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Christian radio host slams Muslim prayers at Vatican as outreach to ‘demon god’
washingtontimes.com ^ | 6/10/2014 | Cheryl Chumley

Posted on 06/10/2014 10:30:54 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

“Remember, not every being that occupies the unseen world, the spiritual world, is a good guy, is a good spirit.”

Mr. Fisher said interfaith gatherings — specifically those that join Christians with Muslims — should be regarded with alarm, Raw Story reported.

“No Christian, in space over which he has authority, should ever willingly allow another spiritual leader to invite the presence of demons into his sanctuary,” he said, Raw Story reported. “This is for the simple reason that if they are invited, they will come. Thus any clergyman, whether an evangelical pastor or the pope himself, compromises the spiritual integrity of his sanctuary through an interfaith prayer service with

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1 posted on 06/10/2014 10:30:54 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Biggirl

Isn’t this what you posted early that got pulled for lack of link?


2 posted on 06/10/2014 10:31:43 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: RoosterRedux
True.

Besides, what is the likelihood the Vatican would be granted a similar privilege of delivering a prayer inside the Al Aqsa mosque?

3 posted on 06/10/2014 10:33:36 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: RoosterRedux

Well...Bryan Fischer is just stating what should have been obvious to the pope.


4 posted on 06/10/2014 10:36:00 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: RoosterRedux
“When Muslims pray, they are praying to a god that they refer to as Allah, who we know from the Scriptures is not the true and living God, but is a demon god

Actually, for fairly obvious reasons the Scriptures do not mention either Allah or Islam.

It should be noted that Allah is merely the Arabic word for God, and is very nearly identical to the word for God in Aramaic, the language Jesus used while on Earth.

Allah is used today to refer to the One True God by Arabic-speaking Christians, and has been since long before Islam was founded.

5 posted on 06/10/2014 10:37:48 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: RoosterRedux

Yes, I must have overlooked it. Sorry!


6 posted on 06/10/2014 10:38:36 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: RoosterRedux

He is right. Allah is a god of hate, intolerance and conquest - the old Arabian Moon-god.


7 posted on 06/10/2014 10:41:21 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: Biggirl

No prob. Happy to help!;-)


8 posted on 06/10/2014 10:41:24 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: Sherman Logan

The Islamic allah is not the Christian Allah.


9 posted on 06/10/2014 10:41:56 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Yet there are some Evangelical Christians that hold this Christian radio host position, regardless.


10 posted on 06/10/2014 10:42:23 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: RoosterRedux

He has a point. I mean, is The Pope going to be allowed to say the Our Father in the main mosque in Mecca? No? Then I say f**k the Muslims.


11 posted on 06/10/2014 10:42:30 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Sherman Logan

According to chic comics, the catholic church created islam so maybe this was birds of a feather flocking together. lol

I have no problem with somebody taking the first step to show people of differing faiths can come together without the sky falling. Not sure this is worth the effort with liberals or muslims but I guess worth a shot.


12 posted on 06/10/2014 10:42:58 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: DonaldC
I have no problem with somebody taking the first step to show people of differing faiths can come together without the sky falling. Not sure this is worth the effort with liberals or muslims but I guess worth a shot.

Unfortunately Muslims are not so magnanimous.

They will never allow a similar privilege for catholic prayer in their holy places.

13 posted on 06/10/2014 10:49:06 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Sherman Logan

That the word Alla-h is commonly translated into English as god ... Does not make it the one true God as revealed in Jewish/Christian biblical scripture. It’s what their god teaches them, what he represents that counts and this reveals his real identity is very, very different from the biblical deity we pray to in our churches and synagogues. Their god teaches them to subjugate or kill Christians, Jews, and other innocent people. Satan.


14 posted on 06/10/2014 10:52:37 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: RoosterRedux

Just found this from last year.


16 posted on 06/10/2014 10:54:52 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: faithhopecharity

Allah was the most powerful of the Djinns in the B’aal. A Djinn is a Sand Demon. Do the math.


17 posted on 06/10/2014 10:55:28 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: ZULU; faithhopecharity

So when Arians or other first-millennium heretics with defective christology referred to “God” they were not referring to the Christian God?

I despise Islam, but the fact is that their Allah is the God of Abraham, even though they barely know Him.


18 posted on 06/10/2014 11:04:50 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: faithhopecharity

The god of the muzzies is not the God of Creation Who is worshipped by Jews and Christians.

Muzzies’ insistence that all three religions worship the same Deity is proof that muzzies will hijack absolutely ANYTHING!


