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Women are having fewer kids, and demographers don't know why
Washington Examiner ^ | 6-7-2014 | Joseph Lawler

Posted on 06/08/2014 3:07:35 AM PDT by equalator

U.S. fertility is not recovering from the financial crisis — and demographers aren’t sure why.

The fertility rate fell to a record low 62.9 births per 1,000 women aged 15-44 in 2013, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.

The total number of births, at 3.96 million, inched up by a mere 4,000 from 2012, the first increase since the financial crisis. But the total fertility rate, or TFR, the average number of children a woman would have during her child-bearing years, fell to just 1.86, the lowest rate in 27 years. TFR is considered the best metric of fertility. A TFR of 2.1 represents a stable population, with children replacing parents as they die off.

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"U.S. fertility is not recovering from the financial crisis "- (because it is ongoing)

"..even over the course of the country's five years of slow but steady recovery."

"..more births during the recession and recovery.."

"..has persisted even as the worst effects of the labor market have abated "

" ..as the economy gathers strength"

"..has had the most punishing impact on demographic trends of anything since the Great Depression"

Because the Great Depression was a walk in the park compared to what we're going through now.

1 posted on 06/08/2014 3:07:35 AM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

It’s Molech.


2 posted on 06/08/2014 3:11:03 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: gitmo
May it is a problem with all the wussy boys that don't grow up into men and move away from their mommies.


3 posted on 06/08/2014 3:13:36 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: equalator

“Because the Great Depression was a walk in the park compared to what we’re going through now.”
“ ..as the economy gathers strength”
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Yes, and the economy gathering strength is an illusion, pushed by the Marxist media.
Today, people are more self centered, and they are too lazy to have kids. I could go on, but it is too depressing.
America is in a fundamental change, and there is NOTHING good about it.


4 posted on 06/08/2014 3:18:15 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: equalator

Children are now viewed as a burden rather than a blessing.


5 posted on 06/08/2014 3:20:16 AM PDT by Fzob (Jesus + anything = nothing, Jesus + nothing = everything)
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To: equalator

These demographers are idiots. Anybody with a functioning brain can see why this would occur.


6 posted on 06/08/2014 3:22:50 AM PDT by Politicalkiddo (The more helpless the victim, the more hideous the assault.)
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To: equalator

They’re not getting laid enough?


7 posted on 06/08/2014 3:23:25 AM PDT by 22202NOVA (This Space For Rent. Offers accepted.)
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To: equalator

Sorry, Michelle Duggar and I are 47 years old. There’s only so much we can do. Maybe demographers should try having their own children!


8 posted on 06/08/2014 3:25:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When the truth finally dawns, it dawns in fire!)
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To: equalator

The simplest answer is the Obama Depression. Fertility rates always decline in economic hard times. The broader answer is the Culture of Death and the breakdown of the family.


9 posted on 06/08/2014 3:26:26 AM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: gitmo

Basically, yes.

We’ve, as a society, put what women can produce monetarily at such a priority, that everything else is demoted.


10 posted on 06/08/2014 3:26:28 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: equalator

“Because the Great Depression was a walk in the park compared to what we’re going through now.”

You’re right; the Depression was a temporary (if prolonged) economic malaise, while this is a permanent adjustment to America’s standard of living to align it with those in Asia. The only way to temporarily delay this transition is to avoid breeding and the costs that are associated with it; you can still buy new cars, go on nice vacations, and have nice things - you’ll just be leaving them to your pet when you die.


11 posted on 06/08/2014 3:37:38 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Jonty30

“We’ve, as a society, put what women can produce monetarily at such a priority, that everything else is demoted.”

It is more than that; young people watched the long-term unemployment generated in 2007/2008, the wave of foreclosures that followed, and are deciding not to be exposed. A short-sighted strategy in terms of national survival, but that means little to generations that have never had patriotism instilled in them anyway.


12 posted on 06/08/2014 3:40:29 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: equalator
Not hard to figure out: The difficulty in making ends meet with only one wage earner, the emphasis on women developing careers rather than being a mother, the social pressure against families, particularly large families, birth control availability/abortion, and maybe a realization that parenting is difficult and these latest generations don't like "difficult".

Coupled with the emergence of large numbers of non-reproducing homosexuals and you have the perfect formula for self-extinction.

Luckily we have floods of "immigrants" coming in to take over.

13 posted on 06/08/2014 3:41:18 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: AlexW

“Today, people are more self centered, and they are too lazy to have kids. I could go on, but it is too depressing.”

