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'Drug hurricane' lashing India's Punjab
al Jazeera ^ | 4/29/14 | Toral Varia

Posted on 06/09/2014 4:45:15 AM PDT by mgist

Drugs and politics

Police investigations have uncovered links between political leaders, businessmen and drug smugglers.

In December last year, Jagdish Bhola, a suspended deputy superintendent of police accused of drug trafficking, revealed as he was being escorted in handcuffs from a court hearing in Mohali: "I am just a pawn in the hierarchy of drug trade in the state - the real kingpins are politicians."

Bhola is accused of masterminding a huge synthetic drug racket and investigating officers claim his entourage had provided significant levels of campaign funding during Punjab's last state assembly elections.

Based on Bhola's revelations, police arrested a hotelier, Maninder Singh Aulakh - a local treasurer and election organiser for the ruling Shiromani Akali Dal party - and a business associate from neighbouring Himachal Pradesh, Jagjit Singh Chahal, who has also been linked to Akali leaders.

Aulakh is said to be close to senior Akali legislators and allegedly used government vehicles to smuggle the synthetic drugs.

The allegations reinforce those made in 2012 by another drug lord, Raja Kandola, who put politicians - and the Punjabi police themselves - in the dock by accusing them of conniving with drug lords.

Lack of political will

Yet despite these allegations, as the polls approach in Punjab it is the depiction of drugs as a menace that reverberates throughout the speeches given by politicians promising action at rallies and public meetings.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: drugs; wod

1 posted on 06/09/2014 4:45:15 AM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist

The same crap is happening here except our media doesn’t report it.


2 posted on 06/09/2014 4:46:11 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist
It's an old civilization. They also think that their culture is above others.
They are like the Pakistanis. "Pak" means PURE and "stan" means LAND, the land of the pure. Both peoples think very highly of their culture and country...and since they are the SAME people, it's not surprising. THEY could teach US about corruption.

I always wonder why "old" or "new" somehow mean "better." They don't.

3 posted on 06/09/2014 5:02:32 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: mgist

Aren’t hurricanes and typhoons a yearly event?


4 posted on 06/09/2014 5:03:38 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

“According to BSF sources, heroin smuggling in India is controlled by a network of ISI and the Pakistan smugglers.

Abad Li alias Badi, Chaudhary Shekhawat, Gadar, Ahmedeen, Rafiq Hazi, Shamat Abi, Dogar Nasik, Budha Ashiq, Malik Lamba Musli and Kaalu Chairman are some of the leading Pakistani drug lords who send the consignments through couriers.

A sizeable chunk of the consignments meant for India are handled by Kaalu, a drug lord based in Lahore who allegedly enjoys good relations with ISI, the Pakistan spy agency, and its government.”


5 posted on 06/09/2014 5:07:12 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist
“According to BSF sources, heroin smuggling in India is controlled by a network of ISI and the Pakistan smugglers.
Abad Li alias Badi, Chaudhary Shekhawat, Gadar, Ahmedeen, Rafiq Hazi, Shamat Abi, Dogar Nasik, Budha Ashiq, Malik Lamba Musli and Kaalu Chairman are some of the leading Pakistani drug lords who send the consignments through couriers.
A sizeable chunk of the consignments meant for India are handled by Kaalu, a drug lord based in Lahore who allegedly enjoys good relations with ISI, the Pakistan spy agency, and its government.”

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Heroin has always been an important cash crop there.

Who is the biggest customer of drugs? The West.
As long as there is the demand, there will be suppliers.

I WELL remember the garbage of the '60s: sex, drugs, rock 'n roll.

We reap what we sow.

6 posted on 06/09/2014 5:12:08 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Obama Sending $1.6 Billion To Aid The Taliban in Pakistan
Janna Brock October 20, 2013

Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/obama-sending-1-6-billion-to-aid-the-taliban-in-pakistan/#pEz0yTDUCzoFaEiK.99


The heroin is coming from Afghanistan which has record level poppy production and still protected by the US military.


