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Parris Island Sgt. Major steps down following altercation with former Marine, protester
WTOC-TV ^ | June 9, 2014 | Vanessa Nguyen

Posted on 06/10/2014 12:25:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

PARRIS ISLAND (WTOC) - The highest ranking enlisted Marine at Parris Island has stepped down from his position following last week's alleged assault with a former Marine.

Parris Island released the following statement early Monday afternoon:

Understanding the Marine Corps has very high standards of personal and professional conduct for its most senior leaders, Sgt. Maj. Archie voluntarily stepped down as the depot sergeant major, and the commanding general regrettably accepted his retirement.

People all over the country have reacted to this viral video between protester and former Marine Ethan Arguello and Depot Sgt. Maj. Paul Archie.

The altercation began because Aguello was wearing his drill instructor hat, known as a campaign cover, while protesting President Obama's decision to release five Taliban detainees for U.S. Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

The video quickly went viral through Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.

Comments included "Ethan Arguello was OUT OF LINE for wearing the Eagle, Globe and Anchor!" as well as "This Sgt. Maj. should be demoted to private!"

A YouTube video was made by a Marine Staff Sgt. Ryan Gaines.

"Personally, I disagree with what the Marine did, I think it was in bad taste, I think in a way it brought discredit to the Marine Corps. Now with that being said, he was well within his f***** rights to do that. That's what I call bad leadership, that's what I call not setting the example, that's what I call lack of bearing, lack of wisdom and just lack of f****** professionalism," Gaines said in the video.

Many TV stations and online publications, like Business Insider and the Marine Corps Times, have also picked up the story.

Three days after the incident, Parris Island issued this statement:

"We hold all Marines to a very high standard of personal and professional conduct. For that reason, we remain very concerned over the charges against the Depot Sgt. Major and are cooperating fully with the town of Port Royal in their investigation."

Arguello continues to protest every morning along U.S. 278 in Bluffton. He said he has no regrets about what happened.


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It wasn't about the hat.
1 posted on 06/10/2014 12:25:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t approve of what the Sgt. Major did, but I don’t think he should be forced to step down. We all screw up once in a while. Give the guy some form of reprimand or punishment, time off without pay, and let him keep his job.

This penchant in this day and age for people to lose their income due to a mistake, is way overkill in too many instances.


2 posted on 06/10/2014 12:40:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

They retired him. He now has another income.


3 posted on 06/10/2014 12:42:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I doubt it’s the same income.

Granted he’s an Obama supporting POS too.


4 posted on 06/10/2014 12:45:06 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You may be correct. That be as it may, the Sergeant Major should get his stuff together before jumping on a Marine who is no longer on active duty. Why you ask? Because the Sergeant Major wasn’t wearing his hat outside when he jumped on the protestor for wearing his drill sergeant’s hat. The Sergeant Major was out of uniform. If he is an Obama supporter, now that he is retired he can join any pro-Obama parade he desires. His right as a private citizen. If he had kept this in perspective, he would still be on active duty.


5 posted on 06/10/2014 12:48:48 AM PDT by goodn'mad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I support this demonstrator pictured, and his cause, the Sergeant Major is an idiot who strangely flew into a rage over this demonstrator, something that we can assume has only happened once in all of his years of seeing protests and demonstrators including under Reagan, and George W, and now Obama.

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6 posted on 06/10/2014 12:51:25 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only a marine of negroid race could possibly support the traitor in chief

That said just punish him...don’t relieve him from the Corps

Look at the times Hussein addresses the troops ...only blacks and homosexuals and a few silly chunky white girls in audience give a rats ass he’s there


7 posted on 06/10/2014 1:05:25 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: wardaddy

They couldn’t keep him in that high office, and he already had 26 years in, and they didn’t want to bust him or charge him beyond his civilian charges, so the best thing was to ask him to take retirement, and let everyone walk away.


8 posted on 06/10/2014 1:09:05 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thug behavior by the Sgt. Major. I guess it’s acceptable when the President an the Attorney General are “Brothers.”


9 posted on 06/10/2014 1:14:57 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Thug behavior by the Sgt. Major.

