, at least, docs still have the freedom to stay in business and do a good job with the patients we do see. It is a modified triage model of sorts. Our decision to do so presents me no ethical dilemmas or qualms, and anyone who thinks it should can simply go ahead and vote for left wing politicians who will further expand the forces that are ruining the perfectly good healthcare system we once had.

The old timers I knew back when I was in my training would voice their opposition to Medicare even back then, when it was much less of a problem. They saw that it would ballon out exponentially until it either bankrupted the country, or bankrupted the fine medical system we’ve always had here. It started off very slowly, like any good idea the lefties have, but even back then many knew it was the camel’s nose under the tent - and it was.

I hope you simply forgot the “/sarc” after your post. If not, there’s nothing more to talk about.


17 posted on 06/08/2014 9:32:31 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

I would bet I am more conservative than you by many measures. That said, I have many medical people in my family, including an M.D. husband who went to one of the top ten med schools. I know that is doctors who think like you, with $ and comfort as primary motivators are also doctors who see medicine as a business and ego trip rather than a mission to the sick. Frankly, you are the very doctor ofwhom patients should be wary.


18 posted on 06/08/2014 2:16:58 PM PDT by amihow
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To: amihow

You don’t know me, and you have no idea what you are talking about.


19 posted on 06/08/2014 2:33:13 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

The man is smart.

There is no way to enter the fray and come out whole.

Any person that signs on with Obama is by definition an idiot


20 posted on 06/08/2014 2:36:51 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: dagogo redux

You are partially right. I do not know you except for what you revealed about yourself and that is the basis upon which I still hold the same opinion.

Having an M.D. after your name does not confer infallibility and my opinion is based on more than my own highly vaulted opinion of myself or my wallet. It is based on concern for the sick.


21 posted on 06/08/2014 5:30:30 PM PDT by amihow
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