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Triple Crown Whiner 'Ashamed' of Tantrum over Belmont Loss
Breitbart News ^ | June 9, 2014 | Elizabeth Sheld

Posted on 06/09/2014 9:27:22 PM PDT by This Just In

This morning on ABC News , Steve Coburn apologized for his sore loser remarks following the loss of California Chrome at the Belmont Stakes.

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He also said he wanted Chrome to win "for America."

I guess his juvenile, poor-sport and belligerent comments were understandable. After all, he really wanted his horse to win "for America" (nevermind the take-home purse and subsequent stud fees).

1 posted on 06/09/2014 9:27:22 PM PDT by This Just In
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That is a really cynical comment.

This was a great underdog story - something traditionally loved by Americans. And, they’ll still get great stud fees and have made a ton of money despite not winning the Belmont. It would have been a great story to win all three - who can’t understand that???


2 posted on 06/09/2014 9:38:26 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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win for America?

oh puh-leeze


3 posted on 06/09/2014 9:42:39 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Aria

Aria, I’ll explain. Mr. Coburn made these statements after his race horse lost:

“If your horse doesn’t even have the points to run in the Kentucky Derby, he shouldn’t be able to run in the Triple Crown. They’re ((bleep)) cheaters.” (I censored his statement due to offensive language)

“This is the coward’s way out,”

“Our horse had a target on his back.”

You’re welcome to read more at the link. Mr. Coburn is now apologizing. It’s not a cynical comment at all, really. I can only judge Mr. Coburns intent by his words, and using his own words. I fail to see the sincerity.


4 posted on 06/09/2014 9:47:23 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

Nonsense. He was upset over the shock of losing, he spouted off, and now he’s apologizing for being an idiot.

You have no grounds to reject his sincerity. You point to nothing except that he made the mistake he’s admitting to and apologizing for. If anything, what cannot be forgiven is YOUR baseless condemnation.


5 posted on 06/09/2014 9:50:19 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Aria

Aria, not only did Mr. Coburn take the Lord’s name in vain, but he accused his opponent of cheating and being a coward. If you fail to see the dishonor and offensiveness of Mr. Coburns behavior, I have nothing further to say.


6 posted on 06/09/2014 9:51:28 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: Aria
And, they’ll still get great stud fees

This market is actually shrinking. The total American Thoroughbred foal crop grows smaller every year, and stud fees, except for a handful of the best, proven stallions (most stallions are failures) have been reduced.

California Chrome's pedigree is not as obscure or weak as the blatherers on tv might have you believe, but while the sires of the dams are good, the individual female-line ancestors in the first 3 generations is not strong. California Chrome himself is a first foal, and so the quality of his sibs/half-sibs is unknowable.

It would have been a great story to win all three - who can’t understand that???

Anybody who spends any time as an owner learns quickly that most of the time YOU WILL LOSE. The people who play this game at the top know this, and most of them have the class not to throw a fit if all their dreams do not come true. What Coburn should have done is congratulate the winner, and run like blazes to the barn to see if his horse was hurt.

Coburn is also crowing that his horse is the best in the world, all while planning on keeping him in California. You prove your horse by taking him out into the world and running the best races anywhere, not sitting home and running your mouth.
7 posted on 06/09/2014 9:51:42 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: This Just In

High stakes easily fertilize sour grapes. I totally understand the reaction of anyone placed into that position, whether repentant or not.


8 posted on 06/09/2014 9:51:45 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Talisker

“...YOUR baseless condemnation.”

Would you mind proving the “condemnation”?


9 posted on 06/09/2014 9:53:03 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Perhaps you can provide us with some anecdotes of other owners showing the same type of behavior? After all, race horses spend most of their careers losing. There must be a plethora of examples.


10 posted on 06/09/2014 9:56:59 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

Nobody cares


11 posted on 06/09/2014 10:06:32 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: Nepeta

i’ve had a lot of hunters and jumpers - a very non-lucrative sport. I do agree that he should have kept his mouth shut but alas...he did not. But I can totally understand being passionate about your horse and your chances even when, as in our case, not being in it for any profit.

it would have been an incredible story if CC had won. I even cried when I read Seabiscuit and that was knowing how it turned out.