Saying it like that really brings home why they could not allow him to remain as a Sergeant Major of the United States Marine Corps.

10 posted on 06/10/2014 1:23:23 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From The Usurper’s point of view it really doesn’t matter whether the Marine Protestor or the Sergeant Major was right in this situation.

He succeeded in getting two of our nation’s finest warriors at each other’s throats and sewing that kind of dissension is exactly what it’s all about.

I daresay that were it not for The Nameless One in office that fine young DI would still be “under cover” training Marines and the Sergeant Major would be thinking about more worthwhile things than protecting the sorry ass of the C(oward)-In-Chief.


11 posted on 06/10/2014 1:37:34 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

“Mission Accomplished.”


12 posted on 06/10/2014 1:41:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I see the brain wash and purge is not complete YET!..

Used to have blanket parties for bad guys.. BUT
It’s Only time for Groin packing partys for the good guys..

Women on submarines.. Pulleeese..
Some cannot handle the truth..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA


13 posted on 06/10/2014 1:46:26 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; DoughtyOne
All I could see in the article was that the Sgt Major resigned from his Billet as the Sgt Major of the Parris Island Recruit Depot. I saw no mention of his leaving the Corps.

"...Sgt. Maj. Archie voluntarily stepped down as the depot sergeant major,..."

14 posted on 06/10/2014 1:57:10 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: BwanaNdege
"Sgt. Maj. Archie voluntarily stepped down as the depot sergeant major, and the commanding general regrettably accepted his retirement."

See it now? He's now in the Fleet Reserve.

15 posted on 06/10/2014 2:01:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Sgt Major stopped his vehicle to confront a protester.Didn’t see assault, did see theft. Bye bye obama boy.


16 posted on 06/10/2014 2:21:25 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? ?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tribal roots triumphs everything!


17 posted on 06/10/2014 2:56:35 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Eagles6

http://www.wikihow.com/Know-Military-Uniform-Laws


18 posted on 06/10/2014 3:24:08 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The concept of not wearing the uniform or any part of the uniform while protesting is completely ignored by the left as this photo shows which I took at the Gathering of Eagles back in 2007:

You can see the scum this "former" Marine Corporal is standing with, including the Che Guevara worshiping sign in the background. The utter contempt we felt for this POS was tempered by the fact that it was his right to do what he did, and we couldn't stop him.

We met these Marines who were just back from Iraq (and as I recall, were visiting the grave of a buddy they had lost in Fallujah) and these were men I chose to side with:

They happened to walk by and saw the DC Chapter of FR standing at the big rotary at the end of the Arlington Memorial Bridge, and they walked over and asked if they could stand with us. Trooprally had extra signs, so we welcomed them, gave them signs, and had a great time with those young men. God, they looked like kids to me.

We had an argument with some liberal POS who was carrying a copy of his DD214, saying his opinion was as valid as the Marines with us, talking about how President Bush abused the men serving in Iraq by not equipping them correctly, while the other Che Guevara sign carrying libs taunted us, and one young Marine lunged at him, enraged as his buddies held him back.

They were all pretty hot at seeing these anti-American leftists and having to listen to them. You can clearly see what his buddy is saying to the liberal POS as he holds the other guy back.

One more thing: this protester in the linked article is emphatically not a "former" Marine. He is a Marine, and a damn good one to be where he was holding the sign. Lee Harvey Oswald is a "former" Marine.

19 posted on 06/10/2014 3:25:53 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: BlueMoose

?


20 posted on 06/10/2014 3:29:10 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? ?)
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To: Eagles6

Wear distinctive parts of a uniform only while the full uniform is being worn. For example, the green beret would be considered a distinctive part of a uniform and should not be worn unless the full uniform is being worn.


21 posted on 06/10/2014 3:56:17 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

Wear only 1 of your uniforms when you are honorably discharged. All other uniforms and uniform parts remain the property of the armed forces. You may wear 1 uniform for the purpose of getting home. You must discontinue wearing the uniform after 3 months have passed from the date of your discharge.

BTW the punishment can be a fine or 6 month. The Marine Campaign Cover can only be worn by Drill instructors on active duty and then only with complete uniform.


