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Cloward-Piven at the border
Human Events ^ | 6/9/14 | John Hayward

Posted on 06/09/2014 7:36:33 AM PDT by Nachum

Back in the Sixties, Marxists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven came up with a great strategy for overloading and collapsing democratic welfare states, paving the way for socialist tyranny. Basically, the idea was to hit the system with a tidal wave of demands it couldn’t refuse, and couldn’t possibly fulfill. The Left would then insist that the moral argument for the system remained intact, so the only way to meet those impossible demands was to scrap every vestige of Constitutional restraint and republican self-government, instituting a totalitarian system that in theory would forcibly restructure society to promote “fairness” and give all those government dependents what they “deserve.” (In practice, of course, what you actually get is an iron-fisted dictatorship that cooks up reports to make itself look good, or simply tells the unhappy citizens to shut up and obey when things deteriorate to the point that no volume of phony reports can paper over the problems – say, when the glorious worker’s paradise of Venezuela runs out of tap water.)

Cloward and Piven were specifically interested in replacing welfare programs with a government-guaranteed annual income for everyone – an idea that still emerges from the more absurd quarters of the Left occasionally – but the basic idea of overloading the republican system and replacing it with centrally-planned tyranny can be applied in many different ways. Take a look at the humanitarian crisis on the southern border, which I wrote about two weeks ago. It has since burst onto the front pages with some astonishing stories, including leaked photos of illegal alien children – many of them 12 years old and younger – “warehoused” in overcrowded facilities, where there are growing concerns about sanitation and disease. CBS News in Houston writes of unaccompanied minors sleeping on plastic boards in a

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1 posted on 06/09/2014 7:36:33 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 06/09/2014 7:37:07 AM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

As with Alinsky. Claims about caring for the poor are just BS to cover the fact that they see the poor as rungs on a ladder to be stepped on.


3 posted on 06/09/2014 7:38:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Nachum

But, we cannot even “dream” of Articles of Impeachment, says the Surrender Monkey Caucus here.

BOHICA


4 posted on 06/09/2014 7:40:28 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Nachum

Record numbers out of the labor force.
Record numbers on welfare.
Record numbers on Food Stamps.
Record numbers of 'disabled'.

The time is near...

when tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty

5 posted on 06/09/2014 7:44:03 AM PDT by Fear The People (When the government fears the people, you have LIBERTY.)
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To: Nachum

Well, the people of this country are not only allowing their elected officials to allow this to happen, they themselves are allowing this to happen.

Where’s the outrage over this? I don’t see any.


6 posted on 06/09/2014 7:47:46 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: don-o
How can you say that about the wonderful GOP and how they stood up to the onslaught of tyranny from the left every step of the way…. Phessawwww… sorry… I thought I could get through typing that with a straight face..

The problem for the Surrender Monkey Caucus is that sooner of later Articles of Impeachment will be necessary.

Does anyone really think that Obummer is going to just go so far in destroying the country and then stop?

He’s going to keep going until he is Impeached … better to do it now and limit the damage then later on..

7 posted on 06/09/2014 7:51:14 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: Nachum

With a little help from his friend the GOP they will all get to stay.


8 posted on 06/09/2014 7:55:33 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Nachum

bttt


9 posted on 06/09/2014 7:56:58 AM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (End the political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Nachum; All
these "(Marxist) professors"; should've been ostracized, when they "proposed" this CR@P.
these Marxist cretins; really needed to actually work in "the real world", not "the fantasy of the
college faculty lounge..If they *itch about it, fire 'em

10 posted on 06/09/2014 7:59:11 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Nachum

These were Obama’s teachers and ‘guidance’ counselors.


11 posted on 06/09/2014 8:09:25 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: HammerT
He’s going to keep going until he is Impeached … better to do it now and limit the damage then later on...

If he's impeached and not removed from office it's just an enabling act - he'll consider himself immune to retribution. He's going to have to be impeached over and over and over again until the Senate gets the message. All that time there won't be a chance in hell of any limit to his malfeasance - he'll just double down. There's really only one chance for justice to be done, and right now it resides with Harry Reid. OOOOOPS!

So impeachment is futile, and dangerous. However he knows this, so he'll still ratchet up the lawlessness secure that he's safe from retribution. DOUBLE OOOOOOOPS!

Personally I'm leaning in favor of impeachment, because at least we can draw a line in the sand. But it's still the Alamo.

12 posted on 06/09/2014 8:14:16 AM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: Nachum

Cloward-Piven at the border, internal/eternal enemies in the house, congress, courts and states.


13 posted on 06/09/2014 8:16:20 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Nachum

This is interesting:

“Contrary to popular mythology about President Obama being some sort of deportation hard-liner, the truth is that most of his “deportations” were actually catch-and-release scenarios played out at the border – people who were essentially repulsed rather than caught and deported. Such people were not counted as “deportations” in the past – remember what I said about the government cooking the books to make itself look better? Well, catch-and-release only works when the illegal aliens in question come from Mexico. There’s no practical method for sending the wave of families and unaccompanied minors surging in from Central America back to their homes.”


