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Iraqi Drama Catches U.S. Off Guard (Senior U.S. Off.: Makes you want to kill yourself)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Thursday, June 12, 2014 | Adam Entous and Julian E. Barnes

Posted on 06/12/2014 6:30:34 AM PDT by kristinn

At a closed-door gathering of Gulf states in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, in May, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and his Arab counterparts all signaled agreement on one thing for the first time: Islamist forces seizing territory in Syria and Iraq had become a regionwide menace that can't be ignored.

What they didn't agree on was what to do about it, U.S. officials said.The fall this week of the Iraqi cities Mosul and Tikrit to the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham rebel group shows how the insurgent threat is outpacing the response and posing a challenge to President Barack Obama's approach of limiting U.S. involvement in foreign conflicts.

The quickly unfolding drama prompted a White House meeting Wednesday of top policy makers and military leaders who were caught off guard by the swift collapse of Iraqi security forces, officials acknowledged.

State Department and Pentagon officials have long warned about ISIS's desire to create an Islamic state based in the Sunni-dominated parts of Iraq and Syria.

Now, current and former officials say Washington's options for helping the Iraqi army fight back are limited—both because the threat in Iraq is so entrenched and because the U.S. hasn't invested in building up moderate allies on the Syrian side of the border.

SNIP

Some military officials now believe ISIS is the single greatest terrorist threat the U.S. and its allies face—stronger than the al Qaeda affiliates in Yemen or Africa and far more powerful than al Qaeda's central leadership in Pakistan. Other senior U.S. officials say ISIS has yet to carry out any attacks directly targeting the U.S.

"It makes you want to kill yourself," a senior U.S. official said of the intelligence on ISIS, which was presented by U.S. and Gulf allies during the May meeting in Jeddah.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; bho44; bhogwot; bhosecdef; iraq; iraqmeltdown; isil; isis; leadingfrombehind; mosul; obama; secdefhagel
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1 posted on 06/12/2014 6:30:34 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

The first Obama heard of this was in the newspapers.


2 posted on 06/12/2014 6:32:17 AM PDT by skams19
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To: kristinn

This is what happens when you have children who hate America in charge.

The primary goal of Team BO has been to surrender power abroad and to infiltrate the military with open homosexuals and trannies. THAT is the priority for the Clown.