22 posted on 06/10/2014 4:06:18 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

Are you talking about the Sgt Major or the former Marine protester?


23 posted on 06/10/2014 4:07:17 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? ?)
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To: BlueMoose

7003. CAMPAIGN (SERVICE) HAT
1. The campaign hat may be worn with the duty uniform by Marines listed below, and is not authorized for leave, liberty, or in formation with troops, except as required for drill instructors. It will not be worn with the Blue Dress “A”/”B” uniforms. Service cap branch of service insignia will be worn in the center front ventilation eyelet. Hats, brims, chinstraps, and hat cords will be kept in a neat and serviceable condition. No deviation from the original shape and design of the hat is authorized.

a. Enlisted Marines. The hat is felt, Montana peak-type, with a 5-1/4-inch deep crown, 3-inch wide stiff brim, evenly formed, and thoroughly pressed. The hat is trimmed with a grosgrain ribbon and bow, has four round eyelets in the crown for ventilation and two oblong eyelets for leather chinstrap which is fitted with leather sliding keepers and a tongue-type center bar buckle.

b. Officers. To be identical to the enlisted hat except that the chinstrap is three-piece leather with a snap hook and fastener at two ends, and an adjustable tongue-type center bar buckle on the center piece. Officers will wear a scarlet and gold hat cord consisting of two rows of scarlet and gold cord held together by a sliding keeper, covered with scarlet and gold material of the same design as the cord. Each end of the cord projecting beyond the sliding keeper is finished with an acorn.

2. The hat is authorized for wear by the following personnel only:

a. At Recruit Depots/recruit rifle ranges when approved by the Commanding Generals.

(1) Assigned male and female drill instructors

(2) Sergeants major, recruit training regiments

(3) Recruit company first sergeants

(4) Primary marksmanship instructors conducting recruit marksmanship training

(5) Chief marksmanship instructors

(6) Line NCO’s and coaches

(7) Range officers (MOS 9925)

b. Drill instructors at Naval Aviation Officer Candidate School

c. Range officers (MOS 9925) at Marine Corps Combat Development Command, Quantico.

d. Members of the USMC rifle and pistol teams (Regular/Reserve) funded by HQMC.


24 posted on 06/10/2014 4:07:31 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Eagles6

This protester was a distinctive part of the Marine Corps Uniform.

The hat can only be worn with the complete uniform. If this person is not on active duty it’s a Federal Offence and can result in 6 mo. in federal prison.

When I was Stationed at The Pentagon a discharge officer worn his uniform to a party and it cost him $500.00.

His bad luck was that a JAG officer that new him and know he was discharged was at the same party.

Now there is filmed evidence of this crime because the SGT/MAJ was able to get it on film. The Recruit Depot should have all ready filed a complaint.


25 posted on 06/10/2014 4:25:05 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
Now there is filmed evidence of this crime because the SGT/MAJ was able to get it on film. The Recruit Depot should have all ready filed a complaint.

So let them file one. That doesn't justify the Sgt. Major or anyone else taking the law into their own hands unless they are willing to suffer the consequences.

26 posted on 06/10/2014 4:37:41 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: BlueMoose
So the former Marine cannot wear a part of his former uniform while protesting but homo service members can march in homo parades in theirs.

The SCOTUS ruled that wearing a uniform and awards that you are not entitled to, whether civilian or former military is allowed.

Maybe the protester committed a crime but the Sgt Major and soetoro did far worse.

Local Army surplus store sells fatigues, caps, boonie hats. Are these legal to wear?

27 posted on 06/10/2014 4:38:20 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? ?)
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To: ansel12
...who strangely flew into a rage...

Not a bit strange. Just fail to pay homage to Obama in front of a black person and see what happens.

It's 'cuz all us Cracka's is racist.

28 posted on 06/10/2014 4:42:58 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Mission Accomplished.”

He’ll get Chuck Hagel’s job in a couple of weeks...


