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Armed & Dangerous: The Terrorism of the LGBT Radicals
Townhall.com ^ | June 8, 2014 | Joanne Moudy

Posted on 06/08/2014 2:56:24 PM PDT by Kaslin

When the word ‘terrorism’ is used today, most people equate it with Muslim extremists, radical bombings and hijacked aircraft. But there’s another form of terrorism happening right here in America, and the perpetrators are out to destroy the very fiber of our Judeo-Christian heritage and U.S. Constitution. Welcome to the bloody LGBT battlefield where everyone is fair game in a relentless, multifaceted assault on our humanity.

Make no mistake about the LGBT intentions. No longer content to ‘fit in’ or simply be ‘accepted’ by others for living an odd lifestyle, today they are out to castrate the minds and hearts of others into supporting their deviant faith – or crush those who might oppose their ranting into oblivion. As per the LGBT website, their goal is “…to seek to change the hearts and minds of Americans to ‘equality’…” – unless you happen to be an American who doesn’t want to be brainwashed.

Elaine Huguenin, owner of Huguenin Photography, found out the hard way. When she got an email inquiry from Vanessa Willock requesting photography of her union with another woman, Elaine didn’t realize that Vanessa had sent similar emails to other photographers and had already received positive responses from several who were willing to film Vanessa’s lesbian union. Neither did Elaine realize that at least one of those photographers was less expensive. In fact, Elaine had no idea that Vanessa was on a fishing trip – an expedition to find the one photographer who could not do the work, for religious reasons.

By the time Elaine figured out she’d been used as a guinea pig to promote the radical LGBT agenda, it was too late and she was embroiled in a devastating court battle which all but cost her and her husband their business and home.

In another case, Barronelle Stutzman is the owner of Arlene’s Flowers and Gifts and had been personally serving her gay client Robert Ingersoll for over ten years, whenever he came into her shop. In fact, she enjoyed his company and they had become well acquainted. It didn’t bother Barronelle he was gay, just the same as it didn’t bother her that a few of her employees and other customers were gay/lesbian.

But when Rob finally approached her and asked her to do the floral arrangements for his upcoming union to Curt Freed, she respectfully declined, saying “I am sorry. I can’t do your wedding because of my relationship with Jesus Christ.” That was the first wedding Barronelle had turned down in 37 years.

Although Rob was disappointed about Barronelle’s decision, they hugged each other and he left the shop. But Curt wasn’t so forgiving and posted the details on Facebook. A few days later the shop’s five phone lines began ringing non-stop, flooding her business with vile hate calls from LGBT members all over the country. Those calls were followed by hundreds of threatening emails and dozens of vicious letters, eventually stacking over three feet high.

But least expected of all came an attack from Washington State Attorney General, Bob Ferguson. According to Alliance Defending Freedom, the state of Washington suffered from over 200 murders, 2,100 rapes, 5,700 robberies, and 12,200 aggravated assaults in 2012, one would think the state’s AG would have serious business to attend to. But Mr. Ferguson took time out of his ‘busy’ schedule to check Facebook, single out Barronelle, and charge her with discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The best part about this is, that at the time of Ferguson’s lawsuit against Barronelle, the two gay men, Rob and Curt, hadn’t filed a complaint with anyone. But that didn’t seem to matter to Ferguson because he filed the suit against the florist anyway, without a plaintiff. This situation had never before occurred in Washington and gives rise to the obvious question, “Why, with all the other serious infractions happening within the state, was Barronelle such a priority?”

The obvious answer is simple. Ferguson is out to rid Washington of God, teach Barronelle a lesson, and make a name for himself in the process. And he’s gone after God and Barronelle with a vengeance.

According to the Huffpost Gay Voices, Ferguson said, “It’s my job to enforce the laws of the state of Washington. Under the Consumer Protection Act, it’s unlawful to discriminate against customers on the basis of sexual orientation.” Ferguson went on to sue the florist for declining to act contrary to her faith. Apparently all those murderers and rapists are less threatening than a 68 year-old Christian businesswoman.

