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Gov. Rick Perry Believes That Homosexuality Is Like Alcoholism And Can Be Treated
Politics USA ^ | 06/12/2014 | By: Justin Baragona

Posted on 06/12/2014 8:38:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Republican Texas Governor Rick Perry addressed the Commonwealth Club of California Wednesday night. The former Presidential candidate, who is thinking about running again in 2016, spoke to the crowd in San Francisco about a variety of topics, ranging from climate change to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s recent primary loss. However, he shocked the crowd, and perhaps put the final nail in the coffin of his Presidential ambitions, when he compared homosexuals to alcoholics and suggested that gays should just refrain from homosexual activity, much like an alcoholic should not drink.

Perry was on stage being interviewed by the Commonwealth Club’s Greg Dalton. During the interview, the Texas GOP’s official platform was brought up, which includes the widely-discredited practice of reparative therapy for gays. This is where a gay or lesbian person is taught, typically by a ‘person of faith,’ to reject and repress homosexual impulses and embrace heterosexuality.

Perry said he was unsure if the therapy worked when an audience member asked Perry if the therapy works . Dalton then followed up by asking Perry if he thought homosexuality was a disorder. Perry answered with the following:

“Whether or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not, you have the ability to decide not to do that. I may have the genetic coding that I’m inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way.”

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1 posted on 06/12/2014 8:38:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The many, many homosexuals who actually were cured of their sexual perversion agree with Rick.


2 posted on 06/12/2014 8:39:37 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas' Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: SeekAndFind

Balls. You don’t see that very often.

It doesn’t take him long before he praised Hillary as some sort of effective person of some sort.

Good governor, I suppose, but he’s not Presidential timbre.


3 posted on 06/12/2014 8:39:40 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Like marrying the mayor of NYC????


4 posted on 06/12/2014 8:39:47 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SeekAndFind

12 steppers or high steppers?


5 posted on 06/12/2014 8:39:48 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind
the widely-discredited practice of reparative therapy for gays.

"widely-discredited" = PC thugs used its less than 100% success rate as a rationalization for thundering against it and cowing the psychiatric community into compliance.

6 posted on 06/12/2014 8:44:20 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The truth hurts.


7 posted on 06/12/2014 8:44:53 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? ?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Awww geez - just when you think he going good.

He should stick to what he knows well so he can comment freely and speak intelligently.

8 posted on 06/12/2014 8:45:57 AM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: ConservingFreedom

If a gay person WANTS to undergo therapy and is NOT COERCED to do it, why should there be a law banning the therapy?

I am asking this because NJ’s governor Chris Christie signed a law OUTLAWING reparative therapy for homosexuals.


9 posted on 06/12/2014 8:47:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ConservingFreedom
"widely-discredited"

But, but,but... it's settled science!

10 posted on 06/12/2014 8:48:32 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree with Perry, but frankly these scenes are setups and have been, long before Todd Akin. The M.O. is the same, drag out some explosive social issue and corner a candidate with some nuanced or unexpected twist on the question. It’s not that I don’t think they should answer those questions, they just shouldn’t allow themselves to be forced into making a “new” or “different” policy statement from a podium with cameras rolling and only a few seconds to think about it.


11 posted on 06/12/2014 8:49:08 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Baynative

So what did he say that offends you so bad? The truth?

Pray America wakes up


12 posted on 06/12/2014 8:49:11 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Putin 2016)
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To: Baynative

RE: Awww geez - just when you think he going good.

Which is worse, saying something like what Rick Perry said, or Hillary Clinton telling the world that she was broke after Clinton’s term as President?

And oh BTW, what does an opinion about homosexuality have to do with one’s ability to govern?


13 posted on 06/12/2014 8:49:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

As do a number of former homosexuals. I wonder if the media will look for their testimonies.


14 posted on 06/12/2014 8:50:59 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind
Duh - like yeah!

God makes no one homosexual, period.

Sexual feelings are just that, acts are what makes one homosexual.

Some people have a much lower sex drive than others, that doesn't make one anything.

In adolescence, following a non-sexual childhood, one has strong bonds to the same sex, that never means one is homosexual.

As they age, adolescents continue to develop, some slower than others, sexually. Some never reach the point that they have a strong desire to copulate with the opposite or same sex at all.

