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Oklahomans react to law requiring classes for divorcing parents
KOCO ^ | 06/11/2014 | Brian Shlonsky

Posted on 06/12/2014 10:24:43 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

OKLAHOMA CITY —Oklahomans filing for divorce will now have to go through an extra step if they have kids.

Gov. Mary Fallin signed a bill last week that requires married couples who have children younger than 18 to pay for and attend classes before they can split.

Those classes will cost anywhere between $15 and $60 and will teach parents about the impact divorce will have on the kids.

Many Oklahoma residents have mixed feelings about the new law.

“I don’t think it’s a bad idea, but I just don’t agree with people have to go to classes,” Linda Fuller said.

“If I know we’re not in love anymore, I don’t feel like I should go to any class, just move on with our lives,” Davon Shepherd said.

The law goes into effect on Nov. 1.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: divorce; moralabsolutes; oklahoma
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Interesting. Is this a classic example of the Nanny State interfering in our marriages and our lives?

Or a natual result and benefit of conservatve efforts to stem the destruction of the Welfare State by upholding marriage?

1 posted on 06/12/2014 10:24:43 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: 185JHP; 230FMJ; AKA Elena; APatientMan; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
Obviously you CAN legislate morality. The question has always been - Whose morality? The left or the right?

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2 posted on 06/12/2014 10:27:28 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Is this a classic example of the Nanny State interfering in our marriages and our lives?

Just a reminder that kids count too.

Divorce used to be hard to get.

3 posted on 06/12/2014 10:29:43 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

During a recent child custody case I was involved with, all parties to the lawsuit were required to take this type of class.


4 posted on 06/12/2014 10:31:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“If I know we’re not in love anymore, I don’t feel like I should go to any class, just move on with our lives,”

Homeboy shows why we’ve lost the Sodomite “marriage” debate. When Marriage is just about two people being in love, getting married to make sex more convenient, how can we keep the fudgepackers out?


5 posted on 06/12/2014 10:32:05 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I think it should be harder to get married than divorced.


6 posted on 06/12/2014 10:32:46 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: itsahoot

Divorce used to be hard to get.

__________________________________

It SHOULD be hard to get. It should be harder for the idiot parents to get divorced than it will be for the innocent children after the parents get one.


7 posted on 06/12/2014 10:34:04 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

THANK GOD!

As a high school teacher, divorce is frequently the difference between the kids in regular and honors classes.

Parents rarely think about kids when they divorce, but the kids rarely think about anything else.


8 posted on 06/12/2014 10:34:43 AM PDT by struggle
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To: demshateGod; All

Answer??? (in the form of a question)

“What are “Chastity belts” worn backwards?”

[Ohhhh, I know I’m going to hell for this one!!!]

;-)


9 posted on 06/12/2014 10:37:37 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
It's certainly not a case of "interference" when a divorce -- by definition -- involves one or both parties seeking the eradication of a legal relationship that was established under the recognition of the State.

Once you get Caesar involved, you play by Caesar's rules.

10 posted on 06/12/2014 10:37:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Veggie Todd

Yes.

Make them watch Kramer vs Kramer like we had to watch the gory crash videos in driver’s ed.


11 posted on 06/12/2014 10:38:38 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: demshateGod
“If I know we’re not in love anymore, I don’t feel like I should go to any class, just move on with our lives,”

Yeah. Just move on. And leave your children to struggle and fail, because after all - you're not in love anymore.

12 posted on 06/12/2014 10:39:07 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes.


13 posted on 06/12/2014 10:39:57 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: struggle
Parents rarely think about kids when they divorce, but the kids rarely think about anything else.

You are correct. I was the exception that's all I thought about. I stayed in a bad marriage for 18 years because of them but the stress of the marriage was driving me insane and the kids could feel the tension. Anyone who stepped in our house could. It pained me to leave but I had to. I am extremely sad not being with my kids everyday but being in that marriage was impossible.

14 posted on 06/12/2014 10:41:30 AM PDT by Hyman Roth
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To: Responsibility2nd

Fallin=the Dominion branch of Christianity. With the Huckster. Wrapped around Character First and Bill Gothard.


15 posted on 06/12/2014 10:47:41 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: DariusBane

Ahh. Blame the Christians. Is that it?


16 posted on 06/12/2014 10:49:15 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: struggle
Parents rarely think about kids when they divorce, but the kids rarely think about anything else.

You can say that again. I know I've said this before, but I STILL can't get over my mother saying, 'Why don't you want me to be happy?' when I protested her divorcing my father. As if she was the only one whose feelings mattered.

