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The Pope Is Right about Pets: Yes, they’re replacing children in the West.
National Review ^ | 06/10/2014 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 06/10/2014 7:13:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: children; pets; popefrancis

1 posted on 06/10/2014 7:13:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

He might change his mind if he visits some of our inner cities. If the parents, both mother and father, aren’t going to be responsible and raise their own children, they need to be fixed so they don’t have any more.


2 posted on 06/10/2014 7:17:29 AM PDT by boycott
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To: SeekAndFind

The moslems invading Western Europe and Hispanics invading the United States don’t have these problems. They eat their pets to feed their 8 kids.


3 posted on 06/10/2014 7:17:37 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster

Actually, Spengler ( David Goldman ) argues that Muslims too have a demographic problem.

See here:

http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2013/02/11/fertility-faith-and-the-decline-of-islam-strategic-implications/

Fertility, Faith, and the Decline of Islam: Strategic Implications


4 posted on 06/10/2014 7:19:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Any viewer of HGTV can vouch for this. Couples chose homes based on whether their dog will approve of the back yard!


5 posted on 06/10/2014 7:20:19 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

If people have dogs.... of course they want a “dog friendly” back yard. To say they are letting the “dog” choose the house they buy is a little far fetched.


6 posted on 06/10/2014 7:25:03 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: SeekAndFind

It is troubling, for the future of society, when you consider that some of the most accomplished and brightest, “yuppie” types, if I can use that term, just do not want to have children. And some of these same people lavish lots of attention on their pets.

I think that modern thinking, the whole sexual revolution idea, and modern contraceptives, have created a culture in which many people just will never have children. And there are implications for the whole society.


7 posted on 06/10/2014 7:28:09 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et o)
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To: SeekAndFind

Prager should visit Los Feliz. To quote from Danny DeVito’s “Ratings Game”: “I ain’t never seen so many white people in one place.”


8 posted on 06/10/2014 7:28:13 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind

Does anyone else suspect this invasion is being orchestrated and funded by the Obama administration itself, and some of his backers like Soros, and the COC, and the GOP establishment, etc?

Any hard evidence yet who’s ultimately behind this?


9 posted on 06/10/2014 7:29:50 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

Sorry, posted reply to the wrong thread . . . .


10 posted on 06/10/2014 7:30:59 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s Why.

“I want you to love me like my dog”

http://www.musicstop.org/billy-currington-like-my-dog-lyrics-with-video/


12 posted on 06/10/2014 7:37:19 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In the long run, this is a good thing.

When, these low impulse controls don’t breed and produce more low impulse controls, our country and world is better off.


13 posted on 06/10/2014 7:38:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: dagogo redux

Interestingly, your comment is still actually somewhat related to this.

Illegal immigration is allowed to continue because government needs people to pay into the system, and the native population is not reproducing. Well, that’s one reason, anyhow.


14 posted on 06/10/2014 7:46:02 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: txrefugee

They’re sooo evolved! Not the dog owners but the dogs themselves.


15 posted on 06/10/2014 7:49:34 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can’t really argue with that.

I have no desire to raise a child in this society.


16 posted on 06/10/2014 8:00:53 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think there’s another reason, which is that contemporary philosophy and the teachings of academia are very antihuman. “Nature” is their God and an environment free of human beings is their goal.

This has always been a part of American progressive Utopian thought. Even from the time of Emerson, who thought he could go and live with animals… because they were so peaceful and superior to human beings. That just shows you how much he knew about animals!

Man is central to Christianity, which is based on God’s having become man. And Man is central to Judaism, since Man was the other party to the Covenant. But Man is nothing in the eastern religions and in modern progressivism (for which these religions form an unacknowledged spiritual basis to the extent that it has one).

So the rejection of Judeo-Christian thought has resulted in reducing the centrality of mankind and putting all creatures on the same level. So why not wear your dog’s picture in a locket around your neck?


17 posted on 06/10/2014 8:06:46 AM PDT by livius
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To: SeekAndFind
Actually, Spengler ( David Goldman ) argues that Muslims too have a demographic problem.