Homosexuality is so strongly stressed today that our young people trying so hard to find their own identity, find themselves trying all sorts of behaviors, mostly to irritate their parents.

If they are around homosexual predators who seize upon them and especially if they are males and especially if their hormones are raging, they can be made to believe that deviant sex is what they are about.

That still doesn't make them "born homosexuals."

15 posted on 06/12/2014 8:51:29 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since Rick Perry also called Hillary a great Secretary of State, you have to wonder which two of the three times to listen to him.


16 posted on 06/12/2014 8:51:32 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Baynative

So what did Perry say that was wrong or unacceptable to you?


17 posted on 06/12/2014 8:51:54 AM PDT by subterfuge (Hey NSA snoop, get a real job you idiot!)
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To: Baynative

“He should stick to what he knows well so he can comment freely and speak intelligently.”

If he did that he’d never speak........


18 posted on 06/12/2014 8:51:59 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Chris Christie signed a law OUTLAWING reparative therapy for homosexuals.”

I am pretty sure this ban only applies to therapy for minors. Its for the children ya know.


19 posted on 06/12/2014 8:55:36 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Here are testimonies from numerous ex-gays (there’s more where they came from):

http://pfox.org/exgay_teen.html

http://www.gcmwatch.com/10615/80-exhomosexual-video-testimonies

http://www.conservapedia.com/Ex-homosexuals#Testimony_of_Charlene_Cothran

I guess all of them would have to be lying to refute Rick Perry.


20 posted on 06/12/2014 8:56:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Ingtar

RE: Since Rick Perry also called Hillary a great Secretary of State, you have to wonder which two of the three times to listen to him.

Like anybody who is human and can sometimes be wrong, you have to take his statements on a case by case basis and use your judgment.


21 posted on 06/12/2014 8:57:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not sure it’s a psychological disorder so much as surrender to spiritual darkness. I believe it needs to be addressed spiritually. And when that spiritual warfare is embarked upon, you’ve got a HUGE fight on your hands as those spirits have rooted themselves deeply into the hearts, minds and culture of people all over the world.

But I agree with Gov. Perry that it can be successfully addressed.


22 posted on 06/12/2014 8:58:09 AM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: SeekAndFind
If a gay person WANTS to undergo therapy and is NOT COERCED to do it, why should there be a law banning the therapy?

I am asking this because NJ’s governor Chris Christie signed a law OUTLAWING reparative therapy for homosexuals.

He and other leftists are afraid it will work.

23 posted on 06/12/2014 9:00:24 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since Hillary is the likely opponent at this point, those statements would doom him.


24 posted on 06/12/2014 9:00:28 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar

He could always add an addendum — “What I meant was Hillary is a great Secretary of State to terrorist of Benghazi.”


25 posted on 06/12/2014 9:01:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't think the Texas GOP should have gone as far as they did with advocating this "reparative therapy". Why would a political party go that far? Just leave it as an option for interested individuals.

The left wants to prohibit "reparative therapy". The GOP should make this a "pro-choice" issue. "Reparative therapy" should be available to those who want it. Democrats are autocratic in their "War against Gays" by taking that choice away.

26 posted on 06/12/2014 9:06:45 AM PDT by SSS Two
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To: SeekAndFind
He's wrong and right.

He's corrict that it is like alcoholism in that it is a purely BEHAVIORAL issue, period. I am an alcoholic, the same crazy kind as my grandfather was. I know of what I speak; drinking to excess is all and only about the choice to drink or the choice to resist temptation and leave it alone. These are purely BEHAVIORAL things, and just because one person's body craves alcohol (like mine) while another one's doesn't, makes it "so unfair!!!" and more difficult for the likes of me, it REMAINS a purely behavioral choice and purely a behavioral solution.

He is wrong in that it can be "treated" with outside assistance. There is ONLY ONE successful "treatment" -- the individual decides to AVOID or CEASE a very specific, particular behavior.

27 posted on 06/12/2014 9:07:17 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: SeekAndFind

The next time a homosexual gets the urge just have him take a long look at Bawney Fwank. That should do it.