29 posted on 06/10/2014 4:48:41 AM PDT by outofsalt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

how is grabbing a hat an “assault”? from the verbiage I thought he pummeled the guy


30 posted on 06/10/2014 4:53:25 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ansel12

Ii support this protester too, he has every right


31 posted on 06/10/2014 4:54:05 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This Marine was protesting a much bigger action than the wearing of a Smokie Bear. The Sgt. Major should have been shaking his hand. I’m not even sure the military could successfully prosecute a civilian for wearing a campaign hat!!!


32 posted on 06/10/2014 5:03:24 AM PDT by ontap
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To: yldstrk

I agree....but stealing a hat is another story!!


33 posted on 06/10/2014 5:04:09 AM PDT by ontap
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You got that right. The SGTMAJ stepped on his tool bigtime and showed a distinct lack of bearing and professionalism. An affirmative action hire and nothing more.He will be hired by acorn within the week.


34 posted on 06/10/2014 5:24:55 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“This penchant in this day and age for people to lose their income due to a mistake, is way overkill in too many instances.”.....

Would you say the same thing about Odumbo, Holder and the rest of the ilk in the administration? They certainly “qualify”.


35 posted on 06/10/2014 6:13:09 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: DoughtyOne

“This penchant in this day and age for people to lose their income due to a mistake, is way overkill in too many instances.”.....

Would you say the same thing about Odumbo, Holder and the rest of the ilk in the administration? They certainly “qualify”.


36 posted on 06/10/2014 6:13:10 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: ansel12

“......the best thing was to ask him to take retirement, and let everyone walk away.”...

This happens more often than anyone can imagine and not only in the Marine Corps.


37 posted on 06/10/2014 6:16:10 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: rlmorel
One more thing: this protester in the linked article is emphatically not a "former" Marine. He is a Marine, and a damn good one to be where he was holding the sign. Lee Harvey Oswald is a "former" Marine.

Thank you for making that point. For the uninitiated and/or lazy out there, let me detail the various status that Marines can hold according to the gospel of me:

Active Duty Marine - Marine on active duty.

Marine Reservist - Marine in reserve status who can be called up to active duty.

Retired Marine - Marine who either spent 20+ years of active duty service time, of was medically retired.

Marine Veteran - Marine who successfully fulfilled his contract and was discharge without prejudice. Individual Ready Reserve Marines fall into this category, even though they can still be called to active duty if need be. IRR is sort of a grey area, up until the point the Marine Corps wants you back.

and finally

"Former" Marine - an individual who was discharge, with prejudice, from the Marine Corps for whatever reason.

It is acceptable to call anyone in the first 4 categories a "Marine". They earned the title through their actions and behavior. There is some debate as to whether Retired and Veteran Marines can have their current status revoked and be placed in to the Former category. There is no official panel to address the issue, so it is more a personal judgment call, rather than anything official. Also, an individual can be a POS while being in any of these categories. It's a personal choice, rather than something that is dictated by your status. The "former" Marine category does have a higher percentage of them than the others, though.

38 posted on 06/10/2014 6:28:07 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sir, I must disagree: “It wasn’t about the hat”! It was all about the hat!

http://www.mcrdpi.marines.mil/Leaders/LeadersView/tabid/18265/Article/159072/sergeant-major-paul-t-archie.aspx

Check out this man’s biography! I know this man by reputation and personally meeting him. This guy is consumed with a “Drill Instructor” image that is beyond belief. His every word is spoken in the phony dialect and voice of a Drill Instructor.

Note that he was a Admin Clerk! I’ve met hundreds of these guys who view their life through the prism of Parris Island. But this guy is in a “League of this Own” when it comes to glorification of the Drill Instructor image.

Had this SgtMaj encountered this protestor, without the campaign cover, he would have not gotten out of his car or commented. In Fact; I’d bet he could not even tell you any specifics about the issue this American Citizen was protesting.


39 posted on 06/10/2014 7:04:02 AM PDT by Gunner TLW
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To: Eagles6

Assault only requires a belief by the person being assualted that they may be harmed. A swung fist without contact is an assault. An approach within range during a tirade can be an assault.

There may not have been consummation of the assault. Assault consummated by a battery means contact was made. Legal terms of art. Most people assume only battery is an assault, but assaults don’t require battery.