Yes, but certain Muslim extremists are willing to do anything to propagate their way of life. Like kidnap a couple hundred teenage girls, marry them off to their fellow terrorists and/or rape and impregnate them.
18 posted on 06/10/2014 8:20:15 AM PDT by caligatrux (...some animals are more equal than others.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The article seems to focus on muslim countries, not the muslims in Western Europe, where I believe they do have higher fertility rates.

Looks like the entire world, with the exception of the urban poor in the United States, is experiencing issues with an aging population. China, Japan, the muslim countries, Western Europe, the United States and Canada...


19 posted on 06/10/2014 8:26:37 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster

RE: Looks like the entire world, with the exception of the urban poor in the United States

Have a look at the predominantly Christian country of the Philippines... it has a fast growing economy with a birth rate of 3.1 children per family....


20 posted on 06/10/2014 8:29:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: boycott
They don't need to be "fixed" in the sense of being spayed, a veterinary approach which annihilates human dignity.

They need to be fixed --- as we all do --- by being saved, which is to say, by placing their faith, hope, and love in Almighty God and honoring His purposes for a free, responsible, and dignified human life.

21 posted on 06/10/2014 8:33:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: SeekAndFind

I admit, I am confused. It is my understanding that single mamas are paid money to have kids, per say. Didn’t the numbers just come out the other day regarding how many illegals are having babies in Texas?

My head is spinning, I can’t make heads or tails out of any of the news lately.


22 posted on 06/10/2014 8:34:08 AM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

RE: I admit, I am confused. It is my understanding that single mamas are paid money to have kid

Actually, money is given AFTER they have the child and have no way of supporting the child.


23 posted on 06/10/2014 8:37:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Saw a bumper sticker the other day. It had a “rainbow “ paw and it read, “ I Love My Two Mommies”


24 posted on 06/10/2014 8:39:06 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset
RE: I Love My Two Mommies”

What about three Mommies?


25 posted on 06/10/2014 8:41:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Mrs. Don-o

They don’t need to be “fixed” in the sense of being spayed, a veterinary approach which annihilates human dignity.
They need to be fixed -— as we all do -— by being saved, which is to say, by placing their faith, hope, and love in Almighty God and honoring His purposes for a free, responsible, and dignified human life.


I won’t argue with that because you’re right.


26 posted on 06/10/2014 8:48:04 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Ditter

Perks of Pet children:

1. No college tuition worries
2. No teen angst to deal with
3. They don’t complain about off brand clothing
4. They don’t care where you go for vacation
5. No babysitters required


27 posted on 06/10/2014 9:30:42 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

6. 12-15 year lifespan (no adult problems to deal with)

Notice the Beneful dog food ads using the term “Pet Parent”?


29 posted on 06/10/2014 10:40:20 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: livius
This has always been a part of American progressive Utopian thought. Even from the time of Emerson, who thought he could go and live with animals… because they were so peaceful and superior to human beings. That just shows you how much he knew about animals!

Aren't you confusing Emerson with Thoreau? Emerson was very pro-hindu, however.

30 posted on 06/10/2014 10:48:52 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; boycott
They don't need to be "fixed" in the sense of being spayed, a veterinary approach which annihilates human dignity.

Thank you for this post.

Some conservatives can't seem to make up their minds if they're for or against abortion/birth control/sterilization. It seems to all depend on which "civilization" we're talking about.

31 posted on 06/10/2014 10:51:44 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: henkster
The moslems invading Western Europe and Hispanics invading the United States don’t have these problems. They eat their pets to feed their 8 kids.

Perhaps in their home countries they have to. Once they're here, there's no need to eat the family pets when they have food stamps and earned income credits to feed their innumerable offspring.

32 posted on 06/10/2014 12:31:52 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: boycott

You’re right - all this concern over falling birth rates seems like an obsession with quantity over quality. I’m more concerned with skyrocketing birth rates among indigents in the Third World (especially when they spill over here) than I am with low birth rates in developed nations.


33 posted on 06/10/2014 12:34:49 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Grampa Dave
When, these low impulse controls don’t breed and produce more low impulse controls, our country and world is better off

The trouble is, the low impulse controls are the ones with the most children these days. Every gangbanger has sired about a dozen by the time he's 20, not one of whom is provided for.

