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Scottish independence: Referendum campaigns mark 100 day milestone
bbc.com ^ | 9 June 2014 | bbc

Posted on 06/09/2014 12:38:41 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

Both sides in the Scottish independence debate are marking the milestone of 100 days to go until the referendum vote.

First Minister Alex Salmond said the "credibility" of the pro-independence campaign would lead it to victory.

But the pro-UK Better Together campaign said the nationalists were "running out of time".

The referendum will be held on 18 September, with voters asked the Yes/No question: "Should Scotland be an independent country?"

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: scotland

1 posted on 06/09/2014 12:38:41 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Undecided voters 'shifting to Yes'
Undecided voters in the independence referendum have moved to Yes at a rate of two to one compared with those who have shifted to No, according to Yes Scotland research.
2 posted on 06/09/2014 12:42:57 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
the Three Lions
3 posted on 06/09/2014 12:47:43 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

What is the point? England heavily subsidizes them and they will still be part of the EUSSR so what benefit is “independence” anyway?


4 posted on 06/09/2014 12:50:15 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
And if by some fluke we were to succeed in carrying off the trophy, the Union would surely be sunk.

Mr Salmond said he wanted the "best side" to win, adding: "I hope England do well."

5 posted on 06/09/2014 12:53:17 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This could add to the list: WCs that changed the world.

LoL!


6 posted on 06/09/2014 12:55:38 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
WCs that changed the world
7 posted on 06/09/2014 12:58:23 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
20 World Cup goals that changed history
8 posted on 06/09/2014 12:59:10 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"Auld Enemy"
9 posted on 06/09/2014 1:06:51 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Barack Obama suggests Scotland should stay in UK
10 posted on 06/09/2014 1:12:48 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: GeronL

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/ukip-scottish-candidate-ill-take-on-salmond-over-immigration.24313688


11 posted on 06/09/2014 1:12:52 AM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Yeah but in Scotland, the UKIP come in 4th or 5th place don’t they?


12 posted on 06/09/2014 1:14:24 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Sky Sources: President Obama's comments on Scottish independence followed a request from the UK government— Sky News Newsdesk (@SkyNewsBreak) June 9, 2014


13 posted on 06/09/2014 1:19:58 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Twitter / Search - #indyref
14 posted on 06/09/2014 1:21:04 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

The comments are entertaining


15 posted on 06/09/2014 1:22:51 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal; Berlin_Freeper

I don’t think Scotland has a clue how messed up independence is going to be for them.

Like, defense for one thing.

http://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.com/2013/11/assessment-on-proposals-for-scottish.html

The comments are interesting


16 posted on 06/09/2014 1:40:29 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Scotland is by far the most left wing region of the UK. If Scotland goes it’s own way, the labor party is essentially finished in the remainder of the UK.

An analogy would be if NY, NJ, RI, and VT were to be voting on independence from the rest of the US.


17 posted on 06/09/2014 2:40:14 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Be a part of the American freedom migration: freestateproject.org)
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To: GeronL

Wrong.
The Treasury borrows from the international money markets on behalf of the whole of the UK and then gives Scotland 9.3% (£64.5b from a UK total of around £693.5b in 2011/12) of that borrowing. However, Scotland contributes 9.9% (£56.9b from a UK total of around £574.7b) of the tax revenues to pay the debt back including around 3% compound interest. So Scotland (as part of the UK) has to pay relatively more to borrow than the rest of the UK (9.9% being a higher figure than 9.3%). Therefore, Scotland subsidised the UK (in 2011/12) to the tune of around £4.1b (9.9% of £693.5b=£68.6b).


18 posted on 06/09/2014 3:04:18 AM PDT by MadMitch (nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This is a tough one. Scotland has been under UK’s boot since Wallace or thereabouts but the latest SNP folks are euro-eco-socialists who also happen to appeal to nationalism. Hate to feed the blue-greenies but Scotland should be independant. Maybe let um vote yes and then the latent caber-tossing types can sort out the lefties.


19 posted on 06/09/2014 6:10:00 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: epluribus_2

How independent would they be under the EU? What’s the point?


20 posted on 06/09/2014 6:11:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: epluribus_2

The UK wasn’t created until over four hundred years after William Wallace’s death.


21 posted on 06/09/2014 6:50:42 AM PDT by TheCorinthian
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To: epluribus_2
Scotland has been under UK’s boot since Wallace or thereabouts

Nonsense. The United Kingdom wasn't a conquest or an occupation: it was a voluntary union of two independent nations, in which Scotland was technically the senior partner (in that a Scottish monarch inherited the English throne, not the other way round).

In recent times United Kingdom politics has often been dominated by Scottish politicians, who have exerted an influence beyond what you would expect from the size of the respective populations. The last three British prime ministers have been Scottish, or of Scottish upbringing or origin, as have many senior cabinet ministers.

22 posted on 06/09/2014 12:23:29 PM PDT by Winniesboy
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>>>voluntary union of two independent nations

Uh, I have always been taught that some clan lords were bribed off with land and the rest slaughtered at Colloden. Sort of an ethnic/cultural cleansing ala Ireland and Cromwell. Help me understand if was misinformed about how it came together. I know my ancestors were “cleared” and forced to Canada, those that survived.


23 posted on 06/09/2014 1:23:26 PM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: GeronL

they hate the English... Before the union, Scotland was always tied to France


24 posted on 06/10/2014 3:18:36 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Winniesboy; epluribus_2
ep --> yes and no.

The English did invade from the Norman times until the Tudors

Yes, 1707 was a voluntary union, but in actually it was a "buy-out"

25 posted on 06/10/2014 3:22:56 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: epluribus_2; the scotsman
Uh, I have always been taught that some clan lords were bribed off with land and the rest slaughtered at Colloden. Sort of an ethnic/cultural cleansing ala Ireland and Cromwell. Help me understand if was misinformed about how it came together. I know my ancestors were “cleared” and forced to Canada, those that survived.

Culloden wasn't simply English slaughtering Scots: there were as many Scots fighting for the Hanoverian side as for the Jacobite side. Again, Scottish landlords were responsible for many of the worst excesses of the clearances. I'm pinging the scotsman, who has often posted on this subject, as he can give you a much more authoritative explanation than me!

26 posted on 06/10/2014 4:06:54 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: epluribus_2

The Jacobite uprising wasn’t about Scottish nationalism, it was about putting the deposed Stuart Dynasty (of both England and Scotland) back on the throne. There were English Jacobites as well.


27 posted on 06/17/2014 4:05:02 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: MadMitch

Scotland benefits from being part of the UK because it can borrow money at favourable rates. If Scotland becomes independent, it will probably be rated something like BBB and be forced to borrow money at usurious rates of interest that will cripple the economy, especially given that the YesNP is committed to sky-high public spending on all these socialist goodies that they’ve promised the Scottish people, unfunded by revenue from the shipbuilding/defence and financial industries that have said they will flee accross the border to England to shelter under the proven currency and economy of England.

Oh, and the SNP’s assumption that they will get a currency union or simply adopt the pound without a lender of last resort is pure genius (not), and will terrify most investors who fear an almost inevitable Scottish default. In any case, how can anyone possibly be right-wing and in favour of Scottish Independence? It will basically entrench socialism in Scotland and its usual ruination of the economy and statist social policies.


28 posted on 06/17/2014 4:10:28 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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Independent Scotland could not keep pound and join EU

29 posted on 09/06/2014 9:30:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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