40 posted on 06/10/2014 7:11:42 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: Gunner TLW

Thanks for the link.

It seems that the Marines and the U.S. have lost a valuable and honorable asset. It needs to be noted that he wasn’t “fired” he resigned and retired. Because of, to me, a misguided sense of honor. He seems to believe that he violated the Marine code of honor. Maybe he did.

Sad. I’ll bet he is regretting his decision. It looks like to me his entire life was being a Marine.

I guess that’s one of the differences in being a Marine and being in one of the other Services.


41 posted on 06/10/2014 7:24:30 AM PDT by saleman
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To: saleman

Sir, he is an honorable and fine man! Please understand that he certainly Did Not simply choose to retire. His choices were retire or face, at the very minimum, Non-Judicial Punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

No E-9, Senior Staff Non-Commissioned Officer would escape punishment having been arrested by local authorities. This man serves as the Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Commanding General. His example is intolerable. I believe that he will still face some form of action under the UCMJ.

Recruit Depots are showcases for the Corps; none being more than Parris Island. No CG could allow this action to go unpunished since it would send a message to the Command that his actions are tolerable. That would be a very dangerous message to send Drill Instructors. Any form of infraction is vigorously prosecuted at Parris Island IOT convey a strong message of intolerance; highly necessary when training recruits.


42 posted on 06/10/2014 7:42:03 AM PDT by Gunner TLW
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To: BlueMoose

Incorrect. The law and individual service codes allow for the uniform to be worn by all honorably and general discharged veterans on certain occasions such as funerals. All retirees may continue to wear. Officers retain all uniforms as they are their personal property.

Retired military members and certain honorably discharged veterans may wear the US Military uniform on certain occasions. This authority is authorized by Federal law (10 USC, 772). It allows certain veterans and retirees to wear the US Military uniform, as prescribed by the individual services.

In all cases, veterans and retirees can wear the rank and insignia currently in use, or the rank and insignia in use at the time of their discharge/retirement, but cannot mix the two.

The Navy Uniform Regulations prescribe the wear of the Navy uniform by Navy retirees and veterans.

Army Regulation 670-1 prescribes uniform wear by Army veterans and retirees.

The Marine Corps Uniform Regulation, MCO P1020.34G prescribes wear of the Marine Corps uniform by retirees and veterans.

In addition a veteran may be eligible to retain their title: 10 U.S.C. Sec. 772: When wearing by persons not on active duty authorized.

(e) A person not on active duty who served honorably in time of war in the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps may bear the title, and, when authorized by regulations prescribed by the President, wear the uniform, of the highest grade held by him during that war.

You can call me Lieutenant, USN ;) (I had to dig all this up for a funeral a few years back.)


43 posted on 06/10/2014 7:42:56 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: ontap
I’m not even sure the military could successfully prosecute a civilian for wearing a campaign hat!!!

The hat of Boy Scouts, Park Rangers, cops, Army Drill Sergeants, highway patrol, that are sold in every surplus clothing store where we buy our military clothing.

All vets including ex-marines wear bits and pieces of their old clothing.

Here is radio personality "Shotgun Tom Kelly" and his trademark Campaign hat that he wore earning his reputation not far from Camp Pendleton (where he probably did shows) and outside of the Navy and Marine base in San Diego where he also probably did shows.

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44 posted on 06/10/2014 7:45:23 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Turbo Pig

Exactly. I view Murtha as a “former Marine”.

Whenever I see the Marines in reserve status, and they think they are out for good, I think of those Marines who had fought on the Pacific in WWII in hellish places like Peleliu and Iwo Jima and thought (logically) that they had fulfilled their duty, only to be called back again when the Korean War broke out.

I can’t imagine what it must have been like to fight at both Peleliu and Chosin in the same lifetime...

Anyway, good post!


45 posted on 06/10/2014 9:09:52 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Gunner TLW

I don’t know this man, but I draw my negative conclusions from the fact he aggressively confronted the man holding up that sign with the message it expressed.

That said, I can concede that some people can be caught up enough at any time in the small things, and they fail to see the bigger picture.

Could have been the case here.


46 posted on 06/10/2014 9:21:11 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: reed13k

I’m sorry I must disagree.

