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OK Brat wins in VA, BUT what the HELL happened in SC??!!
11 June 2014 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 06/11/2014 5:32:28 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

DAMMIT South Carolina, CLOSE YOUR PRIMARIES!


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina; Your Opinion/Questions
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1 posted on 06/11/2014 5:32:28 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

There were six guys running against Graham. May have been a different outcome if there had only been one.


2 posted on 06/11/2014 5:33:29 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: US Navy Vet

Look for the most “conservative” guy to win. What happened in Virgina is the start of a major wave.


3 posted on 06/11/2014 5:35:11 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: US Navy Vet

Graham is a skilled and slimy politician who says whatever anybody wants to hear. An old-fashioned retail politician.

He spent literally millions, got only 56% of the “republican” electorate, and still may lose in November.


4 posted on 06/11/2014 5:35:32 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: US Navy Vet

A bunch of conservatives that talked real big, but as usual tried to be too smart by half.

They, and the ones in KY can finally stop their boasting and actually concentrate on actually winning next time.


5 posted on 06/11/2014 5:35:49 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: US Navy Vet

Gonna have to get the state legislature to act on that, unfortunately, which doesn’t look likely.

State senator Lee Bright had the opportunity to be a Chris McDaniel, but he totally bungled it.


6 posted on 06/11/2014 5:36:23 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: ilovesarah2012

We have until August 12th to get rid of Paul Ryan.....I pray this happens. I can’t stand him and his screw with the Veteran nonsense. There is another Ryan running against him and I hope he wins!!!!!


7 posted on 06/11/2014 5:37:17 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Duh. There is nothing so stupid as running six people to oppose one person. Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Also, SC still has an open primary, which allows Democrats to choose the GOP candidate. That’s how you wind up with a disgusting character like Graham, who “works with the Democrats” to destroy our country.


8 posted on 06/11/2014 5:37:54 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: US Navy Vet
OK Brat wins in VA, BUT what the HELL happened in SC??!!

SC is a PRIME example of why we need TERM LIMITS!

9 posted on 06/11/2014 5:38:00 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle?" - Patrick Henry, 1775)
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To: US Navy Vet

the best candidate in SC had the least money - Lee Bright. He still swamped all other challengers - but didn’t have the money to counter Graham’s ads. Graham ran great radio and TV spots. Very clever. The messages shored up his weak points in voters minds, and there was no money to counter it.

Meanwhile, no talk radio hosts or outside groups got involved in SC for whatever reason. They helped push Brat over the top.

And again, one congressional district is one thing, an entire state is another.


10 posted on 06/11/2014 5:38:56 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: US Navy Vet
Here's a thread with many thoughts on that ....

Two biggies: Cantor and his staff were their own worst enemies. And it is MUCH easier to oust an incumbent in a smaller House seat district than a statewide Senate race.

11 posted on 06/11/2014 5:39:00 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: ilovesarah2012

That’s it in a nut shell. Too many decisions for a state full of numb nuts.


12 posted on 06/11/2014 5:39:15 AM PDT by albie
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To: Viennacon

How did Bright “totally bungle it?”


13 posted on 06/11/2014 5:39:41 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: VanDeKoik

What you said.


14 posted on 06/11/2014 5:40:16 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: US Navy Vet

Really it is a matter of not enough state wide appeal. Nobody generated enough positive appeal. The only appeal was negative - dump the RINO. This has strong appeal in the upstate but not so much as you move toward the coast.


15 posted on 06/11/2014 5:43:31 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: US Navy Vet

There is a fallacy in your assumption.

Cantor lost a primary for a seat in the House

Lindsey won primary for a seat in the Senate

In Va there was one strong conservative voice

There was no strong conservative voice in SC, as always, narrowly focused conservatives put up a lot of candidates to allow the various factions to vote their principles

There is actually no valid comparison in the two races permitting a conclusion to be drawn

Conservative unity wins is the lesson


16 posted on 06/11/2014 5:45:10 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: US Navy Vet

People overplayed their hand in SC. They fielded too many candidates thinking that was smart. It was not.
Same thing is going to happen in the 2016 primaries too if a lesson wasn’t learned here.

Put up a good candidate against a RINO and back that person. Don’t field a bunch who will cancel each other out allowing the RINO a win.


17 posted on 06/11/2014 5:45:18 AM PDT by dforest
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To: US Navy Vet

Like Cornyn, Graham won but it was NOT a ringing endorsement.

I wonder how many conservatives they’ve sufficiently alienated with their lies and deceit during the primaries, that will refuse to vote for them in the general.


18 posted on 06/11/2014 5:45:31 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: C. Edmund Wright

McDaniel came out of the gate and locked up serious national endorsements very quickly. Bright totally failed in this regard despite holding a very similar position to McDaniel (a prominent state legislator conservative), and I can only put that down to poor presentation and retail politics on his part.
National groups clearly hoped someone better would come along. GOA for example waited until a day before the election to settle on Bright.