But now with the help of Alliance Defending Freedom, not only is Barronelle defending herself against the ridiculous claims of Ferguson, she also recently filed her own countersuit against him. As Dale Schowengerdt, ADF’s Senior Legal Counsel points out, “In America, the government is supposed to protect freedom, not use its intolerance for certain viewpoints to intimidate citizens into acting contrary to their faith or convictions.”

If the Attorney General prevails, the fines and charges he hopes to impose will cripple Barronelle and put her out of business, all for believing in Jesus Christ and following her faith.

And most recently in Colorado, Masterpiece Cakeshop owner, Jack Phillips, was sued by two gay lovers, Dave Mullins and Charlie Craig, because Jack respectfully declined to create a wedding cake for the couple’s union.

It didn’t matter that same-sex marriage is illegal in Colorado, or that the couple got hitched in Massachusetts to circumvent the Colorado law. Nor did it matter that the gay couple had offers from other bakers to do their ‘union’ cake, or that several of those offers were for considerably less money. All that mattered was that the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) jumped at the chance to unite with the LGB-Terrorism movement and destroy another Christian-run business and bash religious freedom in the process.

But in order to be successful in destroying Jack’s livelihood, the complainants had to have a sympathetic Administrative Judge and a Civil Rights Commission with no understanding or regard for our Constitution. As Americans are seeing all too often these days, the seven-member panel ignored Colorado law and legislated from their bench. Then they threw down their heavy-handed decision full of petty, punitive punishment purposefully intended to embarrass and humiliate the bakery owner.

The good news is that Jack’s business is booming with freedom-loving supporters who prefer cookies, cupcakes, and croissants to those controversial ceremonial delicacies. In fact, Jack’s so busy he hasn’t had time to even think about baking wedding cakes. If business holds steady, maybe Jack can focus his talents on Thanksgiving favorites like steamed cranberry puddings and fruitcakes, although he’d probably get sued by the ACLU for baking anything with such a questionable name.

All humor aside, the LGBT movement in America isn’t new and it isn’t unorganized. Quite the contrary, it’s extremely well organized with campaigns running on every front. At the LBGT, Human Rights Campaign Website, they clearly state what every homosexual should be on the lookout for, and they encourage their subscribers to ‘report offenders’.

If our elected officials don’t take a firm stand immediately and get actively involved to halt these non-stop assaults on our Constitutional rights, we’re doomed. Conservatives and Republicans must raise their voices before it’s too late.

As Arizona Congressional candidate for D-2, Chuck Wooten recently wrote, “In this era of extreme political correctness, it’s almost surreal that such a small fraction of our society is allowed to torment average citizens over something as fundamental as the Constitutional right of religious freedom. The ACLU’s predictable tactic is “death by a thousand cuts,” but it’s seldom successful. The time for sanity in these situations is at hand and Americans of faith must stand strong and fight tyranny in whatever form it takes.”

The LGBT has systematically embarked on a violent war against anyone who doesn’t tow the line and jump into bed with their sexual promiscuity and deviance, and it’s refreshing to see some serious candidates step up and say, “Enough is enough.” But sadly, if more elected officials don’t defend our constitutional rights in a timely fashion, the hour of opportunity will pass and our religious freedom will evaporate before our eyes.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: equality; homosexualagenda; religiousfreedom

1 posted on 06/08/2014 2:56:24 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The two percent (I’m being generous) may soon find themselves in open bloody warfare with the other ninety eight percent, if that’s how they really want it.


2 posted on 06/08/2014 2:59:20 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

So I guess that problem would be resolved in a weekend?
‘Cause being outnumbered 49-to-one is not a good place to be.