As a breeder who isn’t thrilled to have my children surrounded by the children of imported “replacement Americans”, I understand there are simply too many ways for young people today to rationalize their refusal to breed. Thirty years ago I heard white yuppies say the world was such a terrible place they couldn’t imagine bringing children into it; THAT was self-centered (they had the means but no desire). Today I don’t know too many young people with the means; I struggle, but I still have one of the old-fashioned jobs where wages, while stagnant, haven’t been adjusted down yet.

It seems the only whites breeding in my area are public employees; they have unequaled (actually absurd) job protections and equally absurd salaries.


14 posted on 06/08/2014 3:45:06 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ConservativeInPA

“Maybe it is a problem with all the wussy boys that don’t grow up into men and move away from their mommies.”

Maybe it is a case of a legal system stacked against them and a job market that openly discriminates against them; there is little incentive for guys to risk so much while the women risk little.


15 posted on 06/08/2014 3:47:42 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: equalator
"U.S. fertility is not recovering from the financial crisis — and demographers aren’t sure why. "

One of the ways God shows His displeasure is by closing up the wombs of women in the disfavored regime.

16 posted on 06/08/2014 3:53:53 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: kearnyirish2

“It seems the only whites breeding in my area are public employees;”
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I should have stated that it is the government dependent women that are reproducing, unabated.


17 posted on 06/08/2014 3:54:52 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Fzob
Producing less babies is the result of an affluent and decadent society concerned with narcissistic pursuits and self gratification, en masse. The broadside assault on religion,, motherhood and family by Feminists and “progressives” since 1965 are now coming to the fore. Add the Gay agenda and the ruin to come will be much harder. We are unraveling and it is not just the economy stupid.
18 posted on 06/08/2014 3:58:17 AM PDT by Netz
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To: AlexW

“I should have stated that it is the government dependent women that are reproducing, unabated.”

They are, either through welfare or workfare...


19 posted on 06/08/2014 3:59:16 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: equalator

Let me take a potshot guess and say that families can’t afford more kids these days, and also because mom has to work long hours now and has no time to bear and raise them?


20 posted on 06/08/2014 4:00:51 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: equalator; AlexW

Because the Great Depression was a walk in the park compared to what we’re going through now.
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The Great Depression and NOW are equivalent in government sponsored economic destruction but back then most people had farms and could survive without money ,, today we have jobs and they are paying less every day.


21 posted on 06/08/2014 4:01:08 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: kearnyirish2

“We’ve, as a society, put what women can produce monetarily at such a priority, that everything else is demoted.”

If we weren’t taxed to death it might not be such a problem.


22 posted on 06/08/2014 4:01:49 AM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: equalator
You pulled the important quotes.

The media is as much the enemy as Obama, Reid and Pelosi.

23 posted on 06/08/2014 4:02:53 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Chainmail
Not hard to figure out: The difficulty in making ends meet with only one wage earner, the emphasis on women developing careers rather than being a mother, the social pressure against families, particularly large families, birth control availability/abortion, and maybe a realization that parenting is difficult and these latest generations don't like "difficult".

I guess it's a mystery to demographers who want to be published.

24 posted on 06/08/2014 4:05:43 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: equalator

Oh Come on......women AND men don’t want more than 1 -2 kids today because they want TIME FOR THEMSELVES!!!!


25 posted on 06/08/2014 4:07:04 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: dljordan

“If we weren’t taxed to death it might not be such a problem.”

Those taxes are reduced when you breed; when people don’t breed their taxes simply go to someone else’s kids.

I think economic insecurity plays much more of a role in the lack of breeding; people are afraid of layoffs and want the freedom to follow their jobs to another locale if necessary.


26 posted on 06/08/2014 4:09:25 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: equalator

Might the fact this country is circling the drain possibly have something to do with it?


27 posted on 06/08/2014 4:10:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Neidermeyer

” back then most people had farms and could survive without money”
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Yes, and they were not government dependent crybabies.
The leftist population of today expects the government to take care of them from cradle to grave. The Afros, especially, say that “You owes me”.


28 posted on 06/08/2014 4:12:26 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: equalator

We need to do whatever it takes to make it once again both economically possible and respectable for people to marry and start families at 18 - 22, and not at 30 - 35. That might in fact require some sort of subsidy, so be it, the alternative is bringing in hordes of illegals and paying THEM to have children....


