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Why the tea party should favor immigration
MarketWatch ^ | 6/11/14 | Diana Furchtgott-Roth

Posted on 06/11/2014 10:46:34 AM PDT by illiac

Opinion: Immigrants are productive and make us a richer nation

With House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s primary loss to tea party candidate David Brat, federal immigration reform looks dead. But the Tea Party should favor sensible immigration reform with border controls. It would result in additional economic growth, allowing the government to cut spending and lower taxes — key tea-party demands.

Immigrants increase gross domestic product growth. Immigration expands the American workforce and encourages more business startups. In 2013 the labor-force participation of foreign-born workers was higher than native-born workers (66.4% vs. 62.7%). Their unemployment rate was lower (6.9%, compared with 7.5% for native-born Americans). If people want to come and work, that adds to our economy.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; chamberofamnesty; chamberofcommerce; government; immigrants; massamnesty; mexico; uniparty
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BS!

Another Wall Street liberal trying to make an invalid case....

1 posted on 06/11/2014 10:46:34 AM PDT by illiac
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To: illiac

Chamber of Crony Capitalists now desperate! haha


2 posted on 06/11/2014 10:47:25 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: illiac

NTSA

No matter how they repackage it, it’s still s—t!


3 posted on 06/11/2014 10:47:25 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: illiac

Why the Tea Party shouldn’t take advice from anyone with a hyphenated name.


4 posted on 06/11/2014 10:47:30 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: illiac

The tea party does favor legal immigration. :)


5 posted on 06/11/2014 10:48:44 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Viennacon

They should specify, legal immigrants are a good thing.

Illegals are killing us.


6 posted on 06/11/2014 10:48:56 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: illiac
The Titanic is sinking and everybody's running around screaming about the stowaways on board.

The Tea Party and every right-thinking American needs to get focused on the BIG problem: the "silent" coup d'etat of our free constitutional republic by the unconstitutional $4 trillion federal government and the usurpation of the Constitution by the dangerous and traitorous power gathering dictatorship of Barak Obama.

Why is no one talking about this? Is it because no one ELSE is talking about it? Or is because the Left still subtly controls the "talking points" because they run most of the news broadcasts and newspapers?

Who on the Right is going to QUIT PLAYING POLITICAL RING AROUND THE ROSY and start talking about the ONE THING the Left doesn't want to hear talked about: the salvation of America by cutting government by 80% (=$800 billion, still too big but it's a start) and taking down the would be dictator in the White House.

7 posted on 06/11/2014 10:49:38 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: DonaldC
BUT NOT UNTIL IT IS ENFORCED FROM THE PAST FORWARD !

Favoring legal immigration is fine, but we're way beyond THAT conversation until we deal with the ones here illegally.

Close the borders until it's fixed and people have been dealt with ... THEN ... at OUR pace ... we let you in.

8 posted on 06/11/2014 10:51:03 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: illiac

We favor legal immigration. We are against illegal immigration and rewarding those who break our laws.


9 posted on 06/11/2014 10:51:12 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: illiac

LEGAL immigration is fine.
ILLEGALS swarming across the border are not!
Oh, and SCREEN FOR DISEASES YOU MORONS!


10 posted on 06/11/2014 10:51:17 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: illiac

11 posted on 06/11/2014 10:51:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: illiac
In 2013 the labor-force participation of foreign-born workers was higher than native-born workers (66.4% vs. 62.7%). Their unemployment rate was lower (6.9%, compared with 7.5% for native-born Americans).

Neither statistic is particularly surprising considering that they work cheaper and more often than not consume government subsidies to fill the wage gap which their employers doesn't pay.

If we imported third worlders from Bangladesh rather than Latin America, big business could pay them even less.

12 posted on 06/11/2014 10:51:42 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: illiac
But the Tea Party should favor sensible immigration reform with border controls.

We always get one without the other.

13 posted on 06/11/2014 10:52:01 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: illiac

Their case seems to be that destroying the rule of law creates economic growth. What is the empirical proof that that is the case?


14 posted on 06/11/2014 10:52:24 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: illiac

We have had over 29 Million new legal immigrants since 1980. That is plenty. No other country in the world does/will do that. Throw in illegal aliens, and women into the workforce, and you see why wages are down and income for many.


