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Scientists condemn 'crazy, dangerous' creation of deadly airborne flu virus
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/11/crazy-dangerous-creation-deadly-airborne-flu-virus ^

Posted on 06/11/2014 10:55:30 AM PDT by chessplayer

Scientists have created a life-threatening virus that closely resembles the 1918 Spanish flu strain that killed an estimated 50m people in an experiment labelled as "crazy" by opponents.

Scientists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison used a technique called reverse genetics to build the virus from fragments of wild bird flu strains. They then mutated the virus to make it airborne to spread more easily from one animal to another.

"The work they are doing is absolutely crazy. The whole thing is exceedingly dangerous," said Lord May, the former President of the Royal Society and one time chief science adviser to the UK government. "Yes, there is a danger, but it's not arising form the viruses out there in the animals, it's arising from the labs of grossly ambitious people."

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1 posted on 06/11/2014 10:55:30 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

This is SCAREY!

I scare know what else to say.


2 posted on 06/11/2014 10:56:49 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: chessplayer

Like the effort to generate black holes,
this WILL eventually succeed.


3 posted on 06/11/2014 10:58:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: chessplayer

Like the effort to generate black holes,
this WILL eventually succeed.


4 posted on 06/11/2014 10:58:19 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: chessplayer
An erector set for viruses!

Wheeeee!!!

5 posted on 06/11/2014 10:58:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: chessplayer

Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.


6 posted on 06/11/2014 11:00:55 AM PDT by bgill
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To: chessplayer

See what happens when “science” becomes a religion after stripping out true morality and ethics?

The douchebag hipsters love to scream “I f’ing love science”. Well here is some science that you can die for.


7 posted on 06/11/2014 11:01:25 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: chessplayer

If a terrorist organization sets its mind to obtaining it, especially since they now, thanks to Obama have hundreds of millions of dollars, they will get it.

The only safe place to conduct this experiment is on the moon.


8 posted on 06/11/2014 11:02:16 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: chessplayer

Sounds like the start of a very scary movie.


9 posted on 06/11/2014 11:04:17 AM PDT by AU72
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To: chessplayer

Sounds like the plot to a horror flick.


10 posted on 06/11/2014 11:05:38 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

What’s scary? That they just announced it? What makes you think every major military power hasn’t already secretly done this?


11 posted on 06/11/2014 11:08:50 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: chessplayer

12 posted on 06/11/2014 11:10:05 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: chessplayer

13 posted on 06/11/2014 11:11:21 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: chessplayer

What could possibly go wrong? /sarcasm


14 posted on 06/11/2014 11:11:34 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Diogenesis

The article reads like the start of a horror movie.
Or the 1970s TV show “Survivors”.
The 2010s version was the same concept but way too anti-corporation and big business conspiracy.


15 posted on 06/11/2014 11:11:58 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: henkster

I haven;t a clue as to what anyone else may have done.

The possibility that ANYONE would be so foolish as to create such a pandora’s box never occured to me


16 posted on 06/11/2014 11:12:51 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: chessplayer
This started awhile back when scientists exhumed the body of an Inuit female victim of the 1918 plague where because of her fat cells, permafrost, the fragile virus was remarkably preserved.

This article was in 2007. Why wasn't more of an alarm raised then?

Scientists Describe How 1918 Influenza Virus Sample Was Exhumed In Alaska

17 posted on 06/11/2014 11:14:30 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: chessplayer

The laboratory should be sterilized and the scientists executed.


18 posted on 06/11/2014 11:15:06 AM PDT by captain_dave
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To: DannyTN
"That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human f##kery." - Larry Underwood, The Stand.
19 posted on 06/11/2014 11:16:04 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: chessplayer

I worked for a while 10 years back with a PhD bio-chemist. She told us she could whip up something like this in her garage for under $10k. The only really limiting factor is knowledge, not money or equipment, as in chemical or atomic WMDs.

I assume the tech has only gotten easier to use and the knowledge of how to use it more widely spread in the time since.


20 posted on 06/11/2014 11:16:04 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: chessplayer

The goal of the environmentalists is to reduce the human population of the earth by 90-95%.


21 posted on 06/11/2014 11:20:12 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: AU72
China is busy working on an H5N9 superflu, reportedly with a 96.4% mortality rate.

We are so screwed.

22 posted on 06/11/2014 11:22:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: AU72

“The Hot Zone” (true story)

“The Ebola virus kills nine out of ten of its victims so quickly and gruesomely that even biohazard experts are terrified. It is airborne, it is extremely contagious, and in the winter of 1989, it seemed about to burn through the suburbs of Washington D.C.”

“At Fort Detrick’s USAMRIID, an Army research facility outside the nation’s capital, a SWAT team of soldiers and scientists wearing biohazard space suits was organized to stop the outbreak of the exotic “hot” virus. The grim operation went on in secret for eighteen days, under unprecedented, dangerous conditions.”

“The Hot Zone tells this dramatic story in depth, giving a hair-raising account of the appearance of rare and lethal viruses and their outbreaks in the human race. From a remote African cave hot with Ebola virus, to an airplane over Africa that is carrying a sick passenger who dissolves into a human virus bomb, to the confines of a Biosafety Level 4 military lab where scientists risk their lives studying lethal substances that could kill them quickly and horribly, The Hot Zone describes situations that a few years ago would have been taken for science fiction. As the tropical wildernesses of the world are destroyed, previously unknown viruses that have lived undetected in the rain forest for eons are entering human populations. The appearance of AIDS is part of a larger pattern, and the implications for the future of the human species are terrifying.”

