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Satanists seek religious exemption to pro-life laws, call gay unions their ‘sacrament’
LifeSiteNews ^ | 6/10/14 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 06/10/2014 10:21:28 AM PDT by wagglebee

DETROIT, MI, June 10, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Whenever the American people try to curtail abortion or maintain marriage laws, the followers of Satan will be there to fight back, promises the national spokesman for the Satanic Temple.

“Lucien Greaves” told Detroit's Metro Times that he would like to help women avoid complying with pro-life laws by saying abortion restrictions violate their Satanic religious beliefs. He added that gay “marriage” is a Satanic “sacrament.”

He said Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder, a Republican from the party's moderate business wing, “has been trying to make it untenable for women to terminate a pregnancy.” A bill that Snyder signed – which requires the state's abortion facilities to upgrade their health and safety standards, properly dispose of aborted babies, and assure that women were not coerced into abortion – took effect last Easter. Another, requiring people to specifically opt into plans covering abortion, became law in March.

He had previously signed a law requiring that doctors allow women the opportunity to see an image of their children during ultrasounds administered before an abortion.

“We feel we should protect women from superfluous procedures like the transvaginal ultrasound, with [a] religious exemption,” Greaves said. The bill in question did not mandate that doctors perform transvaginal ultrasounds, although abortionists regularly perform transvaginal ultrasounds during the abortion process.

Greaves told the website Vice.com, far from anti-social teenage hoodlums, his Luciferian followers are “civic-minded, socially responsible Satanists.”

“One of the things we felt strongly about is gay rights,” Greaves said.

Snyder, whom he dubbed an “idiot governor,” has allowed “his loathing of homosexuals to trump his adhesion [sic] to the Constitution,” he said. “To us, marriage is a sacrament. We recognize it, and we think the state would have to recognize the marriage on religious liberty grounds.”

He said he would personally like to conduct such ceremonies in Michigan, where Judge Bernard Friedman struck down the state's marriage protection amendment in March.

The Satanic Temple's affirmation of abortion and redefining marriage “perhaps accidentally affirm the position of many in the pro-life movement that assaults on innocent human life and the family are demonic in origin,” Adam Cassandra, communications manager of Human Life International, told LifeSiteNews.

As Pope Francis has so often pointed out, Satan really exists,” he said. “Even as they advocate for ‘justice’ and ‘rights,' they identify with the one who has been the source of all evil and deception throughout human history.”

At times, some liberal progressives have invoked demonic forces in their lobbying efforts. Last July, a group of abortion supporters chanted “Hail Satan!” while pro-life Christians sang “Amazing Grace” at the Texas statehouse before the passage of that state's ban on abortions after 20 weeks.

“This move by the Satanic Temple simply makes this argument that there’s some deception or evil behind the worldwide attack on preborn life and marriage that much stronger,” Cassandra told LifeSiteNews.

Greaves and his disciples of darkness have made headlines all over the country – threatening to bring Satanic prayer to public schools, seeking to erect statues of the devil on public property, and holding a Black Mass at Harvard.

Greaves, who was born Doug Mesner, said despite branding his organization The Satanic Temple, originally there was no organization, no temple, and its leaders did not actually believe in Satan.

“While the original thinking was that the Satanic Temple needed to hold to some belief in a supernatural entity known as 'Satan,' none of us truly believed that,” Mesner told Vice.com. Friends had recruited him because he spent his years at Harvard studying conspiracy theories, including fanciful tales of Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA), he said.

They hoped to spoof religious freedom arguments by applying them to Satan-worshipers, then release a documentary about their exploits. Mesner was hired to be their spokesman, and Lucien Greaves was born.

The “Temple” publicly welcomed Florida Gov. Rick Scott's decision to sign H.B. 98 allowing prayer in schools, “ensuring that children who might otherwise never learn of the Satanic creed could be exposed to it in the classroom.”

“The United States is a nation based upon religious pluralism,” Greaves said.

After Oklahoma decided to erect a monument of the Ten Commandments on the Statehouse lawn, Greaves and his followers began taking donations to place a statue of Satan surrounded by adoring children to place alongside it. Greaves told Fox News last month the group had already pocketed $20,000 with the stunt.