15 posted on 06/11/2014 10:52:35 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: illiac
Uh-oh, the word "sensible" popped up. That usually means the author is trying to avoid serious analysis.

If the author is determined to continue to blur the distinction between legal, controlled immigration and a wave of humanity surging over the southern border, then we really don't have enough common ground to continue the discussion.

16 posted on 06/11/2014 10:53:02 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: illiac

I’m all for legal immigration. And, truth be told, if we eliminate all the government direct handouts to citizens in general, I’d be all for increasing the number of legal immigrants.

Frankly, the whole immigration, economy, entitlements rats ness of problems is like a tangled christmas tree light rats nest with ten billion lights.

That is, nobody is going to solve it. No human. It’s just gonna get uglier and uglier until it comes to total collapse and war. It’s not a matter of if. It’s amatter of when. And it is looking like we are very close.


17 posted on 06/11/2014 10:53:06 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: DonaldC

Exactly! It’s these lawless invaders that everyone is against. These politicians never do anything to curtail it. The border is not secure and big mouthed BO has made it worse with his amnesty crap.


18 posted on 06/11/2014 10:53:26 AM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: illiac

Cheap labor for Big Business Republicans= Dependent voters for tBig Government Democrats


19 posted on 06/11/2014 10:53:35 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: DoughtyOne
Call it what you will, it is what it is.
20 posted on 06/11/2014 10:53:38 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: illiac

We can have open borders or we can have a social welfare state but not both; the cost would be prohibitive.


21 posted on 06/11/2014 10:53:45 AM PDT by thejokker
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To: illiac
......should favor sensible immigration reform with border controls....

You see sweetheart, most of us peons in flyover country have figured out that "border controls" is Washingtonspeak for empty promises.
22 posted on 06/11/2014 10:54:40 AM PDT by slumber1 (Moderation is overrated)
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To: illiac

I’m the child of immigrants who worked, learned the language and were proud to be American citizens.

The current tsunami over our border is of people who want the benefits of America and none of the responsibilties.


23 posted on 06/11/2014 10:54:47 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Kenny

Exactly. If we need X immigrants from Mexico like all these people say, then increase the legal quota to X. Easy peasy.

Meanwhile, we can select who comes in and make sure it is upstanding Mexican citizens who are here to contribute.

But illegal immigration—aw no. That needs to stop.


24 posted on 06/11/2014 10:54:48 AM PDT by Claud
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To: illiac

This isn’t immigration, it is an invasion.


25 posted on 06/11/2014 10:56:06 AM PDT by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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To: illiac

Opinion: Immigrants are productive and make us a richer nation

I only got that far.


26 posted on 06/11/2014 10:57:41 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: illiac

lying sack of donkey turds. This lie is so easily disproved. They make who wealthy excpet the businesses that hire them? Do we only measure that efect? Not what they steal from society? Not by the jobs they cost citizens?


27 posted on 06/11/2014 10:58:24 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Darksheare

Controlled legal immigration, managed for the sole purpose of benefiting American citizens, is fine.


28 posted on 06/11/2014 10:58:31 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: illiac

” But the Tea Party should favor sensible immigration reform with border controls.”

There are no border controls it is all a charade. What we didn was lower your taxes and now you can just stab us in the back out of your own greed. Screw you.


29 posted on 06/11/2014 10:58:33 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: illiac
"In 2013 the labor-force participation of foreign-born workers was higher than native-born workers (66.4% vs. 62.7%)."

Maybe if there were fewer immigrants, legal or illegal, the native-born participation rate would be higher? Just maybe?
30 posted on 06/11/2014 10:58:42 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: illiac

Just like the Chamber of Commerce, cheap labor. Never mind the consequences down the road.


31 posted on 06/11/2014 11:00:19 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: illiac

“Opinion: Immigrants are productive and make us a richer nation “

Oh yeah! That’s why immigrant drenched California went from Reagan Country to the Paradise that it is today! /s


32 posted on 06/11/2014 11:00:49 AM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: illiac

I work for a financial company and you have no idea how much it aggrivates and frustrates me to read this mindless progressive drivel from MarketWatch everyday! The publication apparently has no idea that it’s readership base is largely made up of conservative Republicans.


33 posted on 06/11/2014 11:00:57 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: ViLaLuz

That’s right, we are a nation of immigrants. Immigration is lawful; sneaking across our border is illegal, making those who snuck across our border—illegal aliens, not immigrants.

