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EDITORIAL: Obamacare’s October surprises
Washington Times ^ | June 8, 2014 | Washington Times Editorial

Posted on 06/08/2014 6:40:23 AM PDT by Innovative

In Vermont, the rate increases announced Monday range from 9.8 percent to 18.3 percent. Kentuckians will pay up to 17 percent more in 2015, and in Virginia rates will rise as much as 22 percent. These increases are the direct result of the Obamacare scheme to make health care “more affordable,” and the increases could have a considerable impact on the November congressional elections.

The state-by-state drip, drip, drip of bad news for Democratic candidates can be good news for the rest of us if it encourages voters to shake up Washington. The shake-up starts with getting the government out of health care.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; healthcare; healthinsurance; obama; obamacare; obamacarepremiums; socializedmendicine
And this is just the beginning -- everyone will be paying more and getting a lot less...

The Vets Administration scandal is just a preview of Obamacare -- that needs to be pointed out, before it's too lat -- it almost is already...

1 posted on 06/08/2014 6:40:24 AM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Even though Obama was the Chief instigator of our nations economic ruin,He had a lot of assistants by a do nothing congress;Especially the Republicans who agreed with what he wanted to do because of cowardice or political expediency.

As a result we’re all going to pay for the damage done in the future.


2 posted on 06/08/2014 6:48:12 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: puppypusher
As a result we’re all going to pay for the damage done in the future.

Quite right.

Even if repealed, which won't happen because the pubbies won't give up the club given to them by the rats, there are two fundamental outrages that will remain.

1. Congress can force us to purchase a service against our will.

2. Scotus and El Presidente can rewrite laws.

3 posted on 06/08/2014 7:00:39 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Taxman

Ping for later read.


4 posted on 06/08/2014 7:02:06 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: Innovative
The state-by-state drip, drip, drip of bad news for Democratic candidates can be good news for the rest of us if it encourages voters to shake up Washington

Asking the distracted and apathetic people of America to wake up is probably asking too much, a bridge too far. Everyone is too immersed in their own little amusements to care about the future.

The socialists and statists who run the country have successfully dumbed down the population to an extent that they are largely docile and easily manipulated. Their plan is working.

5 posted on 06/08/2014 7:08:44 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Jacquerie

And Congress doesn’t have to buy into what they force us to buy. Nice gig, huh?


6 posted on 06/08/2014 7:10:24 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: puppypusher

Totally agree. The spineless Republicans never stood up to him even when they had some good opportunities to do so. Epic fail on their part, but as you say, its all about political expediency. The stark truth is that most Republicans could care less about conservatism.


7 posted on 06/08/2014 7:11:51 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Innovative
The shake-up starts with getting the government out of health care.

Sure it does.

Except the Left works on a 50-100 year campaign cycle, and the Right can't see beyond the next election.

Obamacare, or something like it, became inevitable in 1965. The Democrats and Republicans who passed Medicare and Medicaid KNEW it would lead to single-payer nationalized medical and nursing services, which was and is their goal.

They didn't know when, and they didn't know how, but they didn't NEED to know that.

All they needed to know was that they had dosed America with a slow-acting poison which would eventually prove fatal, and they were right.

The government will own health care outright within a few years. And they have to, because we can't borrow, tax, or print enough money to keep existing programs solvent.

If you want government out of health care, the first step is repealing Title XVIII of the Social Security Act.

Good luck.

8 posted on 06/08/2014 7:14:11 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Puppage

Nice gig, huh?

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I realize you said that in jest, and sarcastically, but that is essentially how they look at it. The perks, status, income, prominence, and little empires they have do constitute a nice gig. And once there, they never want to give it up. In Washington this is known as Potomac Fever.


9 posted on 06/08/2014 7:18:18 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard
The stark truth is that most Republicans could care less about conservatism.

The only thing most Republicans in power care about is staying in power, keeping up a good façade for the rubes back home, and making sure nobody rocks the boat.