3 posted on 06/08/2014 3:11:00 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: elcid1970

> The two percent (I’m being generous) may soon find
> themselves in open bloody warfare with the other ninety
> eight percent

Unfortunately, the 2% have support from more than 50% of the rest of the population. We are in the minority here.


4 posted on 06/08/2014 3:14:13 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: elcid1970

The tenacles of Satan are covering our country.

The Churches have failed and issue absolutely no sign of correcting. We have been turned over to ourselves.

What comes next will take many children. God help us get our kids out of the public schools while we work for “stuff”.

I think we are not broke enough yet. The more impoverished will try a different track to care for their children, with spirit and truth forming them.


5 posted on 06/08/2014 3:15:17 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: elcid1970

Or will it be more of the Night of the Long Knives? Will their overlords decide that they have been used well enough and now must go? In this case, it will be Islamists getting rid of them not Nazis. On the other hand, what is the difference?


6 posted on 06/08/2014 3:24:57 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Kaslin

Sorry, folks, the headline is wildly misleading.

Harassment and lawsuits are not armed terrorism, despicable though they might be.


7 posted on 06/08/2014 3:25:10 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Westbrook

“Unfortunately, the 2% have support from more than 50% of the rest of the population. We are in the minority here.”

I do not believe that to be the case. There may by a few polls here and there that claim a majority of the people support gay marriage, but those polls must be falsified.


8 posted on 06/08/2014 3:26:14 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Kaslin
When the word ‘terrorism’ is used today, most people equate it with Muslim extremists, radical bombings and hijacked aircraft.

Except for Eric al-Holder who equates it with little old ladies who make potato salad for a picnic of Tea Partiers.

9 posted on 06/08/2014 3:28:04 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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10 posted on 06/08/2014 3:33:50 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Farmer Dean
I think you're not getting that the 2% who are homosexuals are not all punishment-minded lawfare-waging aggressive activists. That might be --- I have no idea --- less than half of the 2%. We're talking about <1%.

BUT...

The complicating factor is that a whole lot of the "straight" 98% are gay allies for a variety of reasons. Because they are sentimentalists and thing gay couples are so loving and cute. Because they are denatured and think sex has no intrinsic value, it's just how you scratch an itch. Because they have soaked all their normal human values in a solvent bath of hedonism and cynicism, and now it's all gone except "I want what I want, so you want what you want." Because they are heedless of what's going to be drilled into their kids and grandkids.

The gay "problem" was never, primarily, a "gay" problem. The project of the deconstruction of gender, the disorientation of sex, and the de-norming of natural marriage started a long time before the "Gay movement". which came on the scene with the "straight allies" already pre-deformed.

11 posted on 06/08/2014 3:44:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Pray for the %^* SOB. It's the only way to help him, or you, become a bit worthier as a human being)
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To: Westbrook

The homos are very good at coming out to their friends & family, and then manipulating them from there. People go weak when it’s a son or daughter coming out as a homosexual, instead of trying to do the right and hard thing in Christ’s plan.


12 posted on 06/08/2014 3:45:02 PM PDT by MarkRegal05
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To: Oliviaforever

I think it is believable.

1) Many, many otherwise Conservative and religious people have siblings and children who are openly gay and married. I know of such instances. They are not rare or unusual and the majority of friends, families and acquaintances support, cheer and openly offer public congratulations. In one instance I know of, the elderly relatives are being kept in the dark, so far. Of course, they may be totally aware of the situation and just holding their tongue for now.

2) Many, if not most people just do not care about such things. They regard them as personal, private and totally acceptable. There are far more classical liberals than true social conservatives on the right.

3)People with religious objections to same-sex marriage or open homosexuality are in the minority, numerically and culturally. The majority has proven they will not allow private convictions concerning the minorities that go against the majority to stand in the marketplace.

Everyone will continue to believe as they will. But if you are in business, be aware that the support is on the side of the homosexuals. If you have a wedding business, a restaurant,a retail establishment, any personal service business,you turn people away on socially conservative grounds at your own peril. Beyond that, people will turn such business owners in, will demand they be prosecuted under the law, will denigrate them on social media and will go to inordinate lengths to destroy them economically and socially.