7 posted on 06/09/2014 5:17:24 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: cloudmountain
Alcohol Prohibition lasted 13(?) years and produced corruption, violence and organized crime on a staggering scale. Imagine that alcohol prohibition had never been repealed. What would the levels of corruption, violence and organized crime be? This is imaginable, just look at the century long drug prohibition.

Most of the "drug" problem isn't caused by drug use, it's caused by the law book. Prohibition creates problems. You ought not ignore that.

8 posted on 06/09/2014 6:03:48 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: mgist

akistan Prime Minister is Nawaz Sharif

These are the cartel running the show.

http://app.com.pk/video/preview.php?id=66136

PM Sharif meets with George Soros, Chairman Soros Fund Management
NEW YORK, Sep 27(APP): Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Friday held a meeting with George Soros, Chairman Soros Fund Management in New York and discussed matters of mutual interests. Soros Fund Management LLC is a privately held American hedge fund management firm founded in 1969 by George Soros. In 2010, it was reported to be one of the most profitable firms in the hedge fund industry, averaging a 20% annual rate of return over four decades. APP/Zaheer


9 posted on 06/09/2014 6:04:24 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Alcohol Prohibition lasted 13(?) years and produced corruption, violence and organized crime on a staggering scale. Imagine that alcohol prohibition had never been repealed. What would the levels of corruption, violence and organized crime be? This is imaginable, just look at the century long drug prohibition.
Most of the "drug" problem isn't caused by drug use, it's caused by the law book. Prohibition creates problems. You ought not ignore that.

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All that you say is true.

The Swiss did an experiment years ago. They proclaimed that a certain LARGE field was a place that "anything goes."
They tried it out for a year.

It was a catastrophe of drugs, alcohol, sex and filth.
The Swiss doctors saw conditions of health and filth that hadn't even been WRITTEN about since the 14th century. The mixtures of all that was a disaster for young people.

They shut down the field. All is well in Switzerland now, replete with their former laws.

The fifth commandment, "Thou shalt not kill," also applies to behavior that is suicidal, such as drugs, alcoholism, over eating, never moving and such.

It also means trying to protect young people, who sometimes are hormone-driven, from themselves.
It also means trying to protect young people from STUPID.

Laws WERE made for a purpose and they were MEANT to protect people. If that means being a "wet blanket" for the stupids, then so be it.

10 posted on 06/09/2014 6:19:08 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

In other words, Big Government works.


11 posted on 06/09/2014 6:20:39 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: mgist

“I am just a pawn in the hierarchy of drug trade in the state - the real kingpins are politicians.”

Translation: It’s not my fault.


12 posted on 06/09/2014 6:22:02 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Most of the "drug" problem isn't caused by drug use, it's caused by the law book. Prohibition creates problems. You ought not ignore that.

Democracies require educated populations to function; ignorant populations cannot govern themselves from the ballot box.

Can't the same be said for drug-basotted populations?

13 posted on 06/09/2014 6:22:03 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Wolfie

Or that some people need to be protected against themselves.


14 posted on 06/09/2014 6:23:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: mgist
The heroin is coming from Afghanistan which has record level poppy production and still protected by the US military.

Well, of course it is. It is their only (or one of their only) cash crops. The USA and the West are the major users of heroin.

Why grow food to feed Afghanistan when the Afghan owners of those poppy fields can get even richer by supplying the West with heroin?

Greed.

15 posted on 06/09/2014 6:23:46 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Steely Tom
Democracies require educated populations to function; ignorant populations cannot govern themselves from the ballot box.
Can't the same be said for drug-basotted populations?

Lol. Why YES, it can.

16 posted on 06/09/2014 6:24:48 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

No Blood for Opium. US Out of Afghanistan.


17 posted on 06/09/2014 6:27:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Wolfie
In other words, Big Government works.

Yes, it does.

The commies will add a caveat: Big Army also helps to keep said Big Government in charge.