28 posted on 06/12/2014 9:12:09 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Baynative

you don’t agree with his statement that you can choose to not be someone you feel you are predisposed to be? I may really be inclined to steal, but I have within me the means to overcome that. I may have a strong lust for woman, but I have the power to overcome it and remain faithful to my wife. Perry says someone may feel strongly he/she in homosexual, but also has the power to overcome it. You don’t believe that?


29 posted on 06/12/2014 9:12:23 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Homosexuality is simply a deviant (apart from the norm) sexual lifestyle. To pretend otherwise is not being grounded in reality and delusional. People who support and champion gay rights simply do not have the courage to admit it’s simply deviant sexual behavior, but try very hard to wrap it up in “civil rights.” There is no “gay gene.” Homosexual behavior is also not illegal, but no different than any other deviant human sexual activity like pedophelia, necrophelia, or this entire list of deviant sexual behaviors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphilias

Homosexual groups are trying to force acceptance of their behavior by using political pressure on corrupt politicians and trying to bully and shout down anyone who disagrees with them. And so far, it’s working... Honestly, no one really cares to fight about it all that much. Too many people in this country allow themselves to be bullied. A nation of cowards, as that moron Holder likes to say.

I could honestly care less what you do behind closed doors, but when you try to bully me by shouting at me and calling me a bigot because I don’t support your behavior, or try to force me to believe a certain way, or try to coerce me to pay tax dollars to support your idiot causes, you got a fight on your hands.


30 posted on 06/12/2014 9:13:48 AM PDT by Bell407Pilot
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To: Finny

“... the individual decides to AVOID or CEASE a very specific, particular behavior. “

That is exactly what the treatment centers stress - that is the 12 step program. Some must learn that no one can do it but yourself.


31 posted on 06/12/2014 9:15:48 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Having read the piece beyond the very flawed headline (!!!) it appears Perry has pretty much the same take on alcoholism and homosexuality as I do. Regardless of whether the urge to indulge is genetic, biological, or simple willfulness, it's behavioral. It's a choice.

If alcoholism is a disease, it's self-inflicted and self-cured. Someone with multiple sclerosis or Type 1 diabetes or polio cannot make ALL of the symptoms of their disease DISAPPEAR simply by avoiding (by force or by choice, either one) a specific behavior.

Someone with alcoholism CAN make ALL of the symptoms disappear by avoiding -- whether by free choice or by being stranded somewhere where zero alcohol is available -- a specific behavior. I know of what I speak as I have lived it.

Life isn't fair, and no one -- least of all God -- said it was.

32 posted on 06/12/2014 9:18:12 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: SeekAndFind

Come on Rick, Its the political topic that dare not speak its name.


33 posted on 06/12/2014 9:24:27 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe Perry is right to the extent that society’s endorsement makes it seem epidemic. Then there’s the media.


34 posted on 06/12/2014 9:27:19 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: elpadre
That is exactly what the treatment centers stress - that is the 12 step program. Some must learn that no one can do it but yourself.

With respect, those 12-step programs and IN PARTICULAR those treatment centers (which average at least $1,000 per day) are to the true problem of alcoholism, what bleeding patients was to medicine 200 years ago.

What controls the lives of people on those 12 step programs? God? Themselves? Or alcohol? Does that 12 step program tell them, "Go where you will, go to bars, go to dances, go to parties, go where alcohol is served in abundance, and enjoy yourself because you are in control."

On the contrary, those 12-step programs warn you to stay away, to let whether or not alcohol is present, to determine your choice of where you go and who you socialize with! That is a losing scenario where alcohol remains more powerful than God or self-will.

Look, I know many reformed alcoholics who achieved sobriety by embracing a 12-step program, but nearly every one of them STILL put alcohol at the center of their lives, even though many haven't drank a drop for decades! They are still controlled by alcohol.

They are less "healed" than they are simply altered. God made me a horrifically allergic alcoholic -- I've woken up in jails and other places with zero idea as to how I got there, lost jobs, lost friends, injured myself, etc. When I realized I had a decision to make, I thought of my allergy to alcohol (that's the best way of describing the affliction, IMO) as a curse. Over the years, I realized, with the grace of a most merciful and loving Almighty and my wonderful Savior Jesus, that it is indeed ONE OF MY RICHEST BLESSINGS.

35 posted on 06/12/2014 9:35:44 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

RE: Come on Rick, Its the political topic that dare not speak its name.