Take your own rule-of-thumb poll and do not pre-select the respondents. If you find 5% in favor among a random selection of people you know, especially casual acquaintances, then you can expect the more rigorous polls to be correct.

It is what it is. Refusal to believe or accept could rebound against you.


13 posted on 06/08/2014 4:07:34 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Kaslin

We live in Seattle and have more then our share of faggots. We’ve had a few in our church, which is in the Central area where the faggots live. The church was polite to them but were not given special treatment. For some reason they quit coming. I’m thinking maybe since we are getting more and more young Iranian families joining the church and giving them special attention, the faggots are upset because they are not getting the special treatment, or maybe they have a fear for Iranians. I will say one thing, the Iranians are a real asset to the church, as they have a very strong zeal for Christ which does ad life to the church.


14 posted on 06/08/2014 4:20:02 PM PDT by Vinylly (?%)
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To: Vinylly

Iranian Christians finding a spiritual home in America.

I love it! They’re like fresh new blood.


15 posted on 06/08/2014 4:41:27 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ooooh... I like the way you think!


16 posted on 06/08/2014 4:42:17 PM PDT by Walrus (I love the America that used to be ---I hate the America that now IS!)
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To: reformedliberal

I think not, “reformedliberal”.

SOME “conservative and religious people have siblings and children who are openly gay and married.” It is nowhere near “many, many”

SOME people “do not care about such things”; most of us DO, and most of us despise homosexuality.

“People with religious objections to...open homosexuality” are NOT in the minority -— numerically, culturally or in any other aspect., for that matter.

Homosexuality is flat-out perversion. You know it, I know it, and the overwhelming majority of Americans know it.


17 posted on 06/08/2014 4:56:29 PM PDT by Walrus (I love the America that used to be ---I hate the America that now IS!)
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To: Kaslin
Electrical devices for years carried a sticker Saying UL, meaning certified by Underwriters Laboratories. It would be a wise move for small businesses to develop a guild and affix an insignia to all of their wedding products carrying the lines, "Marriage means monagamy, one lover until death do you part," obviously poetically stated with a lovely image of a man and woman. As Time's article pointed out, that is not the intent of many same sex couples when they enter matrimony and it is certainly not the result. When only 7% , even at this late day and age , according to Gallup, find sexual relations outside of marriage by married people( unless same sex participants and supporters want to admit that same sex marriage is a different kind of marriage)morally acceptable, this should be like wolfsbane to a werewolf.
18 posted on 06/08/2014 4:58:22 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Walrus

Well, I disagree. Especially people under 45 just do not care at all.

It is the culture. The entire idea of perversion has been turned on _us_. That quote about the “Moral majority will become the despised minority”? This was planned a long time ago.The inculcations of the past 3 generations have taken root.

We believe in the power of tradition. The culture was changed deliberately to change the traditions. Look at football. Same game (sort of), but it has become a bastion of outspoken acceptance of gays, not to mention being PC. Years and years ago, a gay man told me that I would be shocked at how many pro football players were homosexual. I didn’t believe him then and those old guys are now all retired, but just look at the new crop! Many are bi. The ones who are straight have the morals of alley cats and it’s not just excess testosterone.

Privately, many people in their 30s & up think their parents are “aliens”(sic). They may love us, they may show us respect because they love us, but they are not necessarily emulating or preserving our ideals.

I’ve come to believe that very little is innate. Watching the world over the past 50-60 years indicates that just about every aspect of *culture* is learned. Anything learned can be taught. Anything taught can be inculcated. If I could come back in 100 years, I cannot even imagine what the accepted beliefs and behaviors will be. The more outre my imaginings, the more likely I think that will be the new norm.


19 posted on 06/08/2014 6:50:16 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

Well, I disagree right back.