19 posted on 06/10/2014 11:04:52 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: RoosterRedux

Who or whatever Allah is, is not the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.


20 posted on 06/10/2014 11:05:26 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: bk1000

This is bad ground because Jews have held since the beginning that the father of Jesus is not Yahweh, the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.


21 posted on 06/10/2014 11:08:09 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Romulus

Their Allah is definite not the Biblical God. Their Allah teaches them to lie to, attack, subjugate, and kill Christians and
Jews ( and other innocent people). This is most definitely not Biblical One true God. The issue is not that they know the one true God poorly, the issue is they their god is in direct opposition to the one true God (and His peoples). There are probably some Moslems who think they are praying to the right guy. But, It’s what they may think or claim they think that matters. It’s what their god actually teaches that counts and that reveals their god’s real identity. There is only one force so evil as to teach the mass murders of millions of innocent peoples just because they’re Christian or Jewish believers in the biblical God. By its fruits ye may know the tree...


22 posted on 06/10/2014 11:15:58 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

“This is most definitely not Biblical One true God. “

I understand the point you are trying to make, but have you ever seen the orders that came down from that Biblical One true God?


23 posted on 06/10/2014 11:17:24 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Sherman Logan

That’s not completely accurate. Islam’s founder Ishmael is mentioned.

Allah is a pagan moon god from way way back. I do think the terminology matters.


24 posted on 06/10/2014 11:20:57 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: RoosterRedux

Link works for me. Doesn’t for you?


25 posted on 06/10/2014 11:27:50 AM PDT by DManA
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To: RoosterRedux

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/francesco-terra-santa-34639/


26 posted on 06/10/2014 11:28:02 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: Sherman Logan

We know from scripture that it is a demon god because it denies the Lordship of Jesus.


27 posted on 06/10/2014 11:29:06 AM PDT by DManA
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To: RoosterRedux
They were in the garden not the sanctuary. As I said on the thread that got pulled. There are a lot of people who presume to know what God whispers to the heart of this Pope.

Some Popes have confronted true evil before. Jesus confronted the devil even. The only way to know the enemy is to know the enemy.

28 posted on 06/10/2014 11:31:45 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: DManA; Biggirl

It was posted previously by Biggirl, but got pulled because the link didn’t work.


29 posted on 06/10/2014 11:31:45 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: DonaldC

God in ancient times ordered or did some things that we may not approve of by our modern social understandings. Yes. But I would suggest that God’s revelation is best viewed in a more comprehensive perspective, one that includes and indeed emphasizes such central teachings or goals, if you will, as the Ten commandments, the Golden Rule, and turning the other cheek -— Not trying to over simplify but it’s difficult to type a lot in this little box. Just saying that there is a major central positive theme that’s repeatedly taught by the Biblical God for human life on Rock Three, and that this Divine instruction is directly contradicted, opposed, whatever by That other outfit teaching it’s adherents to go out and kill Christians, Jews, and other innocent people in the name of Alluh.


30 posted on 06/10/2014 11:34:24 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: DManA
We know from scripture that it is a demon god because it denies the Lordship of Jesus.

Bingo! We have a winner. This is true of ALL false gods/goddesses.

31 posted on 06/10/2014 11:34:28 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Bulwyf

Umm, Ishmael was in all likelihood an ancestor of Mohammed, the founder of Islam.


32 posted on 06/10/2014 11:44:48 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Romulus

I don’t agree.

The Arians were a Christian sect and worshipped the true God of Abraham and Isaac.

Zoroastrians worshipped a monotheistic God very like that God.

The Islamic Allah is a god of hate, violence and intolerance totally divorced from Judaeo-Christian theology and unlike the conception of a deity envisioned by nearly any other religious belief system.

Their god is like Sharia - evil, brutal, hateful and intolerant and ALSO deceptive and mendacious when dealing with “non-believers”.


33 posted on 06/10/2014 11:46:08 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: faithhopecharity

The issue here is map versus territory.

That Muslims believe Allah is the same Person as the God worshipped by Jews and Christians is beyond dispute. The Creator, the One True God, etc.

That the word “Allah” simply means “God,” is also just a fact.

Now whether the word Allah when used by Christians means the same Person as when used by Muslims is a matter of opinion, at least from a human perspective. Nobody in this life can prove it as a matter of fact on way or the other.

Personally, I try to give all those who claim to be worshiping the One True God benefit of the doubt. As Paul explained in Acts 17, even those unclear on the nature or name of God may be worshiping him. Some don’t know who He is, others have mistaken or even wildly wrong beliefs about him. It’s not up to me to decide how God feels about a sincerely devout Muslim.

