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A Black And White View Of The O.J. Simpson Case 20 Years Later
Huffington Post ^ | 6/8/2014

Posted on 06/09/2014 3:49:04 PM PDT by Altura Ct.

The Simpson murder trial exposed many painful truths. None hit harder than the idea that white and black people often look at the same facts and see different realities.

Today, 20 years after the case captivated and divided the nation, few opinions about the saga have changed. Despite two decades' worth of increasing racial acceptance, the Simpson case still reflects deep-rooted obstacles to a truly united America.

Most people still believe that the black football legend killed his white ex-wife and her friend, polls show. But for many African-Americans, his likely guilt remains overwhelmed by a potent mix: the racism of the lead detective and the history of black mistreatment by the justice system.

For these people, Simpson's acquittal is a powerful rebuke to what they see as America's racial crimes. Others simply see a murderer who played the race card to get away with it. Across the board, emotions remain vivid.

"It was very tense at work," recalls Carlos Carter, who at the time was one of the few black people working in the trust department of a Pittsburgh bank. "The whites felt like OJ was guilty, they were rooting for their team. We thought he was innocent, that he was kind of framed, so we were on the black team."

He adds: "We were consumed with it. Like Sugar Ray Robinson fighting the great white hope. It was like a match. It represented something bigger than the case, the battle between good and evil, the battle between the white man and the black man. It was at that level."

This sentiment, widespread in the black community, was confusing to Shannon Spicker, a white woman who was working her way through college at the time.

"We didn't understand how people could defend him just because he was black"

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1 posted on 06/09/2014 3:49:04 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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"We didn't understand how people could defend him just because he was black"

This is what naive whites don't get or want to understand. When push comes to shove...race wins.

2 posted on 06/09/2014 3:50:36 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

Black man says: “The whites felt like OJ was guilty, they were rooting for their team. We thought he was innocent, that he was kind of framed, so we were on the black team.”

White woman says: “We didn’t understand how people could defend him just because he was black”

He IS guilty. He would be just as GUILTY if he were white. Case closed.


3 posted on 06/09/2014 3:53:25 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Altura Ct.

Just the facts, ma’am.


4 posted on 06/09/2014 3:54:15 PM PDT by Fair Paul
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To: Altura Ct.

You know I think Mark Fuhrman was treated unjustly. The fact that he lied on the stand about saying the N word was not material to the case.

Everybody who worked with the Detective not one came forward and said that he was disrespectful to the black community. On the Contrary.

During the trial I tried to be objective. I think the preliminary hearing was more impactful to me. The Prosecution could have put on the best case including OJ in the act and the jury would have let him walk. I blame this fiasco solely at the fee of Judge Ito.


5 posted on 06/09/2014 3:54:33 PM PDT by waxer1 (A Republic if you can keep it--Benjamin Franklin. Well we lost it.)
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To: Altura Ct.
Most people still believe that the black football legend killed his white ex-wife and her friend, polls show. But for many African-Americans, his likely guilt remains overwhelmed by a potent mix: the racism of the lead detective and the history of black mistreatment by the justice system.

If I'm reading this correctly, it says "many" black people wanted OJ to get away with brutally murdering a white woman.

Thats a lot of hate.

6 posted on 06/09/2014 3:55:43 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Altura Ct.

Blah, blah, blah. He was guilty.


7 posted on 06/09/2014 3:57:40 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: waxer1

Good post.


8 posted on 06/09/2014 3:59:04 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: skeeter
If I'm reading this correctly, it says "many" black people wanted OJ to get away with brutally murdering a white woman.

Thats a lot of hate.

That needs to hang out there awhile! Let that sink in.

9 posted on 06/09/2014 3:59:11 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.
...two decades' worth of increasing racial acceptance....

There's no point in reading further when the writer is so obviously oblivious.

10 posted on 06/09/2014 3:59:29 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Can Juan Williams possibly be that stupid?)
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To: Altura Ct.

When I hear that O.J. has died in prison, hopefully soon, I will be cheering and honking my horn just like the black people did when he was acquitted.