This was exacerbated by Bright’s financial problems which involved an underwater trucking business that was facing foreclosure as well as a lawsuit for late payments.


19 posted on 06/11/2014 5:45:59 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: US Navy Vet
What really needs to happen to close a state's primaries?

Can it be done before the 2016 elections in any state?

Does it have to go through the legislature if we just want to close the Republican Primary?

Does anybody know?

20 posted on 06/11/2014 5:45:59 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: Viennacon

…I’m not being ugly, but I do want to know what you mean by Bright bungled it. That’s not my take, and I’ve been pretty close to this race. I am legitimately interested in what would fuel your opinion. You may have a point….something I missed.


21 posted on 06/11/2014 5:46:00 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Not so— it was “anybody but Graham”— I believe democrats came to save Lindsey’s pansy a$$. Lets see if any candidate is fronted by the Dems for his seat this fall.


22 posted on 06/11/2014 5:47:05 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Betty Jane

Time for a third party.


23 posted on 06/11/2014 5:47:39 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: US Navy Vet

When you go to vote in SC you produce a photo ID. Once you are located on the roll they ask you if you wish to vote on the Republican or Democrat ticket. You tell them your choice, sign one of two sheets, and are given a colored card according to the sheet you sign. You give this card to the poll worker who authorizes the machine for your chosen ticket.

Going by the number of signatures on the sheets the ratio at my polling location was 3 to 1 Republican.

I voted for Lee Bright. There weren’t enough people like me.


24 posted on 06/11/2014 5:49:54 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Viennacon

Well, there’s a difference between lack of success and bungle. Sometimes the cards are just stacked. For one thing, Cochran is no where near as good a campaigner as Graham. It’s not even close. His team stinks too.

And Bright did get some good early endorsements…..all gun groups but NRA, the National Republican Liberty Caucus (Cruz and Lee related group), most local TP groups in SC. But no big names would come in and endorse. Talk radio did not get involved. (rumors that LG and Laura had a thing once…)

Consider this: Bright was outspent by everyone but Dunn (who got 1%). He still doubled up his nearest competitor. With a push from talk radio or some outside money, he could have countered Grahams clever Obama Care ads, and hammered amnesty. That would have kept Graham under 50. But he had zero help from national talkers or PACs.


25 posted on 06/11/2014 5:50:20 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: US Navy Vet

There’s a reason SC has the “Corridor of Shame”.


26 posted on 06/11/2014 5:50:27 AM PDT by moovova
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To: US Navy Vet

It’s really too bad that those with the lowest numbers stayed in, but then who knows that Graham didn’t offer a “carrot” to them to stay in the race to keep the person closest to him from getting close enough for a run-off. I’m sorry to have to say this, but it shows that we really need to vet candidates better. A couple weeks out from a race, one needs to be able to assess the situation and make decisions. The fact that so many were polling so low, but still didn’t drop out and throw their support to a better candidate tells me a lot about them. It’s still about THEM, and not what is best for the state/country. And, the voters SHOULD be able to see that a candidate running in 4th, 5th or 6th place is a wasted vote. They are as much to blame as the candidates.


27 posted on 06/11/2014 5:50:41 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Mamzelle

Democrats out was a factor. Did it get him over 50%? Hard to tell.


28 posted on 06/11/2014 5:51:01 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: US Navy Vet

Aren’t the primaries in VA open as well? I was reading an article on the way into work saying that democrats in VA were celebrating because they turned out to beat Cantor in order to beat Brat in the general election. Is this the case?


29 posted on 06/11/2014 5:51:37 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Shery

There was a clear leading challenger from the start almost. And it was borne out last night. Clearly.


30 posted on 06/11/2014 5:51:42 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: thefactor

If VA democrats helped Cantor, that will backfire on them. Cantor’s loss dooms immigration reform, which all those Dems wanted.

With a 12 point margin, I doubt it was a major factor. Tactical voting is a good story, ususally backed up by teeny numbers.


31 posted on 06/11/2014 5:52:48 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: ilovesarah2012
May have been a different outcome if there had only been one (against Graham)

Constitutional conservatives win when they develop a strong, principled ability to articulate the issues. Our side has to be better, MUCH BETTER than the opponent. Nobody developed that strong voice against Graham, so Graham won.

TV news was funny this morning. The analysts are still in denial that a big part of it is that a majority of people want to not just stop, but reverse, the invasion of the US.

Their bogus polls ask people "do you favor immigration reform" which is a trick question. The reform people want is to enforce the laws we already have. I do think the spectre of those caged invader children who the DC-Chamber of Commerce crowd want to keep here was just too much, and Cantor has been a sellout on the invasion.