I think we have enough to do dealing with the actions of the more devout and extreme Muslims, without worrying ourselves about whether the Allah they all worship is “really” a demon.


34 posted on 06/10/2014 11:54:08 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: RoosterRedux

Yea I am sick of the same God argument, hell no allah is no god, and mohammad is a perve..I think Christians should have the right to put up signs, mohammad is a demonic liar and allah is a phonecian temple make up god..


35 posted on 06/10/2014 12:02:23 PM PDT by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: RoosterRedux

Sanctuary...it was open garden OUTSIDE?

The Three Came to Pray in their own manner for PEACE

I believe the POPE was Living LOVE your neighbor as YOURSELF and Looking for Peace he made it a Point to say Catholics have the Right to practice their Faith anywhere without retribution.


36 posted on 06/10/2014 12:11:14 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (AB-Sheen"The truth is the truth if nobody believes it,a lie is still a lie, everybody believes it")
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To: Bulwyf

“Islam’s founder Ishmael is mentioned.”

Ishmael did not found islam.

A descendant of Ishmael founded islam

Large difference.

For his many faults, Ishmael was faithful to G-d in his way.


37 posted on 06/10/2014 12:16:49 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Sherman Logan

Allah is Satan.


38 posted on 06/10/2014 12:17:08 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Jewbacca

That’s who they claim, and the bible accurately described him.


39 posted on 06/10/2014 12:25:16 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Sherman Logan

Other way around, Ishmael was around long before Mohammed.


40 posted on 06/10/2014 12:25:42 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Absolutely. But Ishmael did not found Islam. His descendant Mohammed did.

Unless you’re a Muslim, in which case you believe Islam is just the true religion, and all of the prophets from Adam to Jesus were Muslims. Mohammed did not found Islam, by this POV, he merely purified and finalized it.


41 posted on 06/10/2014 12:40:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Bulwyf

Arabs claim to be (and are)descendants of Ishmael, just as I am a descendant of Isaac.

Mohammed, an arab, founded his false religion some 3,000-4,000 years after the death of Ishmael.


42 posted on 06/10/2014 12:47:08 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Jewbacca

He didn’t found it according them, he was just a prophet. I’ve had this talk with them a lot.

Either way they’re wrong in their belief of paradise etc.


43 posted on 06/10/2014 1:06:32 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Sherman Logan

You may give anyone the benefit of the doubt you wish.
I would agree with you that God may be merciful with a Moslem who mistakenly thinks s/he is praying to the one true God.
I was only addressing what Islam teaches, not the sincerity of an individual Moslem.

We are taught to exercise discernment and to reject new gospels. Especially those that contradict God’s law and revelation/ Biblical Scripture. I will stick with that conclusion (insofar as the Islamic faith is concerned — it is patently and repeatedly in opposition to the God of the J/C Bible and its people, as anyone can see... violently so...).........

again I can agree with your thought that God may be merciful or forgiving or understanding to individuals of any religion or culture who sincerely think or strive to pray to Him.. I rather think He will be so....).

Best regards,
fhc


44 posted on 06/10/2014 1:15:41 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Bulwyf

They claim Moshe and Abraham as prophets, too.

And basically every other person in the Torah.

All while claiming the Torah is Jewish lies.


45 posted on 06/10/2014 1:32:34 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Sherman Logan

Who or what dictated the Koran to Mohammad in that cave? Or did Mo just make it all up?


46 posted on 06/10/2014 1:49:39 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Jewbacca

Far as I know, Torah is the old law.


47 posted on 06/10/2014 2:01:21 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: DManA

I suspect a combination of demonic influence, delusion, genuine though perhaps misguided belief in his mission and opportunism.

Much like Joseph Smith, probably.

That I do not believe Mohammed (or Joe) to be genuine prophets of God does not necessarily mean that all who follow them today are therefore worshiping demons, IMO.

People who were indisputably Christian believers have over the centuries followed men who led them into committing great atrocities, quite frequently in the name of Christ. Does not mean that they were therefore no longer worshipers of God, only that they were misled and at least for that time no longer walking in his light.

Islam is in some ways the greatest of all Christian heresies.


48 posted on 06/10/2014 2:01:58 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Bulwyf

no.


49 posted on 06/10/2014 2:40:35 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: skeeter

I was wondering the same thing.


50 posted on 06/10/2014 3:15:36 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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