10 posted on 06/08/2014 7:18:46 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Starboard; puppypusher; Jacquerie; Puppage

The Senate is controlled by the Dems, in case you didn’t notice.

Also NO Republican voted for Obamacare.

It amazes me that so many here, who should know better, blame the Republicans more than Obama — despite the FACTS I cited above.


11 posted on 06/08/2014 7:20:36 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: COBOL2Java

Your tagline: “ (I’m a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)

The reason to vote for the GOP is because the alternative is Obama and the Dems running — I should say RUINING — the country. Exactly people like you GAVE the Dems the Senate and elected Obama, by voting for unelectable candidtes and staying home. Obama and the Dems RULING the country are a direct result of YOUR actions. It’t time you face that and come down to reality.


12 posted on 06/08/2014 7:24:37 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
Exactly people like you GAVE the Dems the Senate and elected Obama, by voting for unelectable candidtes and staying home. Obama and the Dems RULING the country are a direct result of YOUR actions. It’t time you face that and come down to reality.

Really, Innovative? And exactly how did I do that? Do tell...I'm anxious to hear you tell me.

13 posted on 06/08/2014 7:30:38 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Innovative

You said it better then I could. Good job!


14 posted on 06/08/2014 7:31:50 AM PDT by Cannon6
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To: COBOL2Java; Innovative

Hey, everyone! Innovative’s about to tell us how I voted! Gather round! He was behind me at the polling booth! Isn’t that amazing?


15 posted on 06/08/2014 7:32:11 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Innovative; COBOL2Java

Bovine feces. You’re trying to blame someone here for 0bama. That’s crap.

There is an argument to be made that voting R is always better than voting D or not voting. But it is not a clear line. No sir it is not. And it is dynamic and individual-voter specific.

I think you argue to vote R no matter what.
COBOL2Java I think argues that sometimes not voting is better.

My position is that it can be either - depending on the situation at hand.

For example this midterm, I would be more apt to vote R senate b/c getting 51 is large. But this midterm in the HOR, I would be more apt to oust the liberal R to demonstrate that liberal Rs suck camel ass. R will hold the HOR so this gives us a chance to remove some sucky reps.

But I think it’s just plain dumb to blame 0bama on conservatives when conservatives didn’t even have a candidate running. How about blaming RINOs who voted such bs in the primary? How about blamimg voters who did not take care to vote in primarys? How about blaming RNC for its primary rules?

Lazy to blame a conservative. Conservatives aren’t the problem.


16 posted on 06/08/2014 7:35:29 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: Innovative
I have no illusions that, should the Republicans control both houses of congress and the presidency, there will be a repeal. They might try to “fix” it, but Obamacare will stay in some form or another. Republicans have no interest in putting things back the way they were. The power over life and death doesn't just appeal to Democrats
17 posted on 06/08/2014 7:36:01 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Cannon6; Innovative
You said it better then I could. Good job!

Said what? That Innovative's Party can't field good candidates? That he then goes and blames others for his Party's screw-ups? What? Seems to me all Innovative did was shoot off his mouth and assume he knew how I voted. That to me reveals an amazing lack of critical thinking.

18 posted on 06/08/2014 7:36:59 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Innovative

Sadly must agree 100%.


19 posted on 06/08/2014 7:44:11 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Innovative


20 posted on 06/08/2014 7:46:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Black skin has morphed into Teflon.)
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To: citizen
Sadly must agree 100%.

So YOU know how I voted too? Do tell!

21 posted on 06/08/2014 7:47:24 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Puppage
It is a sweet arrangement.

Nearly all of the other social justice laws imposed on us don't apply to congress either.

22 posted on 06/08/2014 7:47:29 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Innovative
In case you didn't notice, the three branches of government and the states (pre-17th), have been replaced with the Uniparty.

But hey, if you want to keep doing what you've been doing, I refer you to Einstein's definition of insanity.