3 posted on 06/12/2014 6:35:59 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: kristinn
~~~Some military officials now believe ISIS is the single greatest terrorist threat the U.S. and its allies face~~~


4 posted on 06/12/2014 6:39:40 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: kristinn
This is Obama just 6 months ago on ISIS:

“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,” Obama told Remnick.

"I think there is a distinction between the capacity and reach of a bin Laden and a network that is actively planning major terrorist plots against the homeland versus jihadists who are engaged in various local power struggles and disputes, often sectarian.”

5 posted on 06/12/2014 6:42:30 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: kristinn
Now, current and former officials say Washington's options for helping the Iraqi army fight back are limited—both because the threat in Iraq is so entrenched and because the U.S. hasn't invested in building up moderate allies on the Syrian side of the border.

This is more of the same BS about moderate Syrian rebels.

6 posted on 06/12/2014 6:43:18 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Corporate Democrat

I just can’t wait for our most effective Secretary of State, skerry, to give his excellent advice.


7 posted on 06/12/2014 6:44:10 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: kristinn
The quickly unfolding drama prompted a White House meeting Wednesday of top policy makers and military leaders who were caught off guard by the swift collapse of Iraqi security forces, officials acknowledged.

After having been told it would happen for a decade.

8 posted on 06/12/2014 6:45:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: kristinn

Heckuva job CIA and NSA.


9 posted on 06/12/2014 6:45:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kristinn

You know what.... Let the middle east just kill each other. They will never, ever stop. Tell them that they are on their own and if they decide to attack Israel or the U.S. well nuke them off the planet. And mean it.


10 posted on 06/12/2014 6:45:43 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: kristinn

Question:

How many men do we have left in Iraq? Are they all in Baghdad?


11 posted on 06/12/2014 6:46:07 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: kristinn
Sorry, but the vast majority of Americans outside this board don't give a crap. Too busy chasing the good life and the free handouts, don't ya know.

We're nothing but a celebrity worship culture now, chasing the lifestyle of the worst dregs to ever disgrace our shores. Let the goat pluggers run rampant in the Middle East, who cares? If it starts to affect ME, then I'll start to cry about it until someone else does something about it.

12 posted on 06/12/2014 6:46:21 AM PDT by Redplum
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To: Carry_Okie

I said the first day we rolled into Iraq, that we had to be there for at least 20 years, or else it would quickly crumble.

In hindsight, it was better to leave Saddam in charge.


13 posted on 06/12/2014 6:46:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kristinn

This is ISIS....

Repent or die.

https://twitter.com/RaquelEvita/status/477082270160154624/photo/1


14 posted on 06/12/2014 6:46:46 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: kristinn

Then why in the world are we spending such big bucks for our intelligence organizations?

It starts at the top. Our dumbass President couldn’t be bothered with daily intelligence briefings. He had more important things to do like raise money for the Democrat Party.


15 posted on 06/12/2014 6:46:55 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: kristinn
Some military officials now believe ISIS is the single greatest terrorist threat the U.S. and its allies face

Is the ISIS getting arms and supplies headed for Uncle Scam's Al Qaeda allies in Syria?

16 posted on 06/12/2014 6:47:22 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Most Americans refuse to see that everything Obama does is purposely designed to bring down this country. Yet NOTHING could be more obvious.

People are in denial. Perhaps its because they just can't handle the truth or simply don't care. Whatever, that fundamental truth is...

If its bad for America, Obama is for it.

18 posted on 06/12/2014 6:47:58 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: kristinn

Nero played his fiddle,Obama plays golf!


19 posted on 06/12/2014 6:48:27 AM PDT by El Zoro
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To: winoneforthegipper
I thought this was Isis

Where's Shazam?

20 posted on 06/12/2014 6:50:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SoFloFreeper

Prediction: The formerly great US military will be dragged, nilly-willy, into this conflict, and will be mired much worse than ever happened in Viet Nam. With even less capability and freedom of the commanders on the ground to move in positive manner to protect themselves and strategically engage the enemy, it will turn into a rout that would make Napoleon’s Retreat look orderly and disciplined.

If people thought Iraq and Afghanistan were meat grinders that just chewed up American youth, they shall nave no standard of comparison.

Play to lose. Yeah, THAT’S the ticket.

England in 1940 was not more beleaguered. But then, England had the grand leadership of Winston Churchill.

And who do we have? Even Neville Chamberlain was not so bewildered and astonished by the turn of events, as the Current Occupant must surely be.

Unfortunately, the form of government here in the US does not allow for a “vote of no confidence”, as it could be done in Great Britain.


21 posted on 06/12/2014 6:51:25 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: blueunicorn6
Then why in the world are we spending such big bucks for our intelligence organizations?
Well it's not cheap keeping surveiling 300 million potential domestic terrorists.
22 posted on 06/12/2014 6:51:43 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: kristinn

How convenient......just about ten days ago, Obama released five top terrorist “generals” back into what is now becoming an erupting Middle East. Not a coincidence .


23 posted on 06/12/2014 6:53:27 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: kristinn

Which side does mcain and grahmnesty want to help this time.......


24 posted on 06/12/2014 6:55:46 AM PDT by JParris
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To: Corporate Democrat

“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,” Obama told Remnick.

That is pretty funny. It could easily read

“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a community organizer team puts on commander in chief uniforms that doesn’t make them FDR and/or Ronald Reagan ”


25 posted on 06/12/2014 6:55:58 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: kristinn

The people that voted for the treasonous Obama should be wanting to kill themselves. Maybe they won’t have to.

The enemy will now do that for them.


26 posted on 06/12/2014 6:56:35 AM PDT by dforest
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To: kristinn

Ivy League idiots. I predicted this exact scenario here on FR 6, 5 and 4 years ago and I went to a state college and got an engineering degree.