11 posted on 06/09/2014 3:59:33 PM PDT by forgotten man
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To: Altura Ct.
Despite two decades' worth of increasing racial acceptance ..


             

12 posted on 06/09/2014 4:00:25 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: waxer1
Fuhrman is the model for my test for "racism.":

It's what you do, not what you say, that makes you a racist or not.

13 posted on 06/09/2014 4:01:43 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Can Juan Williams possibly be that stupid?)
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To: tomkat

Exactly!!!!!!


14 posted on 06/09/2014 4:01:50 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: Fantasywriter

Thanks.

I know the California DOJ and the Federal DOJ investigated Mr. Fuhrman and found nothing. The injustice aside from Ms. Brown and Mr. Goldman was what happened to him.

This was a huge red flag as a warning to me that the government can do anything to me and there would be hardly a peep.


15 posted on 06/09/2014 4:03:03 PM PDT by waxer1 (A Republic if you can keep it--Benjamin Franklin. Well we lost it.)
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To: waxer1

Case and point: George Zimmerman


16 posted on 06/09/2014 4:05:00 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: DanielRedfoot

Amen to that. Or that poor guy who was arrested in the dead of night by the LEO regarding a so called probation violation when we all know it was over that video tape.


17 posted on 06/09/2014 4:07:30 PM PDT by waxer1 (A Republic if you can keep it--Benjamin Franklin. Well we lost it.)
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To: skeeter

And a white man...let’s not forget Ron Goldman.


18 posted on 06/09/2014 4:08:22 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: skeeter

It sure is. Another thing stuck out at me:

the racism of the lead detective and the history of black mistreatment by the justice system.

He was not racist. But they still accuse Mr. Fuhrman of it.


19 posted on 06/09/2014 4:10:06 PM PDT by waxer1 (A Republic if you can keep it--Benjamin Franklin. Well we lost it.)
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To: Altura Ct.
But for many African-Americans, his likely guilt remains overwhelmed by a potent mix: the racism of the lead detective and the history of black mistreatment by the justice system.

I don't doubt that black racism got OJ off. But OJ was a very rich dude married to a white woman. I never understood how acquitting OJ Simpson served any sort of justice for ordinary blacks.

20 posted on 06/09/2014 4:11:09 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: waxer1

My recollection, and anyone who knows different please correct me if I’m wrong, is that Fuhrman’s use of the word “n****r” was in the context of helping a writer develop dialog for a book.

Therefore not racist. Fuhrman did get caught in the old “do you still beat your wife?” trap, but the truth is that generations of kids who have had to read passages of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn and a host of other books aloud are guilty of just as much “racism” as Fuhrman was. And Hollywood actors like Leo diCaprio (Django Unchained) might as well be members of the Klan.


21 posted on 06/09/2014 4:11:24 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Altura Ct.
"Others simply see a murderer who played the race card to get away with it."

Mark my answer down as:

C) Other

22 posted on 06/09/2014 4:11:45 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: waxer1

I too recall Fuhrman being cleared of racism charges. But to the MSM he will be a racist till he dies, & it will feature prominently in his obituary [if Jesus delays His return that long]. Just like the MSM still claims Scooter Libby ‘outed’ Valerie Plame. Fewer & fewer people even watch the MSM shows, much less take them seriously. Still it’s way too many. The day ***nobody*** believes one word the MSM says will be a very, very good day.


23 posted on 06/09/2014 4:12:49 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Altura Ct.

Huffington Post...why bother?


24 posted on 06/09/2014 4:12:55 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Altura Ct.
Thats the way it is these days with all the grievance groups & professional complainers... the ones bitching the loudest about 'hate' are the ones dealing most of it out.

Take a good look in the mirror, folks.

25 posted on 06/09/2014 4:13:30 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: waxer1

Wow, ya lost me there.

I was simply pointing out that the legal system can ruin a person if its politically expedient. An nobody seems to get in much of a twist about it even when its nonsense on its face.


26 posted on 06/09/2014 4:15:33 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: Altura Ct.
White woman says: “We didn’t understand how people could defend him just because he was black”

The reason is a thing called "racism".