14 posted on 06/09/2014 8:21:08 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Nachum
It's an INVASION is what is is.

And Obama has caused it!

This is why Conservatives have always wanted a Secure Border BEFORE any Amnesty negotiations.

15 posted on 06/09/2014 8:21:33 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Nachum
Cloward and Piven were specifically interested in replacing welfare programs with a government-guaranteed annual income for everyone

Flawed theology. If this were the case no one would work. A pay check would be guaranteed.
Where would the financial support to pay for it all come from? Children would have to be forced to work in the fields after their indoctrination classes every day to feed the nations freeloading. They wouldn't be able to keep up with the food demands, so certain segments of the population would have to be "eliminated" as useless eaters to make sure there would be enough to go around.
History has seen this all play out before. It always ends up the same. Millions will end up dead. It happens every time socialism is tried.

16 posted on 06/09/2014 8:23:49 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Nachum; Liz; South40; HiJinx

Have a heart. All I see is an Act Of Love.../s


17 posted on 06/09/2014 8:25:12 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Nachum
Coping: With that Low-Motion War With Mexico
18 posted on 06/09/2014 8:28:45 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: no-s

Compare this to the initial crimes of a juvenile delinquent where it’s not punished properly and doesn’t learn the lesson.

Most of the time the crimes only get worse and worse, rarely do they correct themselves on their own.

If the GOP doesn’t take action to maintain the rule of law, history will judge them just as harshly as it will the DNC.

They crow a lot about freedom and the rule of law, but when the spit hits the fan where are they?


19 posted on 06/09/2014 8:28:58 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: don-o
An unfortunate reality is that the libs are doing everything they can to goad republicans into moving toward impeachment. They know full well the media would go into a full blown frenzy over the racism on display and it would doom all conservative candidates. (Look at how they have been able to drive home the idea that the Tea Party is racist.)

Obama is well aware of his pigmentation immunity and that is why he pushes the envelope every week with a new dictatorial move that most will dare not oppose. Lazy people are easily led, this is the danger of a partisan media...


20 posted on 06/09/2014 8:29:38 AM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Nachum

Why do we need Cloward-Piven at the border when we have it in the WH?


21 posted on 06/09/2014 8:30:29 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG
"Cloward and Piven were specifically interested in replacing welfare programs with a government-guaranteed annual income for everyone – an idea that still emerges from the more absurd quarters of the Left occasionally – but the basic idea of overloading the republican system and replacing it with centrally-planned tyranny can be applied in many different ways."

What liberals know is that such an idea cannot be paid for, but the media leads the lazy into thinking it's a good idea.

22 posted on 06/09/2014 8:32:49 AM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: skinkinthegrass

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23 posted on 06/09/2014 8:33:32 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Nachum

Are these the two marxists that Obama and Stephanapous studied under at Columbia??


24 posted on 06/09/2014 8:50:24 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Nachum

It is not just the border.

The “Signature” of the Ophonybama administration is Cloward-Piven, and that will be his legacy.

Ophonybama and his LIEberal/Socialist/Marxist/Fascist thugs have used C-P strategy throughout their reign of terror against the American people.

Bob Livingston makes a cogent case for impeaching Ophonybama here: http://personalliberty.com/case-obamas-impeachment/

It is a great read.

I sent the article to Congressman Ander Crenshaw and called upon him to introduce Articles of Impeachment in the House.

I also sent it to Senator Rubio and asked him to support and vote for impeachment when the trial gets to the Senate.

No response FRom either of them, just yet.


25 posted on 06/09/2014 8:50:49 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: Nachum
Two can play 0bama’s little game.

All it takes is some gumption.

Border governors should declare martial law along the border and invoke the national guard to patrol and enforce it. They are sovereign states and have the right and duty to act.

When liberals scream and federal judges issue injunctions, the governors tell the feds to get stuffed, as they have a crisis to deal with.

If Barry wants a crisis, he can have one.

Of course, Republicans will never act in this way, because Karl Rove will tell them it polls badly in suburban Virginia.

26 posted on 06/09/2014 8:53:14 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: PGalt

The Ophonybama administration will be known as the Cloward-Pliven Thugocracy Regime.

Our formely Law and Order society is being overrun by thugs implementing Cloward-Pliven throughout America.

If we don’t stop them, America as we knew it, is doomed!


27 posted on 06/09/2014 9:10:41 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: mojito
Border governors should declare martial law along the border and invoke the national guard to patrol and enforce it. They are sovereign states and have the right and duty to act.

But that is precisely what he wants. He wants to deconstruct our civil society and install a paramilitary dictatorship. Americans are used to freedom of movement and this is yet another step in militarization.

The left WANTS confrontation. They yearn for it. When there is disorder, they feel that the masses are more easily motivated.

28 posted on 06/09/2014 9:12:07 AM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: don-o

(/center) what????