(a) Members of the Armed Forces (including retired members and members of reserve components). The wearing of the uniform is prohibited under any of the following circumstances:
(3) Except when authorized by competent Service authority, when participating in activities such as public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies or any public demonstrations (including those pertaining to civil rights), which may imply Service Sanction of the cause for which the demonstration or activity is conducted

b) Former members of the Armed Forces.

(1) Unless qualified under another provision of this part or under the provisions of 10 U.S.C. 772, former members who served honorably during a declared or undeclared war and whose most recent service was terminated under honorable conditions may wear the uniform in the highest grade held during such war service only upon the following occasions and in the course of travel incidents thereto:

(i) Military funerals, memorial services, weddings, and inaugurals.

(ii) Parades on national or State holidays; or other parades or ceremonies of a patriotic character in which any active or reserve U.S. military unit is taking part.

(2) Wearing of the uniform or any part thereof at any other time or for any other purpose is prohibited.


47 posted on 06/10/2014 9:30:09 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: rlmorel

Sir, note that in the video, he did not mention the sign nor any particulars regarding the issues this man was protesting. His first comment was to clarify that he had discussed this issue, of the citizen wearing the campaign cover, previously and that he had told him not to wear it.

This was ONLY about a man consumed with an image of what He deems most important to the USMC. Only because that is what He values most; the entire Drill Instructor persona.

No one wears that article of uniform anywhere but on a Recruit Depot, Officer Candidate Instructor and at a Rifle Range. Therefore, many Drill Instructors start to believe its soooo important.

Funny, in 34 years and multiple combat tours, I never heard anyone, other than a Drill Instructor, discuss the importance or sanctity of the Campaign Cover. But just head down to Parris Island and you would think it’s the most valuable heirloom of the Corps.

It’s good that we place value on things like customs and tradition: But it’s better that we place value on the Constitution and our Bill of Rights.


48 posted on 06/10/2014 10:00:43 AM PDT by Gunner TLW
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To: BlueMoose

“Except when authorized by comopetent service authority” The reading of the individual service regs allow it.

The Army regulation for veterans reads as follows:
Army Veterans. Instructions are listed in paragraph 30-4 of Army Regulation 670-1.

Former members of the Army may wear the uniform if they served honorably during a declared or undeclared war, and if their most recent service was terminated under honorable conditions (that means an honorable or general discharge). Personnel who qualify under these conditions will wear the Army uniform in the highest grade they held during such war service.

The uniform is authorized for wear only for the following ceremonial occasions, and when traveling to and from the ceremony or function. Uniforms for these occasions are restricted to service and dress uniforms; the BDU and physical fitness uniforms will not be worn.

(1) When attending military funerals, memorial services, weddings, inaugurals, and other occasions of ceremony.

(2) When attending parades on national or state holidays, or other patriotic parades or ceremonies in which any active or reserve United States military unit is taking part.

Former Soldiers who are discharged honorably or under honorable conditions from the Army (even if it’s not during wartime service) may wear their uniform while going from the place of discharge to their home of record, within three months after discharge.

Wear of the Army uniform at any other time, or for any other purpose than stated above, is prohibited.


49 posted on 06/10/2014 10:12:21 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: reed13k

see post above.

What we are talking about is Marine CAMPAIGN (SERVICE) HAT.

What Army regs have to say have no bearing here.

The hat is authorized for wear by the following personnel only:

a. At Recruit Depots/recruit rifle ranges when approved by the Commanding Generals.

(1) Assigned male and female drill instructors

(2) Sergeants major, recruit training regiments

(3) Recruit company first sergeants

(4) Primary marksmanship instructors conducting recruit marksmanship training

(5) Chief marksmanship instructors

(6) Line NCO’s and coaches

(7) Range officers (MOS 9925)

b. Drill instructors at Naval Aviation Officer Candidate School

c. Range officers (MOS 9925) at Marine Corps Combat Development Command, Quantico.

d. Members of the USMC rifle and pistol teams (Regular/Reserve) funded by HQMC.

MCO P1020.34F


50 posted on 06/10/2014 10:34:03 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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