23 posted on 06/08/2014 7:52:09 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie
But hey, if you want to keep doing what you've been doing, I refer you to Einstein's definition of insanity.

I call them "Pollyanna Republicans". They'll injudiciously pull the lever for the "R" regardless of the candidate's personal character or moral center; all that matters is stuffing Congress with "R" politicians, and somehow that will fix things.

"Well, golly gee! My father always used to say that if we ever got a Republican-majority Senate, we'd have steak and ice cream three times every day!"


24 posted on 06/08/2014 8:04:08 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Innovative; puppypusher; Jacquerie; Puppage
Also NO Republican voted for Obamacare.

One base hit in the entire season. Sign them up for another year!

25 posted on 06/08/2014 8:04:46 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Innovative

When the Democrats lose their congressional seats just imagine how many Democrat staffers will be forced to pay for ALL of their Obamacare.


26 posted on 06/08/2014 8:04:51 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Innovative

“The Senate is controlled by the Dems, in case you didn’t notice.”

Exactly. People are too quick to blame republicans for not standing up to obama and stop him. But their hands are tied because the senate is controlled by the democrats. Whatever legislative moves they make, it will be a huge waste of time, money, and political capitol because it will just die in the senate, on reids desk. A futile gesture.


27 posted on 06/08/2014 8:10:30 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Innovative
It amazes me that so many here, who should know better, blame the Republicans more than Obama — despite the FACTS I cited above.

While not totally rational, it is not unusual that, when things go wrong, blame is assigned to the person closest to your viewpoint. Conservatives expect liberals to act as they do and consequently don't feel betrayed by their actions. They expect conservatives to stop them and feel betrayed when they don't. Generally, conservatives want to be right while liberals want to win.

28 posted on 06/08/2014 8:11:39 AM PDT by etcb
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To: Innovative

What’s that have to do with MY fact about congress not having to abide the health law they passed on us? Please, enlighten me.


29 posted on 06/08/2014 8:16:59 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Starboard

“The socialists and statists who run the country have successfully dumbed down the population to an extent that they are largely docile and easily manipulated. Their plan is working.”

When I got a teaching credential 20 years after getting my BS, I was shocked at the deterioration of our ‘education’ system. The dumping down has been swift and complete.

Amazingly, most parents don’t care or are in denial. Even when I point out that we are at the bottom of the international math and science tests, I get a ‘my child is doing well’ response. And these same morons vote for tax increases to give schools more money at every opportunity too.

Without people being able to think logically and notice when they are being deceived, this country has no chance to turn around.


30 posted on 06/08/2014 8:18:30 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Innovative

“It amazes me that so many here, who should know better, blame the Republicans more than Obama — despite the FACTS I cited above.”

I lost track of how many times the House has voted to repeal Obamacare.


31 posted on 06/08/2014 8:20:37 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Innovative

“Coloradans can expect bad news Friday.”

Nope. The bad news is going to be kept secret by the Colorado Democrats for a couple more weeks according to the Denver Post:

“Health insurance carriers had to submit their 2015 plans and rates to state regulators for review Friday.

The Division of Insurance, which would not release the carriers’ submissions to The Denver Post, said it will now begin reviewing the filings.

The division will make the filings available to the public June 23 on its website. Division spokesman Vince Plymell said the two-week delay gives staff time for a cursory review to ensure filings are complete and no proprietary business information is inadvertently released to the public.”


32 posted on 06/08/2014 8:21:15 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Innovative

Don’t forget the Republican dirt bag Olympia Snowe.

2. One Senate Republican even helped Democrats to pass ObamaCare. When Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) voted in favor of ObamaCare in committee in 2009, CBS lauded her as a force to be reckoned with: “When Olympia Snowe cast the lone Republican vote for the Senate Finance bill, she reaffirmed her place as a power player on Capitol Hill.”