One system VOTES the Big Government in.
One system FORCES the Big Government in and KEEPS it in.

18 posted on 06/09/2014 6:28:12 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: dfwgator
No Blood for Opium. US Out of Afghanistan.

No Blood for Opium. US Out of Afghanistan.

Amen.

19 posted on 06/09/2014 6:29:24 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
The fifth commandment, "Thou shalt not kill," also applies to behavior that is suicidal, such as drugs, alcoholism, over eating, never moving and such.

What federal policies do you support to combat overeating and never moving? Do you favor Moochelle 0bama's food czarina-dom?

20 posted on 06/09/2014 7:04:58 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Most of the "drug" problem isn't caused by drug use, it's caused by the law book. Prohibition creates problems.

Most of the drug problem is caused by the welfare state, which is the great enabler. Prior to the welfare state, alcohol and drug abuse was self-limiting because addicts who exhausted the support capacity, or the tolerance, of their families were reduced to squalor and died pretty quickly. It was ugly, but effective. Today we feed, house and medicate them, and they live, breed, and vote democrat.

21 posted on 06/09/2014 7:11:20 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx

I grew up in Miami in the 80’s and 90’s. I never saw heroin in my life. There was cocaine, and since there really was a war on drugs, it was too expensive for curious kids.

Back then the DEA was in Colombia burning coca fields, drug interceptions before entering the country made nightly news. What is going on now is a farce.

Today heroin is cheaper, and easier to get than beer, and “just say no” turned into “legalize, it’s medicinal”. Billions $ have been spent on this social engineering of narcotic drug use by elitists who will profit from the misery of others. Afghan poppy fields are at record production under US military protection, and we have an opium epidemic in the country that exceeds alcohol and car accidents in accidental deaths. World markets are being flooded with pure heroin, and world citizens are bring deceived beyond most people’s comprehension.

Our complicit government has the blood of American children on its hands, along with the enabling “media”. God will take care of them, everyone else take care of your families.


22 posted on 06/09/2014 9:14:29 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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I would begin by drug testing all applicants for welfare benefits. Test clean, or no benefits, period, beyond a hard labor program to keep you fed. Children? No problem. Take ‘em away. An unemployable junkie is by definition an unfit parent. Get clean and get a job, or lose your kids.

I do not regard this as cruel or punitive. It is tough love. If drugs are the problem, we need to deal first with the drugs. Enabling addiction is precisely the wrong thing to do.


23 posted on 06/09/2014 10:10:27 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: ConservingFreedom
1. What federal policies do you support to combat overeating and never moving? 2. Do you favor Moochelle 0bama's food czarina-dom?

1. There IS no federal policy to give out BACKBONE and self control. Weight Watchers is a GOOD first start. They talk about exercise too. It does cost, but it's worth it.

2. I favor NOTHING from her, nothing.

24 posted on 06/09/2014 11:34:24 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
The fifth commandment, "Thou shalt not kill," also applies to behavior that is suicidal, such as drugs, alcoholism, over eating, never moving and such

What federal policies do you support to combat overeating and never moving? Do you favor Moochelle 0bama's food czarina-dom?

There IS no federal policy to give out BACKBONE and self control.

I'm all for backbone and self control. Are they also what you advocate to combat drugs and alcoholism - or do you for some reason favor laws in those cases but not overeating and never moving?

25 posted on 06/09/2014 11:39:58 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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I'm all for backbone and self control. Are they also what you advocate to combat drugs and alcoholism - or do you for some reason favor laws in those cases but not overeating and never moving?

Backbone and self control also preclude drugs and alcoholism, or didn't you know that?

26 posted on 06/09/2014 11:47:29 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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I'm all for backbone and self control. Are they also what you advocate to combat drugs and alcoholism - or do you for some reason favor laws in those cases but not overeating and never moving?

Backbone and self control also preclude drugs and alcoholism

Absolutely. How does that relate to your point that "Laws WERE made for a purpose and they were MEANT to protect people" - or were you just free-associating in post #10?