12 posted on 06/09/2014 10:07:07 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: This Just In

How is it a ‘triple’ crown if a horse runs in only one of the races?

Your comment is idiotic.


13 posted on 06/09/2014 10:08:53 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: GeronL

Well we know Americans aren’t running anything right now— see the influx of ‘children’ Obama is pushing into the country right now.


14 posted on 06/09/2014 10:09:47 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

Apparently you cared enough to click on this thread and click on “reply”, and type:

“Nobody cares”

I assure you, there are people who care.


15 posted on 06/09/2014 10:10:59 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

How can a horse run in only one race and still be a ‘triple’ crown contender? I am curious to know how that works.


16 posted on 06/09/2014 10:11:26 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

You don’t understand the history and rules involving horse racing and the Triple Crown and you’re calling me an idiot? That’s comical.


17 posted on 06/09/2014 10:13:00 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

Triple, three races. Tonalist only ran in one. How is he qualified for the ‘triple’ crown?


18 posted on 06/09/2014 10:18:06 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: This Just In

Of course you didn’t answer the question.

Who do you work for? You sound like a corporatist globalist.


19 posted on 06/09/2014 10:18:57 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: This Just In

A lot of name calling, I am reminded of Alinsky by your post.

The racing ‘elite’ just couldn’t stand that some lowly Americans using logic and scientific method could breed such a fine horse.

I heard the commentators mocking the owners, a la Alinsky, in the run up to the Preakness. Apparently you’re with them.


20 posted on 06/09/2014 10:22:24 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Go off and think about what ‘triple’ means. I’m sure your handlers will come up with an ‘appropriate’ response sometime tomorrow.


21 posted on 06/09/2014 10:23:53 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Aria

White Americans are the new terrorists. You can’t let their horse win.


22 posted on 06/09/2014 10:25:03 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: This Just In
He see’s poor book sales.I like his wife's reaction.Watched it live.
23 posted on 06/09/2014 10:25:37 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: hedgetrimmer

“You sound like a corporatist globalist.”

And you sound like someone who needs his diaper changed, a bottle, and a nap.

I’m not here to educate you. After all, you’re the genius name-caller who stated that my comment was idiotic without understanding the history behind horse racing and the Triple Crown.

“Triple, three races. Tonalist only ran in one. How is he qualified for the ‘triple’ crown?”

DON’T do the math.

Dude, you should’ve been a comedian...because you’re crackin’ me up.


24 posted on 06/09/2014 10:25:46 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

You didn’t get your comment vetted.

What don’t you get about the word ‘triple’?


25 posted on 06/09/2014 10:27:53 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

hedgetrimmer said:

“A lot of name calling, I am reminded of Alinsky by your post.

The racing ‘elite’ just couldn’t stand that some lowly Americans using logic and scientific method could breed such a fine horse.

I heard the commentators mocking the owners, a la Alinsky, in the run up to the Preakness. Apparently you’re with them.”

“Go off and think about what ‘triple’ means. I’m sure your handlers will come up with an ‘appropriate’ response sometime tomorrow.”

hedgetrimmer, I sure hope I’m not the only one enjoying your accusations. Thanks for the laughs. Honestly, your remarks are entertaining. You even dropped the “Alinsky” brand.

Mr. Coburn, is that you?


26 posted on 06/09/2014 10:30:54 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: fatima

You saw the horse running against other horses who had no stake in the game.

You saw owners who deliberately bypassed the Preakness so their horses would be ‘rested’ for the Belmont.

How is that a ‘triple’ crown competition? How many horses in that race were actually in the previous two races? How can a race be a ‘triple’ if the horses running in it, didn’t run in the previous two?


27 posted on 06/09/2014 10:31:36 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: This Just In

Your style is symptomatic.

Its you, not me.