SOME “people under 45 just do not care at all”; most do.

Oh, and if football has “become a bastion of outspoken acceptance of gays,” why is an admittedly homosexual first-team All-American defensive end not drafted until the last round? Some “bastion” you’ve got there, Buttercup.


20 posted on 06/08/2014 7:15:24 PM PDT by Walrus (I love the America that used to be ---I hate the America that now IS!)
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To: Kaslin

“Welcome to the bloody LGBT battlefield where everyone is fair game in a relentless, multifaceted assault on our humanity.”

And a “Fiery Lake” awaits them.


21 posted on 06/08/2014 8:37:40 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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To: Kaslin

So the fact that this entire LEGAL issue can be solved with special order contracts for weddings that only apply to an openly declared religion, denomination or church, for purely religious reasons and which make no mention of homosexuality, is still of no interest to anyone.

Thought so.


22 posted on 06/08/2014 9:44:19 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: reformedliberal

“Many, many otherwise Conservative and religious people have siblings and children who are openly gay and married.”

Mincing through a sodomite play-pretend marriage ceremony does not make them married.

They are accomplices in sodomy, nothing more dignified than that.


23 posted on 06/08/2014 10:49:44 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: elcid1970

If that’s what they want “let there be blood”. Christ is my commander.


24 posted on 06/09/2014 4:04:51 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: elcid1970

One good thing about Muslims is they don’t cotton to faggots.


25 posted on 06/09/2014 4:09:46 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: Walrus; dsc

Look, don’t dump on the messenger. There’s enough thought control in the larger society. I am describing what I experience, which does not indicate acceptance. As I said, it is what it is.

There are “many, many” families with gay children and married gay children who simply do not and cannot discuss it. That does not mean it isn’t happening nor that the extended family isn’t supportive of the fact.

We may find it disgusting, deviant or just wrong. Any small attempt to move outside one’s own personal bubble will verify that the observations I posted are correct. Once upon a time, there were gender norms. Now, not so much.

The parents of children who insist on cross-dressing are profiled in the State media.The schools, including the students,are required to accommodate them,and parents who object may even find themselves harassed or worse. The US military accepts gays and it looks like they are going to accept transgenders. Bradley Manning is getting sex change surgery and the life-long hormonal supplements courtesy of the US military/taxpayer while serving time in a military prison. Someone who leaves or even complains specifically about all this is more likely to feel societal heat than the participants. If it was so universally despised, why is all this happening? Is it simple tyranny foisted upon a complaining and outraged majority? Then why aren’t all the military resigning en masse as a protest? Why aren’t the schools empty? Do the kids bully the gays and trans? Sure. Are the bullies punished. Severely.

Call it whatever. The fact is, they are even getting married (or “married”) within various churches. The goal was to not only devalue traditional marriage, it is to take over the churches as accomplices in all the State PC. Think it bothers the radicals to see traditional Christians leaving their churches over this? HA!

Technically, many straight people practice sodomy. Kids are instructed in the practice within State schools. It is an accepted (by some) sexual practice within male and female relationships. I see/hear no outrage or disgust in wider society over the practice. It is no longer whispered about. Novels describing this in excruciating detail become best sellers.

Want to be separate but equal by establishing a church or a school that refuses to go along with this agenda? Expect State harassment and no mass demonstrations by supporters. Want to just boycott and refuse to watch, listen or read about it? Go for it. It simply reinforces the isolation and marginalization of what was once traditional, majority culture.

As for Sam or any other football player, he _was_ drafted. He came out before the draft. If it was such an awful thing, universally condemned, why didn’t he keep shut or wait until the contracts were signed? I don’t really care, as I am not a fan of the game. Less so when I see all the butt grabbing and hugs. Want to think that is just manly behavior? Fine, but it is really conditioning when it is a close up on TV and the viewers’ nose is being rubbed in it.