27 posted on 06/09/2014 11:51:42 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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Absolutely. How does that relate to your point that "Laws WERE made for a purpose and they were MEANT to protect people" - or were you just free-associating in post #10?

Laws are for those who WON'T protect themselves or their children. When they break those laws, they go to prison.
That's the deal: you do the crime; you do the time.

By the way, why on earth would you care so much if I should happen to "free-associate"? Why do you care? You need a life.

28 posted on 06/09/2014 12:01:07 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
I'm all for backbone and self control. Are they also what you advocate to combat drugs and alcoholism - or do you for some reason favor laws in those cases but not overeating and never moving?

Backbone and self control also preclude drugs and alcoholism

Absolutely. How does that relate to your point that "Laws WERE made for a purpose and they were MEANT to protect people" - or were you just free-associating in post #10?

Laws are for those who WON'T protect themselves or their children. When they break those laws, they go to prison.

So we need to imprison those who won't protect themselves or their children from drugs and alcoholism - but we don't need to imprison those who won't protect themselves or their children from overeating and never moving. Why is that?

You need a life.

Hey, I'm not the one cluttering up conservative forums with free association.

29 posted on 06/09/2014 12:05:51 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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Hey, I'm not the one cluttering up conservative forums with free association.

So who made YOU the moderator and the arbiter of "clutter"?
You are paying WAY too much attention to me. Get a life.

30 posted on 06/09/2014 12:11:19 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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You are paying WAY too much attention to me.

I find your squirming and wriggling hypnotic.

So we need to imprison those who won't protect themselves or their children from drugs and alcoholism - but we don't need to imprison those who won't protect themselves or their children from overeating and never moving. Why is that?

31 posted on 06/09/2014 12:13:43 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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They proclaimed that a certain LARGE field was a place that "anything goes." They tried it out for a year. It was a catastrophe of drugs, alcohol, sex and filth.

This is not drug legalization. It's a plan to collect all the drug users in one place, not a good idea. And there are laws they could've enforced on public use of drugs, alcohol and sex. No overnight camping. And hygiene. Who owned the large field? The government? Let's regulate public behavior and give that a try. Drugs were completely legal in this country up to 1906, when drug laws were passed by the Progressives to bring us in line with International Treaties that were pushed by the US. Sound familiar?

32 posted on 06/09/2014 2:48:52 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: Steely Tom

If government is limited, as our constitution intended, it doesn’t matter much what voters do, because the power of government is so small. And I don’t think we’ve produced better politicians with an “educated populace” than with an “uneducated” voting population. I prefer to have informed voters, rather than “educated” ones.


33 posted on 06/09/2014 2:51:17 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: sphinx

The welfare state was also created by the law book, but you do make a great point. We need to massively reduce the size and scope of the Federal Government.


34 posted on 06/09/2014 2:52:40 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

The problem I have with Libertarians is that they are dangerously ignorant of the world in which we live. Soros has spent too much money either influencing or compromising the party.

Heroin turned powerful nations with amazing culture, such as China and Iran, into slave nations.

The Federal governments role is to protect and support general welfare. That is what we pay taxes for.

Heroin is NOT alcohol that can be consumed periodically without ending in deadly addiction. The Feds are not doing their job allowing Poisonous heroin, killer “spice marijuana” from China, and approving opiods and other highly addictive substances, even for children, giving doctors and parents a VERY false sense of security.

The Feds are in cahoots with the cartels and that is treason. Taxation without representation is tyranny.


35 posted on 06/10/2014 5:03:28 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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“Heroin turned powerful nations with amazing culture, such as China and Iran, into slave nations.”

When opiates were legal in this country, addiction was low,and declining in the late 19th century.

“The Federal governments role is to protect and support general welfare.”

The Constitution’ s general welfare clause is a statement of purpose not a grant of authority; federal authority is limited to its explicitly enumerated powers, which don’t include regulating any drugs that don’t cross state or national borders.

