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What If Putin Threatens Us With War Over Alaska?
The Washington Post ^ | June 8, 2014 | By Will Baude

Posted on 06/09/2014 9:42:57 AM PDT by Strategy

This isn't related to the core enumerated powers questions in Bond but struck me as sufficiently interesting that it was worth posting about separately. In his post about Bond, Mark Tushnet writes:

This isn't Justice Thomas's problem but James Madison's [but] Justice Thomas quotes Madison to the effect that treaty cannot "dismember the empire." Really? Suppose Vladimir Putin lets the United States know that he's going to bomb the bejeezus out of the "red" states of the United States unless we negotiate a treaty returning Alaska to Russia. Work out the scenario as you wish, but I doubt that it's a good constitutional design to require the U.S. government to take the negotiating position, "We're fine with giving up Alaska but unfortunately we can't do it, so bomb away."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: alaska; military; obama; putin; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 06/09/2014 9:42:57 AM PDT by Strategy
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To: Strategy

I guess the “O” administration would employ their default mode... bluster THEN surrender.


2 posted on 06/09/2014 9:43:49 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: SMARTY

All these years we thought he was from Kenya...now we learn he really was from France!


3 posted on 06/09/2014 9:45:00 AM PDT by Portcall24 (aer)
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To: Strategy

Somewhat unrelated but I did just see this on Twitter.

Russian Su-27 Flanker suspected to manouver under radar deep in Finnish aerospace. http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-1288698939171.html … (Finnish news)

Somebody will have to translate.


4 posted on 06/09/2014 9:45:24 AM PDT by McGruff (What if I told you your leaders were lying to you?)
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To: Strategy

Amazing that Russia, as gigantic as it still is, at one time had huge Alaska.


5 posted on 06/09/2014 9:46:00 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Strategy

I guess we’ll get back under the next Republican administration.


6 posted on 06/09/2014 9:47:13 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: Strategy

The lefty author is obviously a surrender monkey.


7 posted on 06/09/2014 9:47:21 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: Strategy
Suppose Vladimir Putin lets the United States know that he's going to bomb the bejeezus out of the "red" states of the United States unless we negotiate a treaty returning Alaska to Russia.

Obama will refuse to negotiate and bless the destruction of 'Red States'.

THEN when Russia has finished, Obama will surrender Alaska.

If Putin merely asks for Alaska instead of threatening to bomb Red States, Obama will surrender Alaska and claim that the life of every American was at risk if he did not surrender it.

8 posted on 06/09/2014 9:47:36 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Strategy

We go to war!


9 posted on 06/09/2014 9:48:20 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Strategy
The United States cannot surrender a state, even to someone who was not a tinpot, hollow threat like Vladimir Putin.

The Constitution provides for the common defense, not the partial abandonment.

10 posted on 06/09/2014 9:49:21 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Strategy

Alaska was sold by Russia, it was not taken.

Leave it to the anti-American WP to attempt to legitimize Russian claim to US territory.

“...he will be a traitor and a saboteur”.

Describes liberals perfectly.


11 posted on 06/09/2014 9:49:44 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Strategy
What if China threatened war over Hawaii?

Or Cuba over Florida?

Ummm, we've got an out-of-control President who thinks he's a dictator and an Attorney General who feels his job is to build cases against Obama's political opponents.

There's enough real problems on the plate...

12 posted on 06/09/2014 9:50:43 AM PDT by GOPJ (#2 reply spot RESERVED for Tokyo Rose comments: "nothing works - give up - it's all hopeless".)
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To: Strategy
The headline isn't exactly what the article was about, but legalistic convolutions tend to have a rather small target audience.

The Russians used to have a claim on San Francisco, too. I say we give it to 'em.

13 posted on 06/09/2014 9:51:09 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: defconw

“I guess we’ll get back under the next Republican administration.”

Assuming there is one.


14 posted on 06/09/2014 9:51:12 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Strategy

Better pray this doesn’t happen with Obummer in power.


15 posted on 06/09/2014 9:52:41 AM PDT by Vinylly (?%)
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To: SMARTY

Putin knows he has the “flexibility” for at least two more years to bust a move with little to no resistance from Obama. From Putin’s perspective, why not?

They say timing is everything. Right now its clearly in Putin’s favor.


16 posted on 06/09/2014 9:52:42 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Huskrrrr
If that’s the case, Alaskans might be better off with Russia, at least they still believe in God.
17 posted on 06/09/2014 9:52:56 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: wideawake

The Constitution provides for the common defense, not the partial abandonment.