28 posted on 06/09/2014 10:32:36 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: This Just In

Still waiting for your handler’s feedback?


29 posted on 06/09/2014 10:33:29 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Triple, three races. Tonalist only ran in one. How is he qualified for the ‘triple’ crown?

He's a 3 y o Thoroughbred with registration papers recognized by the Jockey Club, and he paid all the required entry fees.

There are Triple Crown series in every country with racing and in NONE of them is it a requirement that the same group of horses compete in all of them. Steve Coburn doesn't know what he is talking about.

40 years ago, when there were still breeders who were in the game over decades of time, some of them bred horses specifically for the Belmont Stakes--they did not consider the Kentucky Derby their primary target.

Actually, from a breeding standpoint, California Chrome only missed winning by 1 3/4 lengths. That is meaningless in genetic terms--if he had failed by finishing up the track, eased, that would have been a failure to handle the distance. Missing by 1 3/4 lengths is not a disgrace.
30 posted on 06/09/2014 10:34:56 PM PDT by Nepeta
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Would you mind proving the “condemnation”?

I already did.

Prove I didn't.

31 posted on 06/09/2014 10:37:44 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Doubting sincerity doesn’t equal condemnation.


32 posted on 06/09/2014 10:39:47 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: hedgetrimmer

This owner had the opportunity for weeks of becoming the owner of horse winning the triple crown. He was probably a physical, emotional and spiritual wreck for every minute after his horse won the first leg, and doubly so after the second. And at the height of his exhaustion, two minutes plus after the the most exciting race of his life, his hopes were dashed on the rocks of reality.

I’ve watched and dealt with people that were not at their best and sometimes it is not pretty. But for the most part, it is human. He asked for forgiveness, in what ever way he did. I don’t have any real contact with him, and probably will never hear of him again. It is a fallacy of our relationship with the media to be able to judge on the worst snippet of his life. Just laugh a little and think of the poor guy on google maps in CA whose claim to fame was being an internet sensation for have the bad luck to be picking his nose at the bus stop when google maps snapped his pic and it went viral.

He may have better days to be judged by, and I would hope to be judged by my better days than my worst.

DK

Except when I was lucky enough to catch Right Wing Professor saying the most incredibly stupid thing as a scientist that he possibly say, while arguing for the “Theory of Evolution”. I will forever remember that he claimed Epistemology was unimportant to evaluation of the theory, and it still brings a tear to my eye. LOL


33 posted on 06/09/2014 10:41:30 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Nepeta

I think Coburn is wll aware of how the races are independent. He’s also aware that there are owners that were gunning for him, and hid behind the independence of the races. And then after he blasted out his frustration and anger, he realized that there was no way to get that subtlety across, or prove it happened to him.

I think it did happen, and I can empathize with his being upset. But at the same time, that’s life - the bastards are always up to something, that’s why their called bastards. And as for the masses - win, and they always knew you could do it. Lose, and they hate you simply because that’s what they like to do the most.

He had the class to calm down and apologize, and I respect him for that. I don’t think he’s crazy or misguided. I think he got ganged up on, and that’s part of horseracing. He still did great with California Chrome, no matter what anyone else says.


34 posted on 06/09/2014 10:44:25 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Dark Knight

He definitely isn’t part of the globalist elite.


35 posted on 06/09/2014 10:44:38 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Doubting sincerity doesn’t equal condemnation.

Sure it does - in fact, that's exactly what it does.

To claim it doesn't is insincere, and I condemn you for it.

36 posted on 06/09/2014 10:46:04 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Too bad he apologized. The corporatist controllers would never let him race one of his horses again, if he didnt’ kowtow.


37 posted on 06/09/2014 10:46:17 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Are you Steve?Watched it with my husband and 12 year old twin grandchildren down the shore.Knock off the You saw .I do know the grandchildren were making fun of the owner for complaining best part was him turning around to his wife.apologized on Good Morning American.Cad to his wife who had best reaction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0E5oQvJoV4


38 posted on 06/09/2014 10:47:28 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima

Your grandchildren sound like they were poorly raised, without manners.