“Heroin is NOT alcohol that can be consumed periodically without ending in deadly addiction.”

Of all those who ever used alcohol, 15% at some time were dependent; the percentage for heroin is 23% - higher, but a difference of degree not of kind.


36 posted on 06/10/2014 8:51:57 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

In them19th century this country had limited access to heroin regardless of legality.

Heroin wasn’t grown in this hemisphere. It has always been understood that supply leads effects rates of addiction. The nature of addictions vary as well.

Crack, heroin, etc. are deadly addictions. Opiate deaths have already SURPASSED alcohol and car accidents in accidental,deaths in this country. Not caring about children and “the weak” among us, is notmsomething anyone should be willing to agree with.


37 posted on 06/10/2014 10:21:07 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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Heroin wasn’t grown in this hemisphere.

And still isn't - so on that evidence the risk should be no greater than it was.

Opiate deaths have already SURPASSED alcohol and car accidents in accidental,deaths in this country.

One can always use one's freedom so as to harm oneself - the only alternative is a nanny state ... which leads to its own harms because banned activities can't be regulated or controlled.

Not caring about children and “the weak” among us, is notmsomething anyone should be willing to agree with.

We're taking away your freedoms for your own good: a verse from the 0bama/Hillary songbook.

38 posted on 06/10/2014 1:43:09 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: mgist
There's so much wrong with your reply, I've decided to reply to each statement. "The problem I have with Libertarians is that they are dangerously ignorant of the world in which we live. Soros has spent too much money either influencing or compromising the party."

In other words, you disagree with libertarians and I've spent alot of time among libertarians and I don't find them ignorant of the world. Libertarians supported drug legalization way before Soros ever came on the scene. Soros focuses more on liberal groups, not libertarians. "Heroin turned powerful nations with amazing culture, such as China and Iran, into slave nations."

Really? That's the cause? Big government, corruption, oppression and confiscatory taxation weren't causes? I'm pretty well up on drug history, I've never heard this claim about Iran before. The British conducted and won the Opium Wars against China to open China up to opium. Obviously, this disaster happened before China was "destroyed" by heroin. So, what was then the cause of Chinese weakness?

After the ChiComs took power, they wiped out the opium trade by killing dealers, users and others. Did that "liberate" China or was China even more of a slave state without drugs under Mao, who murdered over 100 million Chinese in his various Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolutions and general murderous rampages against anyone considered an opponent or not. "The Federal governments role is to protect and support general welfare. That is what we pay taxes for."

That's general welfare, not specific welfare. Also, why are you picking up and using debunked liberal talking points? General Welfare is in the Preamable to the Constitution, it is not a grant of specific, enumerated power, which are listed in Article I, Section 8. Regulating drugs is not in that list and the Federal Government as zero authority to say anything about drugs, legal or illegal. "Heroin is NOT alcohol that can be consumed periodically without ending in deadly addiction. The Feds are not doing their job allowing Poisonous heroin, killer “spice marijuana” from China, and approving opiods and other highly addictive substances, even for children, giving doctors and parents a VERY false sense of security."

Wrong. There are occassional users of heroin, who don't get addicted or enslaved to heroin. And I'll admit, illegal drugs are not pharmaceutical grade and anyone who uses them are fools. Second, there is only one drug that has been powerful enough and pervasive enough to affect entire cultures due to the use of the drug. That drug IS alcohol. Look at Russia, American Indians and other countries have terrible alcoholism problems. "The Feds are in cahoots with the cartels and that is treason. Taxation without representation is tyranny."

Gee whiz, you're on board that drug prohibition or any prohibition causes corruption.

Over all, my main point has been is that drug prohibitionist ignore the problems caused by prohibition. Many of the problems they blame on drug use is actually the result of the misuse of law and drug prohibition. Let's way up the costs and benefits of the law instead of continuing to ignore the costs.

39 posted on 06/11/2014 8:20:30 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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