33 posted on 06/08/2014 8:26:04 AM PDT by cp124 (Government is value subtracted.)
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To: etcb

conservatives want to be right while liberals want to win

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That is a fundamental reality/truth. Republicans never seem to fully understand this (i.e., for the Dems, politics is bloodsport). The Dems are bullies who play to win at all costs.

Until Republicans accept this as fact, and up their game, they will never achieve significant political victories. Also, Dems never really compromise; they claim they do but but its all an illusion that Republicans too often buy into at their own (and our) peril.

Most Democrats have no fear of Republicans. They view them as dumd and pliable. Republicans need to earn respect and will only get that by playing to win.


34 posted on 06/08/2014 8:30:34 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard
Most Democrats have no fear of Republicans. They view them as dumb and pliable. Republicans need to earn respect and will only get that by playing to win.

This applies to voters as well as to office holders and seekers.

35 posted on 06/08/2014 8:45:42 AM PDT by etcb
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To: Innovative

Ruh Roh....


36 posted on 06/08/2014 9:04:23 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Starboard
Most Democrats have no fear of Republicans. They view them as dumd and pliable.

Some are dumb and pliable. Many are corrupt and ever so accommodating to the statist's plans.

37 posted on 06/08/2014 9:17:49 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Innovative

And to go along with the healthcare rate increases, we will have equally if not more damaging electric and energy rate increases that will hurt consumers and kill remaining manufacturing jobs.
Anyone that votes for a Dim is a sado-masochist.


38 posted on 06/08/2014 9:22:44 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: grumpygresh
Anyone that votes for a Dim [or an accommodating Vichy Republican] is a sado-masochist.

There, fixed your post for you...

39 posted on 06/08/2014 9:29:17 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: puppypusher

I do not blame Obama for Obamacare. I blame McCain and McConnellfor voting for cloture to pass Obamacare when Cruz did his filibuster. Had they not voted for cloture we would not have Obamacare. It is their fault.


40 posted on 06/08/2014 9:38:18 AM PDT by GilGil
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To: Innovative

Here we are, with yet another article about how the Democrats have screwed things up for the country, and it breaks down to arguing about how bad the Republican politicians are.
We can fix them after we fix the Democrats for foisting this horrible President on us.


41 posted on 06/08/2014 9:44:26 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: COBOL2Java; Starboard
Elections have become little more than courtesies.

They no longer identify who will represent the governed, but rather serve two other purposes.

Congressional elections determine who will write vague directions for executive agencies.

Presidential elections name the guy who will appoint the commissars that make the actual laws we live under.

The Framers would call this arbitrary government. Whatever it is, it isn't government with the consent of the governed.

Elections alone cannot possibly remedy what ails our once republic.

42 posted on 06/08/2014 9:48:36 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Innovative; etcb
BTW, on this day in 1789, James Madison introduced twelve amendments to the constitution.

So today is the day to take a quick stroll through the Bill of Rights. How many are in force?

One political party would happily repeal all of them, and the other party wouldn't make much of a fuss.

And we are told to just keep voting.

43 posted on 06/08/2014 9:58:50 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Innovative

I agree.


44 posted on 06/08/2014 12:23:22 PM PDT by what's up (sun)
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To: what's up
I agree.

If you agree, then tell me who I voted for. All the smug posters on this thread must have been standing behind me at the polling booth, since I got such a self-congratulatory lecture on my voting habits.

45 posted on 06/08/2014 12:45:57 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

Didn’t say anything about you.

However I have already seen multiple comments on fr from people who say they will vote for Grimes in KY and Hillary as well.


46 posted on 06/08/2014 4:10:47 PM PDT by what's up (sun)
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To: what's up
Re-read his comment that you agreed with. Everything he said, he said to me.
47 posted on 06/08/2014 4:23:16 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

I was responding to comment.#11. That was a general comment.


48 posted on 06/08/2014 4:26:48 PM PDT by what's up (sun)
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