If we keep repeating these stubborn facts to lefty retards (particularly journos), someday they might understand the difference or stop pretending to not see them.

As we’re seeing now with this recent flood of young illegals, what do you get when you reward—or fail to punish—bad behavior?
That’s right: You get more bad behavior ... and more Obama.


34 posted on 06/11/2014 11:01:42 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: illiac

“Diana Furchtgott-Roth”

I never would’ve expected this from a woman with a dashifinated name.

/s


35 posted on 06/11/2014 11:02:03 AM PDT by moovova
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To: illiac

TEA Partiers aren’t opposed to an orderly, quota-guided, secure system of immigration.

But ANYONE — Liberals as well as Americans — should oppose the border mess that’s occurring now.


36 posted on 06/11/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: illiac
How long are they gonna try to sell these lies?

What this writer asserts has not been true since 1965, when we stopped screening immigrants for what they had to offer the US.

37 posted on 06/11/2014 11:03:57 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: illiac

1. Female Liberal.
2. Hyphenated name.
3. Deals in deep Bravo Sierra.

That’s three strikes.

RAUS!


38 posted on 06/11/2014 11:05:45 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: illiac
"But the Tea Party should favor 'sensible immigration reform with border controls.'"

We DID, it was in the 1987 Simpson/Massoli Bill, signed by Pres. Ronald Reagan! It was supposed to grant Amnesty to 1.5M illegal aliens, instead was more than 3M (notice 3 X the amount claimed wound up being many, many more than liberals claim - they LIE) but also claimed to stop further invasion by illegal aliens, i.e. closing our borders, punishing employers for hiring illegal aliens, and other provisions. !

We do NOT need another Simpson/Massoli, just enforcement of those provisions should take care of everything!!

39 posted on 06/11/2014 11:06:23 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: illiac

I have no problem with immigration.
I would allow a limited number of those who share our values and will contribute to our society to immigrate.
And I would change the law to favor those who share our values and are likely to contribute.

I do have a problem with law-breakers and with those who coddle law-breakers.

I do have a problem with mass invasions of those who would pillage our citizens, defy our laws, despise our values, and oppress those who built this nation.

I am obviously a racist.


40 posted on 06/11/2014 11:07:21 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Darksheare; Travis McGee; wardaddy; Kenny Bunk

“LEGAL immigration is fine.”

Don’t kid yourself.

The 1965 immigration “reform” radically transformed who is coming to America. Immigrants no longer reflected the ancestry of the American people.

Legal chain immigration from the third world is one of the engines that has turned America into the ethnic-pandering soft, socialistic society that it is today.


41 posted on 06/11/2014 11:07:31 AM PDT by Pelham (If you do not deport it is amnesty by default.)
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To: ViLaLuz

What is happening it Texas and AZ with those children is:

#child endangerment
#human trafficking
#child abuse
#criminal child neglect due to lack of water and food.

Who should be charged? Obama, Kerry, and Homeland Security. HS went to Nicauragua, El Salvador, and Honduras and lied to those parents to get their teens here.

There are no jobs for Americans so how do they expect to support these kids, they don’t. The use of Food Stamps and US taxpayer dollars. These kids are susceptable to prostitution due to pimps, and gang activity, drug cartel capture, and exploition by pedophiles.

Every person involved should be put convicted and put in prison for the above listed crimes. What HS did not tell them is that our VISA process can push those kids when they are 21 yrs of age to the back of the line for legal status and possibly deport them, and their parents won’t qualify under their being here.

All the Demorats want is the vote at age 18 in 2016...take a look at the age groups...very very little ones vs the 15-16 age group who can vote in Nov 2016...and in 2010...then at age 21 the Dems won’t need them anymore.


42 posted on 06/11/2014 11:08:21 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: wiggen

those who consume their services benefit. for example, my honduran housekeeper has a BF from el salvador who’s willing to shovel my two-car driveway for 15 bucks...better value than doing it myself and throwing out my back


43 posted on 06/11/2014 11:08:28 AM PDT by ghost of stonewall jackson (An amateur built the Ark; professionals built the Titanic)
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To: illiac

“Immigrants are productive and make us a richer nation “

Except that every major study ways that illegal aliens are a net cost to the federal government to the tune of $60 billion a year. And that isn’t counting the states’ costs of many billions more.