The temple also scheduled a “reenactment” of a Satanic Black Mass at Harvard University in May. However, the event was purportedly canceled after Harvard President Drew Faust called the action “flagrantly disrespectful and inflammatory,” taking part in a Eucharistic procession to oppose the potential desecration of the Host.

Authorities in Mississippi charged Mesner with desecrating a cemetery after he and his followers conducted a “Pink Mass” in Magnolia Cemetery in Meridian, over the grave of Catherine Johnston, the mother of Westboro Baptist Church founder Fred Phelps Jr. The ritual would purportedly turn her spirit into a lesbian in the afterlife. Mesner posted photographs of the ceremony, which included a picture of him rubbing his genitals on her tombstone, last July.

“You travel a thousand miles to come to a place and do this type of act on a person's grave and you claim it is for love?” the cemetery's owner, Bill Arlinghaus, told the Meridian (Mississippi) Star. “These people are hypocrites. There was nothing but hate behind this.”

But Greaves gradually graduated from graveside antics.

He said the Satanic Temple's current goal is to have lobbyists in Washington, D.C., and lamented that the Satanic religion has “absolutely no political influence, no known agenda, no advocacy whatsoever.”

His group is now “setting up a legal fund,” he told Vice.

The documentary has long since been jettisoned, he claimed. “We have no clearly defined film project regarding the Satanic Temple in the works to speak of. The idea of a film has become secondary, at best.”

Trying to make real political headway promoting abortion and the acceptance of homosexuality proved more alluring, and more consequential, for the Devil and his putative followers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abortion; evil; gaylifestyle; homosexualagenda; luciengreaves; michigan; moralabsolutes; prolife; romneyagenda; romneymarriage; satan; satanists
He said the Satanic Temple's current goal is to have lobbyists in Washington, D.C., and lamented that the Satanic religion has “absolutely no political influence, no known agenda, no advocacy whatsoever.”

As best I can tell, they don't need lobbyists, the left in DC is doing whatever they ask.

1 posted on 06/10/2014 10:21:28 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/10/2014 10:22:28 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 06/10/2014 10:22:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Prohibitions on child sacrifice violates their religion too. But let’s not go there.

We need to get back to saying that some things are evil.


4 posted on 06/10/2014 10:28:24 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: wagglebee

As it is clear the group is not a religious group, but a parody political group, it has no such rights


6 posted on 06/10/2014 10:38:27 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: wagglebee

Unless this is from the Onion, Satan is going to bring a smackdown on his followers here for telling the truth — saying things so terrible that most people would be repelled.


7 posted on 06/10/2014 10:38:50 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: wagglebee

This sort of thing generally doesn’t fly in Detroit. Contrary to popular belief, Detroit is not a terribly liberal city. Its corrupt and that really is different than liberal.

When the city council president Charles Pugh was accused of an “inappropriate” relationship with a young male highschooler, the city council president ran away and fled to Seattle.

This is more the sort of thing I expect out of Ann Arbor.


8 posted on 06/10/2014 10:43:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: wagglebee

Well, since they are so opposed to ‘pro-life’ why not demonstrate their position and off themselves as a show of thier resolve? Go ahead, make my day...


9 posted on 06/10/2014 10:43:31 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: wagglebee

Must be tough to be a satanist and have to homosexual despite one’s self.


10 posted on 06/10/2014 10:46:07 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Albion Wilde
You would think, but sadly I am not so sure this is repulsive to many any more.

Our moral compass spins worse the Jack Sparrows...

11 posted on 06/10/2014 10:47:30 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: DannyTN

“Prohibitions on child sacrifice violates their religion too. But let’s not go there.”

But we have that. Its called “abortion”. Welcome to Baal-dom.


12 posted on 06/10/2014 10:49:50 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: wagglebee

So, the Satanists are hitching their wagon solidly with the pro abortion side and that’s supposed to worry us pro lifers?