27 posted on 06/12/2014 6:59:36 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: kristinn

.... Good thing our Southern Border is now literally wide open for anybody to enter into the US.


28 posted on 06/12/2014 6:59:58 AM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: kristinn

Well the Dear Leader had a graduation and fund raiser to do in Mass yesterday so he’s probably sleeping in this morning.


29 posted on 06/12/2014 7:06:56 AM PDT by AU72
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To: kristinn

“Iraqi Drama Catches U.S. Off Guard (Senior U.S. Off.: Makes you want to kill yourself)”

When the NSA, CIA and whatever other alphabet intel agencies focus collecting intel on Americans and our allies, we get “surprises” like this all the time in the middle east, the Ukraine, Africa and places we don’t even know about.


30 posted on 06/12/2014 7:07:11 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: kristinn

WTI Crude 105.82


31 posted on 06/12/2014 7:09:04 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: skams19

Yeah. He heard of it some years ago when he created it with Morsi


32 posted on 06/12/2014 7:09:24 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: kristinn
.... Dear Mr. President: Please step down for the good of the world. Let the grown ups take it from here. You can take care of the Gay Rights and Amnesty for Illegals as well as other very important earth shattering pressing issues that community organizer activists are comfortable with from a rented office with phone banks fit for an activist.

.... PLEASE Let the professional leaders handle the National Security and important International concerns. It's been 3 am in the morning for the past 5 years and nobody has answered the phone in an intelligent manner. Trust us .... the phone that is ringing is not because of a prank call.

33 posted on 06/12/2014 7:09:53 AM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: mad_as_he$$

“Ivy League idiots. I predicted this exact scenario here on FR 6, 5 and 4 years ago and I went to a state college and got an engineering degree.”

Hey! That’s not fair, you got a degree in reality and real world uses versus a good old boy pat on the back degree in bs.


34 posted on 06/12/2014 7:12:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo will not divert resources from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: kristinn
"It makes you want to kill yourself," a senior U.S. official said ..

If only.

35 posted on 06/12/2014 7:16:54 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Corporate Democrat

And the Obama Administration is the Pee Wee League.


36 posted on 06/12/2014 7:20:23 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: kristinn

The greatest intelligence failure since 9/11; the greatest foreign policy failure since the fall of Saigon.

It’s Barry’s world, we just get to live in it.


37 posted on 06/12/2014 7:21:01 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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Are we about to see a replay of Saigon? Tehran? Benghazi? Now stir in a truckload of manpads.

All brought to you by the perfidy of the domestic left.

38 posted on 06/12/2014 7:25:08 AM PDT by kitchen (Even the walls have ears.)
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To: dfwgator
“I said the first day we rolled into Iraq, that we had to be there for at least 20 years, or else it would quickly crumble.

In hindsight, it was better to leave Saddam in charge.”

Correction:

I said the first day we rolled into Iraq, that we had to be there for at least 70 years, or else it would quickly crumble.

In hindsight, it was better to leave Saddam in charge.

To get Democracy to flourish in that place we would have had to outright run it for 20 years, and allowed another 50 years for at least two generations to be born under Democracy before it would have had a chance. And nobody wanted to do that - hence not much of a reason to go there in the first place. Neutering Saddam made more sense, and we were pretty close to that at the time of the invasion.

I believe the administration had some naive idea that if we got rid of Saddam, the UN and the rest of the world would finish the job. Unfortunately finishing the job still involved hard work, so expecting the UN to do it was crazy.

39 posted on 06/12/2014 7:25:23 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name (\w)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Bush launched a War on Terror. Obama launched an appeasement campaign. How’s that working out?


40 posted on 06/12/2014 7:25:59 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If Obama hated America and wanted to destroy her, what would he do differently?)
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To: baddog 219

“You know what.... Let the middle east just kill each other. They will never, ever stop. Tell them that they are on their own and if they decide to attack Israel or the U.S. well nuke them off the planet. And mean it.”

Maybe it’s time for the countries over there like the Saudis to get their hands dirty for once and start policing their own neighborhood.


41 posted on 06/12/2014 7:26:48 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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It makes you want to kill yourself.

Ping to Mullah Baraq: take the hint

42 posted on 06/12/2014 7:28:04 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Can Juan Williams possibly be that stupid?)
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To: kristinn

Embrace le suck.


43 posted on 06/12/2014 7:30:08 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: baddog 219
You know what.... Let the middle east just kill each other. They will never, ever stop. Tell them that they are on their own and if they decide to attack Israel or the U.S. well nuke them off the planet. And mean it.

I totally agree.

44 posted on 06/12/2014 7:33:56 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: kristinn

So al-quaeda is not on the run?


45 posted on 06/12/2014 7:44:29 AM PDT by matt04
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To: kristinn

How can you catch someone “off guard” when you weren’t “on guard” to begin with?


46 posted on 06/12/2014 7:50:36 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Our brand of democracy would never have worked in a Muslim nation.


47 posted on 06/12/2014 7:53:55 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: Corporate Democrat
On Fox yesterday--I think on Megyn Kelly's show--they played a clip of 0 saying this, and juxtaposed it to what happened in Iraq.

VERY powerful!

48 posted on 06/12/2014 7:55:08 AM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement!)
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To: dfwgator
Heckuva job CIA and NSA.

They are busy ya know. Spying on Americans, building new data centers, surfing social media. Important stuff.

49 posted on 06/12/2014 8:02:44 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: unixfox

I think they rely too much on electronic means as opposed to humans on the ground.


50 posted on 06/12/2014 8:08:13 AM PDT by USAF80
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