44 posted on 06/11/2014 11:09:44 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Kackikat

error correction for years 2016 & 2020 not 2010.


45 posted on 06/11/2014 11:10:23 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: illiac

This is satire, right?


46 posted on 06/11/2014 11:11:44 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: DoughtyOne


Liberal utopia.
47 posted on 06/11/2014 11:11:54 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: illiac

We have just had the two highest decades of legal immigration in our history with over 26 million legal permanent immigrants entering during the period 1990 to 2010. In 1970 one in 21 in the U.S. was foreign-born; today, it is one in 8, the highest in over 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history. In 1970 we had 9.7 million foreign-born and by 2010 that number had quadrupled to 40 million. We bring in 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year—more than the rest of the world combined. 44 percent of the adult legal immigrant heads of household and 78 percent of the illegal aliens (51 percent have no high school diploma) have a high school diploma or less. We are importing hundreds of thousands of unskilled and uneducated workers annually who will compete for jobs with the 40 percent of native-born adults who have a high school diploma or less. The results have been devastating.

In the fourth quarter of 2013, the standard unemployment rate (referred to as U-3) for native-born adults (age 18-65) who have not completed high school was 16.6 percent, while for those with only a high school education it was 8.5 percent. The broader U-6 measure of unemployment — which includes those who want to work, but have not looked recently, and those forced to work part-time — was 28.7 percent for native-born adults who have not completed high school and 16.5 percent for those with only a high school education. Minorities have fared even worse.

The U-6 rate for native-born African-Americans without a high school diploma was 40.4 percent and 27.5 percent for those with only a high school diploma. For native-born Hispanic-Americans the U-6 rate for those without a high school diploma was 30.8 percent and 20.9 percent for those with a high school diploma. In a letter from three members of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, they state that an amnesty will “likely disproportionately harm lower-skilled African-Americans by making it more difficult for them to obtain employment and depressing their wages when they do obtain employment.”

In the fourth quarter of 2013, there were only two working-age natives holding a job for every one that was not employed. This represents a huge deterioration. As recently as 2000, there were three working-age adults holding a job for every one not working. 24.8 percent of all children of the native-born working poor live in households headed by a high school dropout.

There are currently 61.1 million American men in their prime working years, age 25–54. An amazing one in 8 such men are not in the labor force at all, meaning they are neither working nor looking for work. This is an all-time high dating back to when records were first kept in 1955. An additional 2.9 million men are in the labor force but not employed (i.e., they are looking for jobs). That means a total of 10.2 million men aged 25-54 – or one out of every 6 men in his prime working years – are not holding jobs in the U.S. economy today. During the decade ending 2010, the largest in our history with 13.9 million legal permanent immigrants entering the country, we had a net loss of 400,000 jobs during that same period. There is no correlation between our job needs and immigration.

Data from 2011 show that an astonishing 57 percent of immigrant households with children accessed at least one major welfare program — particularly the non-cash programs such as food stamps and Medicaid. In 2010, 23 percent of immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) lived in poverty, compared to 13.5 percent of natives and their children. Immigrants and their children accounted for one-fourth of all persons in poverty. 29 percent of immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) lacked health insurance, compared to 13.8 percent of natives and their children. New immigrants and their U.S.-born children account for two-thirds of the increase in the uninsured since 2000. There are 10.4 million students from immigrant households in public schools, accounting for one in 5 public school students. Of these students, 78 percent speak a language other than English at home. Overall, one in 4 public school students now speaks a language other than English at home. Milton Friedman said, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” We have both.


48 posted on 06/11/2014 11:12:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson

because you’d rather see an american out of work. Write another cheeck to Rand.


49 posted on 06/11/2014 11:13:19 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: ghost of stonewall jackson
those who consume their services benefit. for example, my Honduran housekeeper has a BF from el salvador who’s willing to shovel my two-car driveway for 15 bucks...better value than doing it myself and throwing out my back

Your Salvadoran chappie might well throw his back out, be treated at your hospital for free, raising your insurance premiums and taxes ... a lot more than your $15.

PS
Either get in shape or buy a snow blower.

OBTW, is the Honduran legal? Is the Salvadoran BF legal?

50 posted on 06/11/2014 11:16:16 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( A disbarred gay Muslim lawyer from Kenya as POTUS? Sure! What could go wrong?)
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