34 posted on 06/10/2014 12:44:39 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I think openness in communication was the big change. It used to be that if you didn’t want to have kids that was your dark little secret and you went and had kids because that’s how things worked. My MIL is now very open about the fact that she never wanted kids, but she had them anyway (and did a pretty bad job of it in 2 out of 3 tries and her grandkid) because that was what you did. By the time I came of age enough people were open about the fact that they didn’t want kids that you could actually use it as a spouse selection criteria, which I did.

I think in the long run it has very good implications for society. Birthrate will eventually level out, and only people who actually want kids, and will put the effort necessary into raising them properly, will have kids. Some of the biggest messes I’ve ever known were society obligation children, if we stop having them a lot of problems go away. And when we get a generation that’s almost entirely born from desire and raised that way a higher percentage of them will want kids.


35 posted on 06/10/2014 12:56:37 PM PDT by discostu (Ladies and gentlemen watch Ruth!)
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To: ek_hornbeck

“The trouble is, the low impulse controls are the ones with the most children these days. Every gangbanger has sired about a dozen by the time he’s 20, not one of whom is provided for.”

You are correct, those LIC’s and the upcoming hoard of illegals with LIC are breeding at high rates. They and their broods will live in ghettos and kill each other until they are killed.

The ones I’m presenting are the so called elite left wingers, who line up for days to buy the latest Apple product. They spend more money on their pets each year than most average people do with their children.

Look at the tv ads for the high end pet food. After a recent barrage of these tv ads, my wife noted, for decades, we were told not to feed our pets table scraps. Now they market basically table scraps and sell what is processed as a high end premium pet food. There is even a so called grilled pet food.

Hey, whatever keeps them happy and off the streets protesting something. Besides it is their money now, until we get taxed to feed someone’s pets.


36 posted on 06/10/2014 12:59:12 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: discostu
Excellent summary:

"I think in the long run it has very good implications for society. Birthrate will eventually level out, and only people who actually want kids, and will put the effort necessary into raising them properly, will have kids. Some of the biggest messes I’ve ever known were society obligation children, if we stop having them a lot of problems go away. And when we get a generation that’s almost entirely born from desire and raised that way a higher percentage of them will want kids."

37 posted on 06/10/2014 1:03:41 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

From what we see, #5 is a big problem with the pet owners, whose pets are their kids.

They spend a lot of time and effort finding the right person to take care of their pets when they are on vacation.

One of our childless neighbors with pets lost her regular pet sitter and paid good money for someone else. When they returned from the vacation, I noticed their dog was very shy and hangdown around my wife and I. That was not his normal behavior.

I asked them if their dog had a different sitter, and they said yes. To make a long story short the pet sitter’s son was an abusive drunk sob, and scared the pets his Mother watched.

One of our widow church ladies makes good money watching homes and the pets of the home owners. She is in high demand.


38 posted on 06/10/2014 1:10:06 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: Grampa Dave

We either take the dog with us or she stays with my Mom or my sister. Our dog was dumped out as a 6 month old puppy on the street in our neighborhood. If we take her anywhere unknown to her she thinks we are abandoning her and she won’t eat.


39 posted on 06/10/2014 1:33:53 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind
What about three Mommies?

Two of the lesbian threesome are named "Doll" and "Kitten"? You can't make that kind of stuff up.

40 posted on 06/10/2014 3:23:54 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Zionist Conspirator

They don’t need to be “fixed” in the sense of being spayed, a veterinary approach which annihilates human dignity.


Thank you for this post.

Some conservatives can’t seem to make up their minds if they’re for or against abortion/birth control/sterilization. It seems to all depend on which “civilization” we’re talking about.

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I certainly don’t favor abortion.

I do have a problem with women on welfare having 9 kids with 6 different men. If they cannot provide for the kids they have, we don’t need to keep paying them to have more.

If a woman has children and cannot provide for them, I have no issue telling them they need to have a Norplant in their arm until they can show they can take care of the children they have. Otherwise, no more money for more children. if they show they can be responsible, they can have it removed.

The device is safe and can be removed. It would be voluntary. If they want to continue to receive welfare, do it or realize there isn’t additional money for more children.

The rhythm method is a form of birth control. I’ve got no problems with that just like I wouldn’t with Norplant.

Is it better for them to keep having children with no father in the home? Is it better to fill up prisons because no one was there to teach them right from wrong?


41 posted on 06/10/2014 7:17:52 PM PDT by boycott
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