13 posted on 06/10/2014 10:53:12 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: DannyTN
It's one thing to be an atheist, not believing in God.
But these people are different, they believe in satan and to do that means you believe in God as well.
Do you think anyone of them has given any thought to the idea of being in hell forever?
Separated from God, paradise, and their loved ones who know better?
14 posted on 06/10/2014 10:53:54 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: wagglebee

The Satanists are not members of a legitimate religion and therefore do not have the Constitutional Right to religious freedom or religious exemption.


15 posted on 06/10/2014 10:56:47 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: F15Eagle
Well, we can see that Obama’s base is energized.

Comment of the day!

16 posted on 06/10/2014 10:57:15 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Oliviaforever

“The Satanists are not members of a legitimate religion and therefore do not have the Constitutional Right to religious freedom or religious exemption.”

I did not realize the constitution said freedom of religion of legitimate religions. wow


18 posted on 06/10/2014 10:58:28 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: wagglebee

Sounds more like an article from The Onion


19 posted on 06/10/2014 10:59:43 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: 5thGenTexan

“Our moral compass spins worse the Jack Sparrows...”

Well, that says it all.


20 posted on 06/10/2014 11:15:24 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: DonaldC

Clarly the Constitution provides relief from government intrusion into bona fide religion. This can be defined historically, ecclesiastically, biblically, and by virtue of its appeal to absolute authority. One may not expect to create a religion out of wholecloth (sic Scientology) and expect to be granted religious exception.
This supposes government and the courts are operating within the constraints of tradition and common law.


21 posted on 06/10/2014 11:28:38 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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He added that gay “marriage” is a Satanic “sacrament.”

Refreshingly honest, ping!

22 posted on 06/10/2014 1:37:59 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: wagglebee

There are plenty of Satan’s little helpers in D.C. All those who push pro-abortion and pro-sodomy laws are doing the devil’s business.


23 posted on 06/10/2014 2:23:39 PM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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"Clarly the Constitution provides relief from government intrusion into bona fide religion."

I am certainly not comfortable with giving the government power to decide which is a "bona fide religion". Once it is so empowered, it may decide one fine morning that yours doesn't qualify any more. Or mine.

I happen to believe that only one narrowly-defined Church is real, and the rest were made up by men either deluded or lining their own pockets. I suspect most of us here feel the same way, although we'll disagree on the precise identity of the one actual church. ;)

Even despicable, awful, corrupt, fallen and misleading churches deserve the protection of our Constitution. The answer is not to support a government crackdown on them, but to use our freedoms to spread the real Word ourselves.
24 posted on 06/10/2014 2:53:46 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: wagglebee
“As Pope Francis has so often pointed out, Satan really exists,” he said.

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If anyone had any doubt about it, this story would serve as confirmation.

25 posted on 06/10/2014 3:28:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DannyTN
We need to get back to saying that some things are evil.

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Exactly right.

26 posted on 06/10/2014 3:29:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DannyTN

>> We need to get back to saying that some things are evil.

Existence is intrinsically evil.


27 posted on 06/10/2014 3:34:52 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: NYer

Naughty NYer, you didn’t include the “Barf alert” warning.


28 posted on 06/10/2014 3:40:30 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Gene Eric
"Existence is intrinsically evil."

No. Existence is intrinsically good. Choosing evil is evil.

29 posted on 06/10/2014 4:50:47 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: wagglebee

These dingbats need to read Job in order to get a clear understanding about who HaSatan REALLY is.

HaSatan (The Adversary) works FOR, not AGAINST G-d. Thus Satan is not an evil entity that has ANY power to do anything unless the Almighty gives him the ‘green light’.


30 posted on 06/10/2014 6:16:04 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Well......Bye.)
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To: Albion Wilde

LMAO. Satan’s ‘followers’ are dumbbells.

He wants nothing to do with this.


31 posted on 06/10/2014 6:20:09 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Well......Bye.)
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To: DannyTN

I never said existence wasn’t good, but it’s ignorant to believe evil is not elemental to existence.

Choosing to avoid and mitigate evil is good. And one does not need to choose evil to be evil which is not to say the decision to embrace evil is never made.


32 posted on 06/10/2014 7:27:31 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: wagglebee

Satanist rubs scrotum on tombstone, posts pics, laments not being taken seriously.


33 posted on 06/11/2014 11:58:36 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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