However, the progs have co-opted every aspect of traditional life. They now even have children with 3 genetic *parents*. I think there was recently a *marriage* of three people. I saw the headlines, didn’t read the articles, so that’s all I know.

If it makes everyone feel good to pretend they are still in the majority, go for it. I prefer to live in reality and to understand what is going on in the world. But, like everything else, that’s just me and YMMV.

Oh, and as an older woman, being called “Buttercup” doesn’t upset me at all.


26 posted on 06/09/2014 5:40:30 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Oliviaforever

It is not so much support as it is indifference or afraid of being demonized. Basically the same as what the Bible warns about being neither hot nor cold.


27 posted on 06/09/2014 6:38:05 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: reformedliberal

“Look, don’t dump on the messenger.”

Such was not my intent. I saw an opportunity to say something true about sodomite play-pretend “marriage,” and I took it. Didn’t mean it as an attack on you.

“There are “many, many” families with gay children and married gay children”

I don’t think it is that many on a national scale. Sodomites are only about 2% of the population, and some families have more than one, so the percentage couldn’t be much higher than that.

“That does not mean it isn’t happening nor that the extended family isn’t supportive of the fact.”

I suspect that many who express support are secretly distressed.

“Once upon a time, there were gender norms. Now, not so much.”

That is the picture we get from the leftard oligarchs. There’s a lot more resistance than the culture of death wants us to think.

“Then why aren’t all the military resigning en masse as a protest?”

Enlisted men can’t resign. They have to serve out their contracts, up to six years. The officers generally come from one of the academies or a regular university, and so are already intimidated into shutting up about homosexuality.

But you are right: many, many, many people have been persuaded or bullied into adopting a generally positive outlook toward this loathsome perversion.

“Why aren’t the schools empty?”

Well, women were flim-flammed into thinking they should enter the work force instead of performing the much more grueling but utterly necessary, infinitely valuable duties of wife and mother. This left families with two incomes, and the government saw that they could tax away half of that and the family would still have the equivalent of one income. Now the wives can’t quit to homeschool, because after taxes they need both incomes just to get by, even as they watch the purchasing power of their salaries shrivel like a spider on a hot stove.

I came back to the States in 2006. Many food items have more than doubled in price since then, and good-paying jobs are scarcer and scarcer.

“Technically, many straight people practice sodomy.”

Pope JPII said that every sex act should be “open to life.” If we’re talking about some non-rectal types of foreplay, then I don’t really see a problem. If we’re talking about buggery, that’s not open to life.

It seems to me that the Bible condemns mainly pre- and extra-marital sex, and men lying with men. It seems to leave some room for creativity on the marital couch.

“Kids are instructed in the practice within State schools.”

I got a notice giving me the opportunity to have my son go somewhere and read during some suspect presentations. I did.

“I see/hear no outrage or disgust in wider society over the practice.”

To a large degree this is because people have been frightened into silence. Cowardice, not conversion. Of course, that begs the question, how useful would they be in pushing back?

“It is no longer whispered about.”

Yes, the vice that dare not speak its name has become the vice that won’t shut up.

“As for Sam or any other football player, he _was_ drafted.”

And I’ll bet it was decided by owners behind closed doors which team would draft him and in what round. Fear, not friendship.

“If it was such an awful thing, universally condemned, why didn’t he keep shut or wait until the contracts were signed?”

Football is entertainment, and the pole smokers run the entertainment industry.

“However, the progs have co-opted every aspect of traditional life.”

I refuse to believe that it is too late.

“If it makes everyone feel good to pretend they are still in the majority”

I believe that everyone knows in his heart that it ain’t right. And that includes all the flamingest in-your-face parade queens.

“Oh, and as an older woman, being called “Buttercup” doesn’t upset me at all.”

As an older man, it would upset me. However, since you have brought up that you are a member of the contradictory gender, I will say that in my experience women do not understand the enormity of a homosexual act for a man. They don’t have any trouble understanding what a trauma rape is for a woman, but they don’t seem to grasp its effect on a man. That, I think, tends to allow them to be more accepting of male homosexuality than they might otherwise be.