29 posted on 06/08/2014 4:16:54 AM PDT by varmintman (It must really suck to be a Nazi in Kiev these days...)
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To: equalator

I’m thinking I should ask my pastor that is the ratio of funerals:weddings:baptisms in our parish. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 10:3:1


30 posted on 06/08/2014 4:21:43 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: equalator

Duh. When you murder over a million children in the womb every year, you will have fewer births. All godless countries that kill children have falling population….but of course, ours is trying to get around that by encouraging an invasion of children from Central America. That should work out well>sarc


31 posted on 06/08/2014 4:24:43 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: equalator

No real faith in God —— putting self first —— contraceptive mentality = NO to life


32 posted on 06/08/2014 4:34:16 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Ann Archy

“Oh Come on......women AND men don’t want more than 1 -2 kids today because they want TIME FOR THEMSELVES!!!”

I think it is as much about money as time; kids or cars?


33 posted on 06/08/2014 4:34:19 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: equalator

My guess is that the smart person now is reconsidering having their kids pay for the moochers that are taking over this country and don’t want them saddled with that burden. I bet the moochers are having baby booms since they get all that “free stuff” and don’t have to work now.


34 posted on 06/08/2014 4:37:58 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: freeangel

Plus, people aren’t hopeful about the future. I hate to say it but I say stick a fork in us, America has been done for quite some time


35 posted on 06/08/2014 4:42:10 AM PDT by equalator
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To: Timber Rattler; The_Republic_Of_Maine
Let me take a potshot guess and say that families can’t afford more kids these days, and also because mom has to work long hours now and has no time to bear and raise them?

There was an economic reason for families having a large number of kids in the past. One reason is that in an agrarian society, one needed the kids to eventually help work the farm in order to provide the additional income to grow and sustain the farm and the family or with the industrial revolution and urbanization, go to work at a young age to help support the large family. The other was the high infant and childhood mortality rate. It was not unusual for families to have 10-12 kids but a good half of them didn’t survive to adulthood. Then again, that was sometimes limited by the high rate of maternal death rates during or shortly after child birth.

Now days it is comparatively more expensive to raise kids than it was in the past and it is more of a burden what with in many families, even in two parent, intact families, both the father and mother have to work to make ends meet what with taxes and an overall higher cost of living.

Of course there are exceptions and it comes down to a matter of priorities.

A family today with a lot of kids and a traditional stay at home mom, like my niece and her husband (four little kids including a set of triplets, plus two step kids including one in college), they have to make sacrifices. They drive an old but 100% paid for used van and my niece’s husband drives a company truck and fortunately her husband is multi-talented and works on the van himself when it needs repairs or maintenance; they don’t live in a big house although they sure could use the space, they economize, buying groceries in bulk and at places like Aldi’s, BJ’s, Wal-Mart, etc, they buy kids clothes at second hand stores and consignment shops, they sell or consign the kids “gently” worn clothes and toys when they grow out of them, they don’t go out to eat, rarely go to the movies, etc. They make do with what they have and when the need to buy something they look for bargains. My niece’s husband also works many side jobs in addition to his full time job, which means he’s not around as often as he and his wife and kids would like. My niece worked from home for a time when the triplets were infants as they really needed the extra income and I’m not sure how she found time to sleep.

And my full time college student great niece who lives with her mom and step dad is an exceptional student and has some scholarships but she also works a nearly full time job to pay what her scholarships don’t cover and for her car and other living expenses and helps her mom out a lot at home with her younger sisters.

They make it all work and wouldn’t have it any other way.

My nephew and his wife on the other hand only have two kids, two girls, and don’t plan on having any more, at least for now, although my nephew would very much like to have a son. He has a very good job, making well into the 6 figures and his wife doesn’t have to work, they live in a much bigger and newer home than his sister and her husband, they drive new cars, and he recently bought a Porche, granted a used one, and last year went on a two week vacation to Italy. But they are also great parents and are raising two really great kids in a conservative and loving traditional home. I don’t see them as being materialistic or selfish for only having two kids.

One of the ways God shows His displeasure is by closing up the wombs of women in the disfavored regime.

My mother and father, who were FWIW, devout and very traditional Catholics, only had my brother and I and we were born 12 years apart, although my mother suffered a miscarriage in between. I never knew the reason for this but I am pretty sure my mother and father never used any forms of birth control. Perhaps my mother had infertility issues or they just didn’t have sex that often.

My husband and I very much wanted and desperately tried to have children but I couldn’t. Are you telling me that God was punishing me for who we elected as President, back in the 80’s, i.e. Ronald Regan? Really?