“The first chapter of The Hot Zone is one of the most horrifying things I’ve read in my whole life–and then it gets worse. That’s what I keep marveling over: it keeps getting worse.”
–Stephen King

http://richardpreston.net/preston-books/hot-zone

And we play with these damn things in labs to make them even more lethal.


23 posted on 06/11/2014 11:26:36 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Kartographer

“That wasn’t any act of God. That was an act of pure human f##kery.” - Larry Underwood, The Stand.


Exactly.


24 posted on 06/11/2014 11:30:36 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

I usually disagree with the Guardian.

Not this time.


25 posted on 06/11/2014 11:33:34 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: null and void

Not so nutty Ping.


26 posted on 06/11/2014 11:35:23 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. ........dot removal in progress.......)
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To: chessplayer

Well this sure as heck is one sign that the Uni is getting way too much funding.


27 posted on 06/11/2014 11:35:39 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: captain_dave

“It is not far-fetched to imagine some possible technology such that, first, virtually all sufficiently advanced civilizations eventually discover it, and second, its discovery leads almost universally to existential disaster.”

http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=1848

About why there may be no ET’s exploring the galaxy in spaceships. They may have destroyed themselves, accidentally or otherwise, before they could.


28 posted on 06/11/2014 11:39:48 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Didn’t these people learn ANYTHING from Michael Crichton’s novels???


29 posted on 06/11/2014 11:40:47 AM PDT by alphadoggie
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To: chessplayer
Contagion, a fictional movie about this that is scary realistic.

Don't worry, Gwyneth Paltrow's character gets killed off early :)

30 posted on 06/11/2014 11:41:15 AM PDT by upchuck (... honesty is the never-ending rehearsal for those who want to be the friends of God...)
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To: Diogenesis

Like the effort to generate black holes,
this WILL eventually succeed.


Yup. Trying to create black holes in labs. Just before the Trinity nook test, the scientists weren’t 100% certain it wouldn’t ignite the atmosphere and destroy the entire planet. But the went ahead with it anyway.


31 posted on 06/11/2014 11:43:22 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer
How many foreign student visas are issued ? ...and lost track of once here?

It wasn't long ago that a group of adult Muhammedan students of biological science were caught at a northeast reservoir in the middle of the night.

32 posted on 06/11/2014 11:45:23 AM PDT by wtd
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To: chessplayer

Anyone remember the fact that the socialists in our country (Aliskyites, Weather Underground, et al) want 20-25 million fewer of us? I think that was back in the 1970s... with inflation, I’m sure the number is higher now...


33 posted on 06/11/2014 11:45:37 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: chessplayer
No need for a virus to wipe out mankind, we have Obama.


34 posted on 06/11/2014 11:52:21 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: pgyanke

And it could be that scientists are doing it simply because they can.


35 posted on 06/11/2014 11:53:54 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: henkster
What’s scary? That they just announced it? What makes you think every major military power hasn’t already secretly done this?

It's one thing when a military has the capability.

It's a whole different story when we start thinking about the ramifications of a mentally-disturbed university PhD student potentially having the ability to create something that might kill millions if released.

Or a small group of Muslim students who suddenly decide to go jihadi.

36 posted on 06/11/2014 12:02:06 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: wtd

And how many carriers could be in the latest wave of young illegal aliens who are now confined in close quarters and infecting the CBP agents?


37 posted on 06/11/2014 12:03:48 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: VanDeKoik
I more and more think horrific divine punishment is inevitable, in that it will be something He permits us to devise and plunge ourselves into.

Our doom consists in our getting what we damn well insisted on.

38 posted on 06/11/2014 12:04:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (lHe comes to judge the living and the dead, and the world by fire.)
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To: chessplayer
As the tropical wildernesses of the world are destroyed, previously unknown viruses that have lived undetected in the rain forest for eons are entering human populations.

The lesson here is ... what? That the tropical wildernesses of the world should be destroyed even more rapidly to eliminate the biological reservoirs of ultra nasty diseases?

39 posted on 06/11/2014 12:10:06 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: PapaBear3625

Or they could fly planes into buildings and thereby goad our government into building a police state that deprives us of our rights.

Or they could place containers of nerve gas disguised as oxy-acetlyne tanks in the New York subway system and open them up during the morning rush hour.

Or they could burn billions of tons of coal and increase the temperature of the earth.

Or they could even flouridate our water supply and pollute our precious bodily fluids.

I grew up with the perpetual threat of a rain of Soviet thermonuclear weapons falling from the sky without warning. My brothers and I even guessed how many megatons they had targeted for our home city.

Concerned? Sure. This merits watching. But some boogeymen are real and some are made up. Either way, I was done with being scared a long time ago.


40 posted on 06/11/2014 12:13:25 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: AU72
It is:


41 posted on 06/11/2014 12:35:23 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: chessplayer

These bastards are crazy developing that virus.Have they even thought what would happen if that virus somehow managed to get out of the laboratory?

The lives of millions of people are or should I say were in their hand.


42 posted on 06/11/2014 1:06:46 PM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: chessplayer

43 posted on 06/11/2014 2:28:15 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: Bobalu

I hope these “scientists” weren’t trained by the “scientists” in Brazil who created (and released) killer bees.


44 posted on 06/11/2014 2:56:03 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

ping


45 posted on 06/11/2014 3:28:22 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping...


46 posted on 06/11/2014 7:02:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the ping!


47 posted on 06/11/2014 7:32:52 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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48 posted on 06/11/2014 7:59:06 PM PDT by LucyT (If you're not paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping!


49 posted on 06/11/2014 8:22:16 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Smokin' Joe; LucyT

Thanks for the pigs.

Truth is stranger (and scarier) than fiction.


50 posted on 06/11/2014 8:29:07 PM PDT by azishot
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