29 posted on 06/09/2014 9:36:23 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Personally I like the ChiCom solution: make the so-called “intellectuals” work in the fields as migrant workers, digging ditches and for an American twist, work at Walmart as janitors and live on a working man’s salary.

Wonder how long they would last?


30 posted on 06/09/2014 11:14:34 AM PDT by Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi ( Gen. 12:3: a warning to all anti-semites.)
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To: Nachum; Jim Robinson; Old Sarge; xzins; rockinqsranch; shibumi; boxlunch; easternsky; ...
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Headlines on Drudge:

AMERICA STUGGLES WITH SURGE IN CHILD MIGRATION...
JUDGE: 'Government has simply chosen not to enforce border security laws'...
Sheriffs: Feds Should Pay for Housing...
Agents threatened with firing after photos leak...

FEDS DROP PLANELOADS OF ILLEGALS IN EL PASO...
HUNDREDS MORE SHIPPED TO AZ...

MEMO: 230,000 children expected over 24 months...
Growing concern of diseases...
No end in sight for 'dumping' policy...

31 posted on 06/09/2014 11:24:36 AM PDT by LucyT (If you're not paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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Meanwhile:

Audit: More than 63,000 veterans waiting for care

Mon June 9, 2014

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/09/politics/va-audit/index.html

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32 posted on 06/09/2014 11:32:35 AM PDT by LucyT (If you're not paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: LucyT

And thanks to Ted Kennedy’s time in the Senate he put the strategy in place to do the same in education, health care and environment. All collapsing when the Alinsky/Marxists are in control. Why can’t our side see this!


33 posted on 06/09/2014 11:32:45 AM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: mojito

Border governors should declare martial law along the border and invoke the national guard to patrol and enforce it. They are sovereign states and have the right and duty to act.

Well then WHY DON’T THEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW FOR GOD’S SAKE. What the hell is Perry doing?


34 posted on 06/09/2014 11:35:49 AM PDT by angcat
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To: LucyT; melancholy
Federal officials told Brewer Friday that the practice will continue for the foreseeable future, and this weekend more than 1,000 illegal immigrant children will be “dumped” in Arizona. Adults and family units will also arrive, though Brewer was not told how many, her office said.”

This was supposed to stop on Sunday but from what I hear they're still coming. The ones that come are given food, water, clothing, diapers, etc. Plus a checkup and vaccinations. AZ should bus them to dee cee and Cape Cod.

35 posted on 06/09/2014 12:20:27 PM PDT by azishot
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To: LucyT

Lucy, thanks for the ping. I have been thinking exactly this. It’s intentional, and it’s aimed primarily at red states Texas and Arizona.

Maddening. Will we ever recover from what this bunch of thugs have done to our country?


36 posted on 06/09/2014 12:49:19 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: azishot; LucyT

“AZ should bus them to dee cee and Cape Cod.”

Good idea!

There’s also that new empty house in Asheville, NC. It should be used for the poor squatters. After all, illegal immigrants are 0b0z0’s people.

That also should go for the districts where Boehner, Cantor and any other RHINOs represent.


37 posted on 06/09/2014 1:57:58 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi; All
or Pol Pot's method..shot after show trial;

ChiCOM: How long? 180/360 days..sooner,
if they argue w/ the guards, which they will do.


38 posted on 06/09/2014 2:45:37 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: LucyT

If I were Brewer I would put them on a bus to the National Mall, tell em Obama will take care of you.


39 posted on 06/09/2014 3:19:07 PM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: Nachum

Obama has reinvented the “Children’s Crusade”


40 posted on 06/09/2014 3:55:10 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: don-o

The GOP does not see, or does not want to see, how bad they look for allowing Obama to wreck this country. Who can rely on or vote for quislings.


41 posted on 06/09/2014 3:58:55 PM PDT by dforest
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To: LucyT
Feds Should Pay for Housing

With what? Monopoly money? No matter which pot it comes out of, it's all moneyout of US taxpayers' pockets. Ship them back from whence they came and close the bleepin' border already.

42 posted on 06/09/2014 4:52:58 PM PDT by bgill
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To: The Great RJ

Obama’s “Children’s Crusade” at the Broder...

The word “Crusade” is seen with disdain in this PC world, and the term “Children’s Crusade” is cursed as a horrible term in Hiostory Academia...

What is the “Manufactured Crisis” except for another “Children’s Crusade”....

Barry O’Bama’s “Children’s Crusade”....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade

[ The Children’s Crusade is the name given to a disastrous Crusade by European Christians to expel Muslims from the Holy Land said to have taken place in 1212. The traditional narrative is probably conflated from some factual and mythical notions of the period including visions by a French or German boy, an intention to peacefully convert Muslims in the Holy Land to Christianity, bands of children marching to Italy, and children being sold into slavery. ]

Children on their way to the border have been sold into sex slavery....

Obama is literally creating a “Children’s Crusade” at our southern border....

Yes I agree, we need to start pinning this term on the Crisis...

Obama’s “Children’s Crusade Against America”


43 posted on 06/10/2014 1:48:45 PM PDT by GraceG
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