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To: reformedliberal

“Look, don’t dump on the messenger.”

Such was not my intent. I saw an opportunity to say something true about sodomite play-pretend “marriage,” and I took it. Didn’t mean it as an attack on you.

“There are “many, many” families with gay children and married gay children”

I don’t think it is that many on a national scale. Sodomites are only about 2% of the population, and some families have more than one, so the percentage couldn’t be much higher than that.

“That does not mean it isn’t happening nor that the extended family isn’t supportive of the fact.”

I suspect that many who express support are secretly distressed.

“Once upon a time, there were gender norms. Now, not so much.”

That is the picture we get from the leftard oligarchs. There’s a lot more resistance than the culture of death wants us to think.

“Then why aren’t all the military resigning en masse as a protest?”

Enlisted men can’t resign. They have to serve out their contracts, up to six years. The officers generally come from one of the academies or a regular university, and so are already intimidated into shutting up about homosexuality.

But you are right: many, many, many people have been persuaded or bullied into adopting a generally positive outlook toward this loathsome perversion.

“Why aren’t the schools empty?”

Well, women were flim-flammed into thinking they should enter the work force instead of performing the much more grueling but utterly necessary, infinitely valuable duties of wife and mother. This left families with two incomes, and the government saw that they could tax away half of that and the family would still have the equivalent of one income. Now the wives can’t quit to homeschool, because after taxes they need both incomes just to get by, even as they watch the purchasing power of their salaries shrivel like a spider on a hot stove.

I came back to the States in 2006. Many food items have more than doubled in price since then, and good-paying jobs are scarcer and scarcer.

“Technically, many straight people practice sodomy.”

Pope JPII said that every sex act should be “open to life.” If we’re talking about some non-rectal types of foreplay, then I don’t really see a problem. If we’re talking about buggery, that’s not open to life.

It seems to me that the Bible condemns mainly pre- and extra-marital sex, and men lying with men. It seems to leave some room for creativity on the marital couch.

“Kids are instructed in the practice within State schools.”

I got a notice giving me the opportunity to have my son go somewhere and read during some suspect presentations. I did.

“I see/hear no outrage or disgust in wider society over the practice.”

To a large degree this is because people have been frightened into silence. Cowardice, not conversion. Of course, that begs the question, how useful would they be in pushing back?

“It is no longer whispered about.”

Yes, the vice that dare not speak its name has become the vice that won’t shut up.

“As for Sam or any other football player, he _was_ drafted.”

And I’ll bet it was decided by owners behind closed doors which team would draft him and in what round. Fear, not friendship.

“If it was such an awful thing, universally condemned, why didn’t he keep shut or wait until the contracts were signed?”

Football is entertainment, and the pole smokers run the entertainment industry.

“However, the progs have co-opted every aspect of traditional life.”

I refuse to believe that it is too late.

“If it makes everyone feel good to pretend they are still in the majority”

I believe that everyone knows in his heart that it ain’t right. And that includes all the flamingest in-your-face parade queens.

“Oh, and as an older woman, being called “Buttercup” doesn’t upset me at all.”

As an older man, it would upset me. However, since you have brought up that you are a member of the contradictory gender, I will say that in my experience women do not understand the enormity of a homosexual act for a man. They don’t have any trouble understanding what a trauma rape is for a woman, but they don’t seem to grasp its effect on a man. That, I think, tends to allow them to be more accepting of male homosexuality than they might otherwise be.

I hasten to add that I am aware many women disapprove for religious reasons or other causes.


28 posted on 06/09/2014 1:40:34 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

Such was not my intent. I saw an opportunity to say something true about sodomite play-pretend “marriage,” and I took it. Didn’t mean it as an attack on you.


Ok, good.
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I don’t think it is that many on a national scale. Sodomites are only about 2% of the population, and some families have more than one, so the percentage couldn’t be much higher than that.


In a way, that is misleading. While I agree with you on the % of *practitioners*, if you consider that each one has 1-2 parents and 1-N sibs and 1-N straight friends, plus ancillary blood relatives, the number of acceptors is much larger than the number of practitioners.
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I suspect that many who express support are secretly distressed.

Oh, no doubt. And not so secretly, in some cases. I know of fathers who have cried over their daughters and mothers in denial, insisting that it is phase.
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That is the picture we get from the leftard oligarchs. There’s a lot more resistance than the culture of death wants us to think.

Here is where we diverge. There may be disgust. There may be angst, but resistance seems to be absent, here and in all the myriad ways these radicals are destroying our nation/culture. I just do not see it. Some mutterings, maybe. But spine-stiffening push back? Active resistance?

What I mostly see is people engaging only with those they know are *safe* and just shutting up and sucking up elsewhere.
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As a female who worked from home (I have been an artist my entire working life....50 years and counting), I don’t think it is fear of loss of salary that keeps women in the workforce. It is more likely lack of confidence in the ability to homeschool + fear of being considered an oddball. Most women my age and younger enjoy their careers, even if it is *just a job*. “Flimflammed”? I don’t know one woman my age down to those in their 40s or even 30s who were coerced, even remotely, into working. In fact, I know widows with a lot of money who continue to work because they want to stay engaged. Many males are totally bored with the idea of being married to a housewife and mommy. I have heard them so state. They prefer someone with a real life, an equal partner not solely dependent upon their salary. Even back in my youth, I recall being counseled to get a degree so as to have something to fall back on if necessary. There is no way women will willingly leave the workforce and, indeed, in today’s economy, it is a rare husband who isn’t relieved to share the economic burdens.
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We really do live in a post-religious world. Even the Catholics that I know could care about what some religious authority thinks of their sexual practices. Of those who say that they do, what percentage do you guess are hypocrites?
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You are correct in your later statements: cowardice is rampant. Money talks, so the entertainment moguls push what sells. Media is mostly tabloid, where not only is the slant to the lowest possible denominator, there is extra paid for *product placement* and today’s *entertainers* are definitely products. Sex of every sort is everywhere to the point of surfeit.

My prediction: it is too late. How in the world does a populace already committed to an anti-religious, amoral stance ever recant? How do cowards and the intimidated ever push back and, as you say, would anyone want them on their side if they did, given that they could revert at any moment for the slightest hint of social or other gain?

I suppose if there were to be some sort of huge catastrophe, such that any remnant was forced to live in reality without a constant nudge from the nanny media and also such that all vestige of centralized control disappeared, then, after a new Dark Age, *something* different would appear. But that is supposition and it is unlikely anything that large and widespread will even happen.


31 posted on 06/09/2014 7:14:30 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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