But The One has a pen and a phone. He don’t need no steenkin constitution.


18 posted on 06/09/2014 9:53:08 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Strategy

Technically the land deal done with Seward in the late 1800’s was done with the Russian Monarchy and not the Glorious Communist Party of der People and is therefore invalid in “Bergdahl Barry’s” little commie pinko mind so all Putin has to do is ask and Alaska can go back to being a Russian Province.

I am sure they could probably justify giving it back as correcting the horrible “American Colonialism” that occured when we “unfairly swindled the Russians” out of it buy paying below market value for it...

Maybe all those border chilfdren they are bussing in can take back the Gadsten purchase too.....


19 posted on 06/09/2014 9:53:48 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Strategy
What If Putin Threatens Us With War Over Alaska?

Do we still have the receipt?

20 posted on 06/09/2014 9:54:36 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Billthedrill

[ The Russians used to have a claim on San Francisco, too. I say we give it to ‘em. ]

I like this idea, Barry can say this is to fix the wrongs of American Colonilism and the the people that live there can start healing their own colons as the Russian policies the liberls hate so much can immediatly be applied...


21 posted on 06/09/2014 9:55:10 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Strategy

Russia sold the Alaska Territory to the U.S. in 1867 by formal treaty (”Seward’s Folly”, it was called by those who thought Alaska worthless), so does Putin now simply abrogate a treaty that is even more valid now than it was during the Soviet era?

Or is “Red Dawn” about to happen for real? Do the Russians think our military is that demoralized?

Just what are the capabilities of today’s Russian Army? What is their order of battle? Seems Putin could not even make good on invading eastern Ukraine.


22 posted on 06/09/2014 9:55:12 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: wideawake
The Constitution provides for the common defense, not the partial abandonment.

The CONSTITUTION? Are you kidding? Where have you been, citizen?

Obama disobeys the Constitution every day, even as he talks about the importance of following "International Law." Well, at least we've got a Congress who keeps him in check. Oh wait. We don't.

23 posted on 06/09/2014 9:55:13 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: wideawake

The Constitution provides for the common defense, not the partial abandonment.

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Liberals don’t respect the Constitution. To them its a “living document” subject to revision.


24 posted on 06/09/2014 9:55:30 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Kathy in Alaska; KC_Lion; Jet Jaguar; All

I think Vlady would learn

The Right way, wrong way or Noreweign way LOL!

Ask any Deadliest catch fan know that quote LOL!

I think certain Mama Grizzley and Alaskan freepers would give him hassle


25 posted on 06/09/2014 9:58:07 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: wideawake

[ The United States cannot surrender a state, even to someone who was not a tinpot, hollow threat like Vladimir Putin.

The Constitution provides for the common defense, not the partial abandonment. ]

Bammy is not bound by the Constitution...

Also he could just keep the part of Alaska that border British Colombia and give the rest to the Ruskies....

Alaska could go from being our biggest states to one of the smallest states...


26 posted on 06/09/2014 9:58:12 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: wideawake
The Constitution provides ...

The consitiution provides for a lot of things - like the Bill of Rights. 0bama wipes his a$$ on it every day.

27 posted on 06/09/2014 9:58:47 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: luvbach1

Reason is they got rid of Alaska Catherine the Great thought it was too much open space for Russia empire hold on

She didn’t see in the future that be reality show US president vp caindate, Alaska US Freepers LOL!

Cathy the Great mess up on it


28 posted on 06/09/2014 9:59:11 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Strategy; All

Well, for starters “the one” will wet his pants...after that, name calling, sanctions, and whining, OMG he will start whining...mostly the response will be un-American by nature.

Basically, I would love to play poker with the resident...since he can’t bluff and he has absolutely zero testicular fortitude it would literally be like taking candy from a baby.

It is a damn shame that this once great and powerful nation actually feel into the hands of such a rank amateur.


29 posted on 06/09/2014 9:59:18 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Maceman

Good post. Obama, his globalist pals and the self-serving politicians in our so-called “congress” don’t give a damn about the U.S. Constitution. To them its nothing more than a quaint historical curiosity.


30 posted on 06/09/2014 10:01:18 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Strategy

Ah, no problem. All Obemba has to do is to demand that Russia pay us off for all of the World War II debt that Russia owes us in ‘lend-lease’ and freebies that amounted to millions and millions of dollars after WWII, with interest. That’ll shut ol’ Putin up!


31 posted on 06/09/2014 10:01:58 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: Strategy

Well if he does we will need someone with cojones to face him down. Better get Sarah on the phone now!