32 posted on 06/11/2014 5:53:46 AM PDT by grania
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McDaniel came out of the gate and locked up serious national endorsements very quickly.

I believe that the fact that there were so many challengers running scared the national organizations away from picking one to back. I presume they held their gunpowder to see if any got to a run-off. Not Bright's fault at all imho.

This was exacerbated by Bright’s financial problems which involved an underwater trucking business ...

Bright addressed these issues and didn't shy away from it. He was elected to the State Senate with these financial problems as a part of his history.

33 posted on 06/11/2014 5:53:48 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The simple answer.

State vs Cong. Dist.


34 posted on 06/11/2014 5:54:05 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Viennacon

Another thing….Graham did a lot of behind the scenes stuff to prevent endorsements. This is a powerful powerful insider, and he “has ways” to make “offers people can’t refuse” - if you know what I mean.

There are 2-3-4 people you thought might challenge Graham, and who would endorse Bright - who didn’t. There’s a story behind all of them.

Cochran carries no such sway in Miss, and/or did not use it. Graham did immediately.


35 posted on 06/11/2014 5:55:05 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: cotton1706

How bad is the Democrat?


36 posted on 06/11/2014 5:55:10 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Yep,

How Lindsey Graham Stomped the Tea Party(Grahamnesty gloats and so are the libs) Jun 10 2014,

37 posted on 06/11/2014 5:55:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: dforest

The problem is sorting out the wheat egos from the chaff egos.

The various candidates are so narrow in their strong beliefs that they all run believing them selves to be the Conservative Messiah

Most of their differences are so narrow they don’t matter but the candidates will not accept that point.


38 posted on 06/11/2014 5:56:06 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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The exact quote from the article, "Turnout was up 38% over last year after calls went out from prominent Democrats...to vote against Cantor in the Republican race."

Their ultimate goal is to show how "crazy the Teahaddists are."

Article is from the NY Post.

39 posted on 06/11/2014 5:56:52 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Savage Beast

“How bad is the Democrat?”

His name is Brad Hutto. He’d probably be more conservative than Graham on some things, and on other he’d probably vote the party line.

Up to South Carolina.


40 posted on 06/11/2014 5:56:52 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: Bidimus1

Not only state v congressional district, but a state where a lot of the citizens do not pay attention, versus a congressional district where everyone is consumed by politics and government. Big big big diff. When Cantor strayed, everyone knew it because everyone follows that stuff, without Brat having to buy ads to tell people.

Graham strayed and strayed and strayed, and a lot of good ole boys in SC never realize it.


41 posted on 06/11/2014 5:57:16 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: cotton1706

no chance for Hutto. None.

Unless Graham is caught on tape with a young shemale…..


42 posted on 06/11/2014 5:57:57 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I totally agree...conservatives there should have known that...
A great opportunity wasted.


43 posted on 06/11/2014 5:58:31 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: ilovesarah2012

Exactly. 5 or 6 options split the support so graham easily won


44 posted on 06/11/2014 5:59:07 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: thefactor

That was not the factor. The NY Post comparison is flawed. Turnout had little to do with Dem cross overs. Cantors antics and the border mess Obama started ginned people up to turn out, as did Levin and Ingraham.

NYP analysis is foolish.


45 posted on 06/11/2014 5:59:20 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: dforest

Everybody keeps talking about how great states with runoffs are but it sure doesn’t seem to be bearing much fruit. Seems that these races with 6 or 7 candidates are just increasing the incumbent advantage.


46 posted on 06/11/2014 5:59:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: HamiltonJay

There was a 50% threshold, so having a big field was helpful in that regard.


47 posted on 06/11/2014 5:59:55 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: US Navy Vet
I heard that Jack Trammell, the Democrat running for Cantor's seat, urged Democrats to vote in the Republican primary for Brat.

That could explain the extreme divergence from the polls.

48 posted on 06/11/2014 6:00:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Quite true. An excess of primary challengers favors the incumbent.


49 posted on 06/11/2014 6:00:12 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Graham may be a better politician than Cochran (who at this point I’m sure is senile), but Graham did have two disadvantages Cochran did not which should have made him very vulnerable, especially to someone who had a solid voting record like Bright.

1) Graham was far less popular with the state GOP than Cochran was. He had been censured several times. Meanwhile, Cochran had Haley Barbour in full campaign mode and that man carries a lot of weight in Mississippi(no pun intended)

2) Graham was a much more hated and obvious target nationally. As bad as Cochran is, he’s a quiet backbencher, and Lindsey was target #1 going into primary season.

This being said, Bright did do well with the money he did have. Though I’ll say Det Bowers was a surprise, going from 1% in the polls to what he ended up with, 7%. Mace (who was obviously the most anticipated candidate going in) failed spectacularly throughout. Totally not ready for primetime.


50 posted on 06/11/2014 6:00:16 AM PDT by Viennacon
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