I hasten to add that I am aware many women disapprove for religious reasons or other causes.


28 posted on 06/09/2014 1:40:34 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Gay allies” know what the whole “gay rights” thing is about:

CRIMINALIZING CHRISTIANITY.

That’s why they have more support than their own numbers would merit.


29 posted on 06/09/2014 1:43:08 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Yeah, that’s another way to say it.


30 posted on 06/09/2014 2:13:44 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Male and female He created them, in the image and likeness of God He created them.")
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To: dsc

Such was not my intent. I saw an opportunity to say something true about sodomite play-pretend “marriage,” and I took it. Didn’t mean it as an attack on you.


Ok, good.
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I don’t think it is that many on a national scale. Sodomites are only about 2% of the population, and some families have more than one, so the percentage couldn’t be much higher than that.


In a way, that is misleading. While I agree with you on the % of *practitioners*, if you consider that each one has 1-2 parents and 1-N sibs and 1-N straight friends, plus ancillary blood relatives, the number of acceptors is much larger than the number of practitioners.
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I suspect that many who express support are secretly distressed.

Oh, no doubt. And not so secretly, in some cases. I know of fathers who have cried over their daughters and mothers in denial, insisting that it is phase.
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That is the picture we get from the leftard oligarchs. There’s a lot more resistance than the culture of death wants us to think.

Here is where we diverge. There may be disgust. There may be angst, but resistance seems to be absent, here and in all the myriad ways these radicals are destroying our nation/culture. I just do not see it. Some mutterings, maybe. But spine-stiffening push back? Active resistance?

What I mostly see is people engaging only with those they know are *safe* and just shutting up and sucking up elsewhere.
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As a female who worked from home (I have been an artist my entire working life....50 years and counting), I don’t think it is fear of loss of salary that keeps women in the workforce. It is more likely lack of confidence in the ability to homeschool + fear of being considered an oddball. Most women my age and younger enjoy their careers, even if it is *just a job*. “Flimflammed”? I don’t know one woman my age down to those in their 40s or even 30s who were coerced, even remotely, into working. In fact, I know widows with a lot of money who continue to work because they want to stay engaged. Many males are totally bored with the idea of being married to a housewife and mommy. I have heard them so state. They prefer someone with a real life, an equal partner not solely dependent upon their salary. Even back in my youth, I recall being counseled to get a degree so as to have something to fall back on if necessary. There is no way women will willingly leave the workforce and, indeed, in today’s economy, it is a rare husband who isn’t relieved to share the economic burdens.
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We really do live in a post-religious world. Even the Catholics that I know could care about what some religious authority thinks of their sexual practices. Of those who say that they do, what percentage do you guess are hypocrites?
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You are correct in your later statements: cowardice is rampant. Money talks, so the entertainment moguls push what sells. Media is mostly tabloid, where not only is the slant to the lowest possible denominator, there is extra paid for *product placement* and today’s *entertainers* are definitely products. Sex of every sort is everywhere to the point of surfeit.

My prediction: it is too late. How in the world does a populace already committed to an anti-religious, amoral stance ever recant? How do cowards and the intimidated ever push back and, as you say, would anyone want them on their side if they did, given that they could revert at any moment for the slightest hint of social or other gain?

I suppose if there were to be some sort of huge catastrophe, such that any remnant was forced to live in reality without a constant nudge from the nanny media and also such that all vestige of centralized control disappeared, then, after a new Dark Age, *something* different would appear. But that is supposition and it is unlikely anything that large and widespread will even happen.


31 posted on 06/09/2014 7:14:30 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

“What I mostly see is people engaging only with those they know are *safe* and just shutting up and sucking up elsewhere.”

Yes, mostly. I wonder what would happen if a leader appeared.