36 posted on 06/08/2014 4:43:04 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: varmintman

“We need to do whatever it takes to make it once again both economically possible and respectable for people to marry and start families at 18 - 22, and not at 30 - 35. That might in fact require some sort of subsidy, so be it, the alternative is bringing in hordes of illegals and paying THEM to have children...”

I’m sure enough meaningless tripe can be cut out of education so someone has a good four years of job training by 20.


37 posted on 06/08/2014 4:43:54 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ConservativeInPA

All that soy is working, eh?


38 posted on 06/08/2014 4:44:51 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: equalator

I’m sure they would have loved to use more baby-making as an excuse for the decline in workforce participation.


39 posted on 06/08/2014 4:47:13 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: equalator

The correct headline should be “Productive and Responsible Women Having Less Children, The Dependent and Irresponsible Women in America Are Breeding Like Rabbits”.


40 posted on 06/08/2014 4:49:57 AM PDT by Ponyexpress9790
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To: equalator

Fear, depression, uncertainty for future safety aren’t a fertility bonanza in the making.


41 posted on 06/08/2014 4:52:36 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Refuse to remain silent.)
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To: Ponyexpress9790

I remember reading an article about the Great Depression and at the time 80% of Americans had some sort of farming skill. Today, when things totally collapse, I can’t see the new America taking care of itself.


42 posted on 06/08/2014 4:53:14 AM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

Because kids like to do things like eat, wear clothes, and grow up.

If you don’t have the means, it can really cramp your style.


43 posted on 06/08/2014 4:54:52 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

“There was an economic reason for families having a large number of kids in the past.”

That was the line pushed by the left to end large families. There is always a natural reason for families to have a large number of kids.

We are reaping the consequences of foregoing children; our country is unrecognizable from even 25 years ago.


44 posted on 06/08/2014 4:55:11 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: equalator
Divorce and Family courts. Everybody knows somebody who has been dragged
through the vicious male-biased gutter of those two court systems.

When the MSM spews the demeaning trash about the White Male people tend to believe it.

45 posted on 06/08/2014 4:59:35 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: equalator

Our government is living in a world of lies:

the recovery
Globull warming
the stimulus (government spending stimulates the economy)
people of the same sex can be married
...


46 posted on 06/08/2014 5:01:54 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (Repeal it.)
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To: equalator
Gee, lets import more illegals to make up the difference .../ S

Seriously, when your economy outlook is bleak or uncertain, having children is a major economic decision...

Couples with one or two children will not have anymore simply because they are pushed economically already...

47 posted on 06/08/2014 5:03:59 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: equalator

Women are having fewer kids, and demographers don’t know why


Let me throw my own favorite reasons why into the pot...

In no particular order:

Cell Phones, aka Smart Phones, Have contributed to the loss of human social contact. I was at the county fair last night and most of the women, Young to about forty I would say, were on their phones constantly. And those that did happen to actually be with a boyfriend were splitting their time between him and the phone.

TV... Women and young children in the TV shows I have had the misfortune to see parts of are smart, witty and ‘oh-so-much-better’ than the men in the shows. Conclusion: Women don’t waste your time on these losers called men; stick with your own sex for better relationships and communication.

Computers: The virtual world of friends, (Facebook), is much more rewarding than the real world around you.

Economy: If you are actually working then you really don’t have much time left for (Smart-Phones, TV, Facebook). If you aren’t working and therefore living off of the taxpayer one way or another then you are to busy looking for a job, (Hopefully).

Otherwise you are in a low-level world where the only time you can really afford to go out and ‘do something’ is when the EBT card gets refilled and you can refill the pantry and the refrigerator. And of course there is always the Smart-phone, TV and Computer, if you have one, to occupy your time.

Bottom line is that there are way to many things to occupy the time of young women in a ‘first-world’ or technological society than having sex with a dedicated partner, (Husband). And besides... Kids take away the time they can devote to their favorite pastimes.

Disclaimer: There are always exceptions, thank God for that otherwise there would be no next generation.


48 posted on 06/08/2014 5:18:52 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: equalator

Of course they know why. They are demographers, for crying out loud. We are headed the direction of Japan, Italy, and most post-industrial societies. We are nearing stage 5 of Demographic Transition. This is the true reason for the push for immigration/amnesty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition


49 posted on 06/08/2014 5:19:41 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Chainmail
Agree whole heartedly agree with every point you made.

Permit me to suggest an additional cause:

Boys raised by women do not always learn how to be men.

Men become fathers, boys become baby daddies.

50 posted on 06/08/2014 5:22:47 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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