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Obama on Obama on Climate
New York Times ^ | June 8, 2014 | by Thomas L. Friedman

Posted on 06/08/2014 7:49:54 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Toddsterpatriot
How much nuclear capacity has been added to the grid since he took office?

A new plant construction project has broken ground somewhere in Georgia or Alabama, just off the top of my head. That is a first for a couple of decades. They also wanted a new one down near Houston in Texas, but it looks like that one was possibly delayed. The real issue is how many plants were recently built by the old GE boys that had to leave and go work for the Japanese.

Are you worried that water vapor from nuke plants is going to warm the planet?

Water vapor is the number one green house gas. So it is there logic problem, not mine. Nuke plants are designed to do one thing. Create immense amounts of heat by controlling and limiting a nuclear reaction. So how in the world can something designed to generate enormous amounts of heat, not be contributing to Global Warming ? Again, that is their logic problem, not mine.

21 posted on 06/08/2014 2:49:20 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The White House isnthe Westboro Baptist of the religon of Climate Change. GAIA HATES DENIERS!


22 posted on 06/08/2014 2:54:20 PM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: justa-hairyape
How much nuclear capacity has been added to the grid since he took office?

A new plant construction project has broken ground somewhere in Georgia or Alabama, just off the top of my head.

So that would be zero? A negative number? Doesn't sound like a top Obama priority.

Water vapor is the number one green house gas.

Scary.

Are you worried that water vapor from nuke plants is going to warm the planet?

23 posted on 06/08/2014 3:01:44 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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It takes many years to build a new nuclear plant. You could not have built a functional one in the time he has been in office. Especially with all the US red tape. So you have no point. A new plant construction has broken ground. It will eventually be producing once complete.

Nuclear plants have been documented warming the planet. All that heat generation, the purpose of the nuclear reaction, generates excessive heat that is not converted into electricity. That excess heat has to be dissipated. Typically that occurs via a secondary water loop that sucks in water from lakes, rivers and the ocean. Thus, the planet is warmed by the excess heat. And that excessive heat creates the increased water vapor as water evaporates due to the heat.

Science is science. It is not up for debate. You cannot dissipate heat into the biosphere without causing global warming. In fact the CO2 itself cannot possibly cause the warming the AGW acolytes claim it will. Why ? Because its concentration is too low. The minor warming CO2 does gets enhanced in a positive feedback loop. That feedback mechanism is the increased water vapor due to the very minor amounts of warming from CO2. Exactly what dissipating the heat from nuclear power plants does. Enhances water evaporation.

24 posted on 06/08/2014 4:25:27 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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It takes many years to build a new nuclear plant.

How many?

You could not have built a functional one in the time he has been in office.

If it really was a pillar of his green energy program, I'm sure something could have been done. Several somethings, with more in the pipeline.

Nuclear plants have been documented warming the planet.

They have? How much "documented warming", per plant?

Thus, the planet is warmed by the excess heat. And that excessive heat creates the increased water vapor as water evaporates due to the heat.

Are you under the impression that heat does not leave the planet?

Are you worried that water vapor from nuke plants is going to warm the planet?

25 posted on 06/08/2014 5:39:41 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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How many?

Cannot say accurately since the US has not even built a commercial large scale plant one in over two decades. We shall find out as they build this new one.

If it really was a pillar of his green energy program, I'm sure something could have been done. Several somethings, with more in the pipeline.

We are talking about Obama. The man who failed at everything he has done. His ends are meaningless. All that matters to him are the means. And the means are lining his pockets with green cash from the nuclear crowd.

They have? How much "documented warming", per plant?

Ask the surfers and examine fish populations along the coast of San Onofre. While that leaking reactor was still running, it warmed the Ocean water in the area. Numerous studies of nuclear plants have found the water cooling exhausts warm the water. Heck, they are designed to transfer excess heat to the biosphere. Does that causes warming globally ? Probably not, but no one has studied it because they really do not care about warming. They only care about CO2.

The way statist work is if a problem costs them money out of their pocket to solve, the problem is ignored (Fukushima). If solving the problem can bring them money and power, CO2, then they try to solve the problem.

Are you under the impression that heat does not leave the planet?

Surface heat through infrared is dissipated at night, but heat deep down in the oceans stays for decades. If you warm the oceans, you warm the planet. Japans reactors all warm the ocean water around Japan. Reactors that warm river water end up warming the oceans where the rivers empty. There is a reason why they have been ignoring this heat. See my statement about statist solving problems above.

Are you worried that water vapor from nuke plants is going to warm the planet?

The water vapor represents heat. It takes large amounts of energy to evaporate water. And the AGW crowd claims heat generated water vapor represents a positive feed back system. Do not agree with that, myself. But eventually the excess heat will accumulate long term in the deep oceans. So in a nut shell, we need to start doing actual science. Not statist science which is more or less worthless.

26 posted on 06/09/2014 7:20:55 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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