Gay love used to be called “The love that dares not speak its name” by Oscar Wilde. Now it has become the love that just won’t shut up.


36 posted on 06/12/2014 9:47:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

when the political world can also predict the best cures for other disease then maybe they should get involved with doctor patient stuff, till then worry about good government, less government and shut up.


37 posted on 06/12/2014 9:57:56 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well whether you agree with Rick or not its fun watching the progressive heads explode. :-)


38 posted on 06/12/2014 10:02:48 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

“It doesn’t take him long before he praised Hillary as some sort of effective person of some sort.”

IMO Perry does not believe that Hillary will be the 2016 Democrat nominee. He thinks it will be Andrew Cuomo as do I. He’s speaking in Libtard land so why slam Hillary? He’s trying to get support even in San Francisco for a presidential run. A good strategy.

Perry is very much Presidential material. Its way past time to elect a mature adult to the Pesidency. Especially a good patriotic American Christian conservative adult. Not to mention a staunch states righter.

Right now I don’t even want to hear about anybody except Perry and Cruz.


39 posted on 06/12/2014 10:07:43 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Can you imagine the group sessions???

**********

“Hi, my name is Sergio.”

“HI, SERGIO!”

“I’ve been homo-free for 6 months now...”


40 posted on 06/12/2014 11:14:51 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Don Corleone

Maybe some high heelerz???

You never know...


41 posted on 06/12/2014 11:15:23 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I believe and I have seen—that some—a percent of Gays—can change. Its a small percent—but some can and have. Others, maybe a majority, can not and will not. I would like to see more do so because—and this is my belief—and maybe I am wrong—that they would make great fathers and mothers—we are losing good people who go childless for the most part. If some—even a few change—that would be a good thing. Some can’t—I am Ok with that.


42 posted on 06/12/2014 11:17:05 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

“Thou should’th listen to thine own advice...”

I’m jus’ messing with ya...;-)

There are a plethora of other governors out there who are worse than Rick Perry...

Who’s your Blue State governor??? Just curious...


43 posted on 06/12/2014 11:19:46 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He just alienated every stupid person in the country.


44 posted on 06/12/2014 11:21:13 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Baynative

Exactly


45 posted on 06/12/2014 11:21:22 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: stevie_d_64

Christie :)


46 posted on 06/12/2014 11:23:41 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s right, but, like alcoholism, not all treatment cures the patient.


47 posted on 06/12/2014 11:28:58 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Baynative

Everyone knows that homosexuality is abnormal. Even the homos know it. Before anyone claims that a homosexual can’t stop their urges, well I would say to them that if someone were starving would they eat $hit? Of course not, some things you just know are wrong, no matter what.


48 posted on 06/12/2014 11:33:48 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Dr. Thorne; wagglebee; scripter; Alamo-Girl

In reading other articles, it appeared that Gov Perry was thinking of alcoholism having a claimed genetic link and comparing that to homosexuality which also claims a genetic link. As with homosexuality, the link is very weak if it’s even there....personally, I don’t think it’s there.

Perry, though, makes a good point: an alcoholic doesn’t have to act it out. He can say no to a destructive behavior.

My sense is that it takes real guts for Perry to say this.

He would make an infinitely better president than Obama, Hillary, any other democrat, and most republicans.


49 posted on 06/12/2014 11:36:34 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Dr. Thorne

You have to WANT to seek treatment...

The mechanics of homosexuality are just too much for me to try and excuse, but I can only see this as a battle against conventional relationships, a mental condition (comfort zone) in which some people have personal sexual preferences as a form of rebellion against authority...

And have basically withdrawn into a collective movement which wants to justify (and fund) its rebellion by forcing government to write off on their immoral behavior...

And by succeeding in doing that, no one will be able to fight back against them, when the government makes that fight illegal, with punishment by fines, prison time...

And (as an added bonus) manipulating private corporate cultures into being open in company policies to defend it and make people sign employment agreements to not discriminate, or manipulate hiring of people of a personal sexual preference...etc etc etc...

Which is what some companies are doing already...

I see the IRS amending tax codes to fine companies, and audit them for homosexual hiring compliance...

Not to mention additional Federal regulations being very clear in those efforts...Much more than many other regulations we’ve heard about coming down the pipe in recent years...


50 posted on 06/12/2014 11:38:20 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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