39 posted on 06/09/2014 10:49:16 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Aria
i’ve had a lot of hunters and jumpers - a very non-lucrative sport. I do agree that he should have kept his mouth shut but alas...he did not. But I can totally understand being passionate about your horse and your chances even when, as in our case, not being in it for any profit.

it would have been an incredible story if CC had won. I even cried when I read Seabiscuit and that was knowing how it turned out.


Most owners in racing/breeding lose money. There is a hot global market for a few hundred yearlings/2 y os in training each year for individuals with flawless conformation, pedigrees full of names that ring, and x-ray data that looks good. The rest of the market is lousy, and has been for a long time.

Seabiscuit had a good life. He had his own bomb shelter during WW2. He was a complete, utter failure as a sire. I never find him in modern pedigrees.
40 posted on 06/09/2014 10:51:00 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: Talisker

You fail to understand the word in this context.

Doubting someones sincerity simply means you question the motivation behind the words. To condemn someone is to state a declaration.

Now, your comment, on the other hand, is a declaration.

Pot, meet kettle.


41 posted on 06/09/2014 10:51:58 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: hedgetrimmer

I didn’t watch the race, so I am just repeating what I heard. There may have been a non horse strategic error of going to the rail too soon and not being free enough at the correct point in the race to win. But in any case, winning the triple crown is a combination of skill, talent and luck. The right combos of those three will win any race, but Secretariat won by what 23 lengths...

Oh, and it takes money.

DK


42 posted on 06/09/2014 10:54:21 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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Perhaps you can provide us with some anecdotes of other owners showing the same type of behavior? After all, race horses spend most of their careers losing. There must be a plethora of examples.

People who compete at this level have usually paid their dues and know how difficult just having a horse worth running in this races is. I cannot think of another example anything like Coburn's blathering, and I have followed this game for more than 50 years.
43 posted on 06/09/2014 10:55:26 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: This Just In

Sure, all that. But it’s entirely understandable, and even true, from some point of view. I think the objective take is that the Triple Crown has become impossible because of the mile and a half distance of the Belmont and the specialization that no longer allows a horse to be dominant across the board, as it were. Say no more, say no more.


45 posted on 06/09/2014 10:56:40 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Nepeta

Frankly, I can’t think of one example either, and I haven’t watched the sport for as long as you’ve enjoyed it, but I’ve seen a few.

I would like to mention that I appreciate your comments. Always informative and edifying. Thank you for taking the time to provide us with a lot of valuable insight.

TJI


46 posted on 06/09/2014 10:59:12 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: fatima

You see! You see! Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!


47 posted on 06/09/2014 11:01:31 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

What is smart Dr-lew?


48 posted on 06/09/2014 11:04:01 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: dr_lew

Perhaps, but this doesn’t excuse the fact the owners knew all of this beforehand. It isn’t news to anyone in the horse-racing world.


49 posted on 06/09/2014 11:04:08 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: Dark Knight
I didn’t watch the race, so I am just repeating what I heard. There may have been a non horse strategic error of going to the rail too soon and not being free enough at the correct point in the race to win. But in any case, winning the triple crown is a combination of skill, talent and luck. The right combos of those three will win any race, but Secretariat won by what 23 lengths...

Oh, and it takes money.


Personal beliefs on why California Chrome did not win:

The early pace was creepy-crawly slow. Commissioner went to the lead, and he is NOT a speed horse. At that point, CC should have been sent to at least run with that slow pace...if the pace is slow, and you are in front, everyone behind you will have a very hard time catching you. Commissioner missed winning by only a head.

California Chrome has not run a good race tucked in on the rail surrounded by horses. Other than this, he is remarkably free of mental bugaboos.

Early in the race, perhaps at the start, a chunk of the back of one foot was torn away. He probably ran through the pain because of adrenaline, but maybe not.

He was still only 1 3/4 lengths back at the finish. This is a very good horse.
50 posted on 06/09/2014 11:04:27 PM PDT by Nepeta
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