The white women and her friends could not comprehend how blacks could be racist. I her mind racism is white people discriminating against minorities. It never occurred to her that it can work both ways.

27 posted on 06/09/2014 4:18:40 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: waxer1

The primary mistake in the prosecution was changing the jurisdiction from a criminal court on the West Side of Los Angeles (where a jury pool would have been from more affluent areas) to a Downtown court (where the jury pool was impoverished and had a higher percentage of minorities).
The choice was made by a DA who wanted his staff to be able to work closer to their offices, or in other words in a city known for its road traffic, for greater convenience.

The jury pool chosen saw it as they wanted to see it, and never deviated even when evidence to the contrary was presented. The DA lost his next election, as I recall.


28 posted on 06/09/2014 4:19:16 PM PDT by research99
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To: plain talk

The answer is several generations of indoctrination and conditioning in Identity Politics.

His wealth, success, etc didn’t matter, the only thing that mattered was OJ’s skin color. That was enough to win him support.

Much in the same way that a Black kid from Greenwich CT who’s father is a multimillionaire New York investment banker is entitled to various societal “steps up” that an impoverished white kid from Appalacia (beneficiary of “white priviledge”) is not.


29 posted on 06/09/2014 4:23:51 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Altura Ct.
This is what naive whites don't get or want to understand. When push comes to shove...race wins.

Isn't it amazing that after 5 1/2 years of the Obama/Holder racist regime there are still people who haven't figured out that most blacks (like Obama and the 96% of black voters who voted for him) are all about payback, not equality?


30 posted on 06/09/2014 4:24:02 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas' Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: waxer1

I love Mark Furman.


31 posted on 06/09/2014 4:24:02 PM PDT by angcat
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To: research99
The jury pool chosen saw it as they wanted to see it, and never deviated even when evidence to the contrary was presented. The DA lost his next election, as I recall.

If you are going to think with your skin, you're going to do stupid things.

I did not believe he killed those people until the DNA evidence started rolling in. I could not believe he would be sloppy enough to murder with his children just footsteps away--what if one of them came outside looking for Mom? Would he have murdered the kid as well?
32 posted on 06/09/2014 4:26:22 PM PDT by Nepeta
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The District Attorney, Gil Garcetti, had political ambitions of running for governor. He moved the trial downtown to suck up to the blacks. Gil Garcetti’s son Eric Garcetti is the current mayor of Los Angeles. Eric Garcetti got the black vote.


33 posted on 06/09/2014 4:27:49 PM PDT by forgotten man
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I never understood how acquitting OJ Simpson served any sort of justice for ordinary blacks.

Symbolism over substance.

It's the mother's milk of the left, and generations of black Americans have been raised on it.

34 posted on 06/09/2014 4:29:45 PM PDT by workerbee (`)
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To: Altura Ct.

I was in college when the verdict was being read, and all the black students jumped up and danced. The white students simply looked sad.


35 posted on 06/09/2014 4:30:42 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: vladimir998

He IS guilty. He would be just as GUILTY if he were white. Case closed.


Someone at the time said “this is the first time I ever saw a guilty man get framed.”

I’ve no doubt he committed the crime. Unfortunately the mishandled evidence gives credence of reasonable doubt.


36 posted on 06/09/2014 4:42:18 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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The guy regarding the Benghazi mess. I was pointing out that this man was hauled off to jail. Over some minor probation violation.


37 posted on 06/09/2014 4:50:21 PM PDT by waxer1 (A Republic if you can keep it--Benjamin Franklin. Well we lost it.)
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Yes it is and one of the jurors expressed exactly this on an interview later.
OJ was never going to be found guilty once the change of venue was granted to inner city LA.
38 posted on 06/09/2014 4:51:49 PM PDT by Varda
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During the trial, I was a manager of an area in a major corporation.
I had some 30 women working for me.
5 or 6 were black.
They were cheering and laughing when the verdict came through.
Blackness trumps all.