“Most women my age and younger enjoy their careers, even if it is *just a job*.”

If you’re an artist working from home, that seems likely. If you’re a waitress, or assembling copiers, maybe not so much.

“Flimflammed”? I don’t know one woman my age down to those in their 40s or even 30s who were coerced, even remotely, into working.”

Flim-flammed means fooled, conned, not coerced. I remember a time when husband and family were considered a far better life choice than working. The bra-burners, the women’s libbers, and their willing accomplices in the media, convinced American women to work. Now, most are stuck. Maybe not in your circles, but certainly among the great unwashed.

“In fact, I know widows with a lot of money who continue to work because they want to stay engaged.”

A widow with money, probably past her child-bearing years, is not really the person I’m talking about.

Young women of an age to anchor a family have a duty—to their families, to their unborn children, and to humanity, just as do men. Those duties are different, and both biology and human nature make women far more valuable than men.

We thought that we were so wonderful that they could ignore those duties and everything would still be fine. Well, it’s not fine.

We need to stop talking about what people want and start talking about what they have a duty to do—which turns out to be what they would have wanted to do if they hadn’t been conned by Evil’s minions on the left.

“Many males are totally bored with the idea of being married to a housewife and mommy. I have heard them so state.”

Yeah, men will say anything to get laid.

“They prefer someone with a real life, an equal partner not solely dependent upon their salary.”

I wonder if that has anything to do with the divorce rate.

No, I don’t. It does. Such women, for an encyclopedia of reasons that I am too tired to get into, make worse wives than high-school or college sweethearts who never work a day, at least until their children are grown.

“Even back in my youth, I recall being counseled to get a degree so as to have something to fall back on if necessary.”

Now here’s something that will really hack you off: having something to fall back on, while very good for individual women, is really, really bad for the nation.

“There is no way women will willingly leave the workforce”

I really hope that the majority are not so obdurate as you say.

“and, indeed, in today’s economy, it is a rare husband who isn’t relieved to share the economic burdens.”

That was one of the first things I said: government reacted to two-income families by taxing one income away, while inflation has ripped and torn at purchasing power like a rabid great white shark. (Yes, I know fish don’t get rabies.)

Lenin (I think) said, to destroy the bourgeoisie, grind them between the twin millstones of taxation and inflation. The people pulling Hussein’s strings have read their Lenin.

“We really do live in a post-religious world.”

I disagree. We live in one of many periods during which religion was on the downswing. There’s no reason to think it won’t turn around again.

“Even the Catholics that I know could care about what some religious authority thinks of their sexual practices.”

When Ronald Reagan was elected, a celebrity libtard was heard to whine, “How could he win? Nobody I know voted for him.” That said, I find it necessary to note that the Catholics you know are very bad Catholics, if we are to judge from your report.

“Of those who say that they do, what percentage do you guess are hypocrites?”

Hypocrite in its correct meaning, or in its modern usage meaning a fallible human being who stumbles?

“Sex of every sort is everywhere to the point of surfeit.”

We are sex mad.

“How in the world does a populace already committed to an anti-religious, amoral stance ever recant?”

It’s happened before. The phenomenon seems to be connected with leadership.

“How do cowards and the intimidated ever push back and, as you say, would anyone want them on their side if they did, given that they could revert at any moment for the slightest hint of social or other gain?”

As Samuel Adams wrote, “…it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds…”

Danny “killing fields” Ortega only had about 3,000 men under arms when he marched into Managua.

“it is unlikely anything that large and widespread will even happen.”

The odds are vanishingly small that it will not, in my opinion, and in full awareness that I lack perspective.


32 posted on 06/09/2014 11:28:03 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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I wonder if that has anything to do with the divorce rate

What divorce rate? That phony 50% myth?

33 posted on 06/10/2014 12:00:17 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

“What divorce rate? That phony 50% myth?”

No, the actual divorce rate.


34 posted on 06/10/2014 4:19:27 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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