32 posted on 06/09/2014 10:03:10 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: GraceG

If Putin threatened Alaska, after Obama calls for a cease fire, Palin sends out the call for American Patriots to go to Alaska to fight back the Soviet horde.

Obama calls them traitors and requests Eric Holder arrest Palin for treason. Palin tells Obama where to stick it, Reid blames the Koch Brothers, Schumer goes on the Sunday shows and declares that if we had gun control this never would have happened. The following Monday, 10 are killed in an explosion at a local McDonalds. 2 of the 5 Taliban released takes responsibility.


33 posted on 06/09/2014 10:04:58 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: SevenofNine; GraceG; cripplecreek; onyx

If ubama ever did something truly that stupid.

There would be a revolution in this country and Sarah Palin herself would literally toss mr. Eunuch into Puget Sound.

And Putin.


34 posted on 06/09/2014 10:05:35 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: areukiddingme1

[ It is a damn shame that this once great and powerful nation actually feel into the hands of such a rank amateur. ]

I Blame out celebrity culture.

I am thinking we need to start doing “Howard Beele Flash Mobs” where one person stands up in a public place, gives a howard beele type speech and leaves.


35 posted on 06/09/2014 10:06:40 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: KC_Lion

LOL!

I think more like Time bandit crew would attack Russia army with guns and fireworks like they did once with get revenge on FV Northwestern


36 posted on 06/09/2014 10:06:51 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
[ If Putin threatened Alaska, after Obama calls for a cease fire, Palin sends out the call for American Patriots to go to Alaska to fight back the Soviet horde.

Obama calls them traitors and requests Eric Holder arrest Palin for treason. Palin tells Obama where to stick it, Reid blames the Koch Brothers, Schumer goes on the Sunday shows and declares that if we had gun control this never would have happened. The following Monday, 10 are killed in an explosion at a local McDonalds. 2 of the 5 Taliban released takes responsibility. ]

What will happen if Russia decides to take alaska back...

37 posted on 06/09/2014 10:08:33 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

[ Ah, no problem. All Obemba has to do is to demand that Russia pay us off for all of the World War II debt that Russia owes us in ‘lend-lease’ and freebies that amounted to millions and millions of dollars after WWII, with interest. That’ll shut ol’ Putin up! ]

NOPE... all that money we gave to russia was Colonial Blood Money used to control Russia according to obama’s mentors and by extension Ubama...


38 posted on 06/09/2014 10:09:51 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: McGruff

Russia has threatened Finland re Finland’s potentially joining NATO...

http://www.eutimes.net/2012/06/finland-will-lose-sovereignty-if-joins-nato-putin/


39 posted on 06/09/2014 10:09:56 AM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Strategy

40 posted on 06/09/2014 10:10:54 AM PDT by McGruff (What if I told you your leaders were lying to you?)
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To: SMARTY

What needs to happen to Obama but unfortunately Putin is the one doing the smacking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2YVyLLKRHw


41 posted on 06/09/2014 10:11:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Strategy

Adios Alaska...


42 posted on 06/09/2014 10:12:00 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: McGruff

>>Somebody will have to translate.<<

I tried to but it was finisshed before I could...


43 posted on 06/09/2014 10:12:50 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (AGW "Scientific method:" Draw your lines first, then plot your points)
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To: Strategy

Discovery Channel would be deeply saddened.


44 posted on 06/09/2014 10:13:40 AM PDT by discostu (Ladies and gentlemen watch Ruth!)
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To: SevenofNine

[ Reason is they got rid of Alaska Catherine the Great thought it was too much open space for Russia empire hold on

She didn’t see in the future that be reality show US president vp caindate, Alaska US Freepers LOL!

Cathy the Great mess up on it ]

Our 49th State for a Horse....


45 posted on 06/09/2014 10:14:10 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: McGruff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvS351QKFV4

Moscou, Moscou!~


46 posted on 06/09/2014 10:15:06 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Strategy

An independent Alaska, even as a Russian vassal state, would at this point be superior to living under the 0bomunist regime.


47 posted on 06/09/2014 10:15:20 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Strategy

Obama would gladly get rid of Palin and all that evil oil...


48 posted on 06/09/2014 10:16:16 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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49 posted on 06/09/2014 10:20:50 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: GraceG

“NOPE... all that money we gave to russia was Colonial Blood Money used to control Russia according to obama’s mentors and by extension Ubama...”

I forgot the /sarc tag. ;-)


50 posted on 06/09/2014 10:21:41 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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