39 posted on 06/09/2014 4:53:48 PM PDT by Post5203 (For the first time in my life, I despise this country.)
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Yet it seems to be an issue of a different “privilege” - rich, powerful men, no matter who they are or how they got that way - simply cannot accept that ANY woman would reject them. That is just not possible. So it doesn’t matter if O.J. is black and she was white - he’s rich, famous, and desirable. She was white, gorgeous, a trophy wife. Those are the kinds of tradeoffs that have been in effect throughout history. It still comes down to the man’s ego - ANY man’s ego - I am who I am, how dare she not want me or want someone else?


40 posted on 06/09/2014 4:54:10 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: skeeter
If I'm reading this correctly, it says "many" black people wanted OJ to get away with brutally murdering a white woman. Thats a lot of hate.

"Bitch had it comin".

41 posted on 06/09/2014 4:55:15 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: Fantasywriter

Read this!

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/06/09/new-threats-and-intimidation-from-white-house-toward-soldiers-and-pentagon-officials-around-bergdahl-investigation/#more-83234


42 posted on 06/09/2014 4:56:42 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Altura Ct.

The1992 Rodney King riots and the OJ acquittal in 1994 were kind of a turning point for me.


43 posted on 06/09/2014 4:58:58 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: vladimir998
he is guilty and he got away with the murders of the century...all because a wimpy Judge allowed nonsense to go on in his courtroom and the DA picked the weakest team of prosecutors he could find....

and of course...money talks...and simpson walks....

and down to the bare bones of it all...

..the blacks wouldn't convict a fellow black especially killing a beautiful white woman with long flowing hair, because the black women hate that black men go after white women with long blonde hair.

and of course they wouldn't even contemplate what a white female prosecuting attorney would argue, because you know, they gots to protect their menfolk from the white women....

44 posted on 06/09/2014 4:59:00 PM PDT by cherry
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To: plain talk

Ain’t that the truth? All these women who rejoiced over this never stopped to think he would never have chosen any one of them. And even if he did, their fate might have been the same as his ex. Guys like this are jerks, period - they treat ALL women like crap. There’s nothing racist about it.


45 posted on 06/09/2014 5:03:52 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: Fantasywriter
do people not remember that Furman was only discovered to say that N word...(.why the hell is that stinking word so sacred?....its meaningless...) in a talk with a prospective book writer and he tried to spice up the police work he did....

saying the "n" word is not racist...its nothing more than a word....

46 posted on 06/09/2014 5:06:03 PM PDT by cherry
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To: research99
The other factor I think that is worth mentioning is simply money. It really was the "Dream Team" of criminal defense attorneys--F. Lee Bailey, Alan Dershowitz, Robert Shapiro, etc.--and O.J. was able to hire them, along with the jury consultants, focus groups and all the rest. What it showed was that you can literally buy "reasonable doubt." Why do people see race in the O.J. case? Because that's what tested well as a strategy. As soon as I heard the defense say, after jury selection, that they gotten the exact jury they wanted, I knew how it was going to come out.

You can also see it in the Robert Blake case--that guy was guilty as hell, but got off. And I'm sure that if Phil Spector hadn't had a long history of crazily pointing guns at women, he'd have gotten off, too. Hell, he got a hung jury in his first trial.

47 posted on 06/09/2014 5:09:08 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: Altura Ct.
I recall stories in the paper focusing on white anger over the verdict. A Black NYC doorman among other Blacks telling the same sort of story told of formerly friendly white women being frosty toward him and “refusing even too look” at him.

The part of my brain that is in charge of self preservation noted that Black tolerance of me was shallow and an act and Black hatred ran deep and that this was true to 80 some-odd percent of the demographic.

48 posted on 06/09/2014 5:09:26 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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“..the blacks wouldn’t convict a fellow black especially killing a beautiful white woman with long flowing hair, because the black women hate that black men go after white women with long blonde hair.”

BINGO!


49 posted on 06/09/2014 5:09:35 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Altura Ct.

I thought he did it but I also thought the prosecution didn’t come anywhere close to proving it and I did not understand the rush to trial.


50 posted on 06/09/2014 5:10:27 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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