17 posted on 06/12/2014 10:50:09 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Responsibility2nd

We’ve had these classes in our county for twenty plus years. If the parents file too many motions, then there’s a sixteen week course they can end up having to attend. (one night a week)


18 posted on 06/12/2014 10:50:48 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Responsibility2nd

The Christians? Dominion is The Christians? Nah. If i were blaming The Christians, i would blame myself. I oppose this measure. As a small non interventionist conservative Christian. Sorry.


19 posted on 06/12/2014 10:53:50 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Veggie Todd

A marriage license should cost $10,000, a divorce 10 cents... with the person requesting the divorce walking away with nothing but the clothes on their back.


20 posted on 06/12/2014 10:56:24 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You are correct about this statement. A government big enough to do good is a government big enough to perpetuate evil. The best choice is a government that can’t do much of either.


21 posted on 06/12/2014 10:56:49 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: stevie_d_64

What are fudge blockers?


22 posted on 06/12/2014 10:57:35 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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I think a lot of people in this thread are painting with too broad a brush. Sometimes divorce benefits the kids when one spouse goes off the deep end due to addiction or exceptionally poor behavior. In my case, my kids improved across the board when the x was finally kicked out of the house. The home calmed down, the behavior improved, the grades improved, the stress level plummeted. Not all of us divorce simply because we got tired of the other half.


23 posted on 06/12/2014 10:57:53 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I think if the state is going to require classes, it should require them before issuing a marriage license.


24 posted on 06/12/2014 10:59:36 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: DariusBane

OK, I get it.

Even when there are measures that work and that benefit the State - we should avoid them.

I don’t agree. I guess that makes me a Nanny Stater, huh?


25 posted on 06/12/2014 11:06:04 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wrong legislation. Should have just outlawed no-fault divorce.


26 posted on 06/12/2014 11:07:48 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I was divorced 2 years ago here in Ohio and had to take a 3 hour class on the effect of divorce on kids. No big deal...


27 posted on 06/12/2014 11:10:31 AM PDT by Finatic (Sometimes I think it would be nice to just get it on and get it over with. Once and for all.)
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To: Mastador1

[snicker]

Good one...


28 posted on 06/12/2014 11:11:59 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Beagle8U
... with the person requesting the divorce walking away with nothing but the clothes on their back.

I would agree with you in principle; but what about women tethered to an alcoholic who is abusive to her and the children and uses all the family money for himself, even running up debts in her name? It's just not simple.

29 posted on 06/12/2014 11:13:00 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Luircin

>>You can say that again. I know I’ve said this before, but I STILL can’t get over my mother saying, ‘Why don’t you want me to be happy?’ when I protested her divorcing my father. As if she was the only one whose feelings mattered.

And I don’t mean to implicate all divorcees by my comments, I just find that many times the kids, regardless of the conditions, want to have a “stable” family like everyone else. The biggest victim I see is girls that lose time with their fathers. It scars them mentally.


30 posted on 06/12/2014 11:14:50 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Responsibility2nd

I want government small and frustrated with a lack of power and money. Safer for everyone. We have in our possession a Constitution that was written with that view in mind. The perceived need for intervention and good works has however vastly expanded the size, scope, power and expense of government. Now when evil people gain power they possess unfettered scope, power and money to work mischief.

Keep government small and we can all be a bit frustrated by the ineffectual government. But we can rest in our beds knowing that the government cannot perpetrate tyranny.


31 posted on 06/12/2014 11:15:11 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Albion Wilde

Well, it must not be too bad if she doesn’t want to walk away?

The object is to make it not easy, and with zero to gain from it.

PS...About that $10,000 marriage license, each has to pay half, and with their own money.


32 posted on 06/12/2014 11:20:00 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: TurboZamboni
Make them watch Kramer vs Kramer like we had to watch the gory crash videos in driver’s ed.

Or "War of the Roses."

33 posted on 06/12/2014 11:25:03 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: Beagle8U

With your 10k marriage license, a whole lot of people who have been married for 40 plus years would never have married. They would either walk away or shack up.

BTW who gets the money? The State? They would use the money to buy office furniture and cars. No thanks. That’s quite a transfer of wealth from the private sector to the public sector.


34 posted on 06/12/2014 11:26:38 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This one might be a good idea... nanny state or not. Too man people destroy their children in their desire to punish each other...


35 posted on 06/12/2014 11:28:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (#2 reply spot RESERVED for Tokyo Rose comments: "nothing works - give up - it's all hopeless".)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Interesting. Is this a classic example of the Nanny State interfering in our marriages and our lives?

Not to long ago Oklahoma passed a law requiring a woman who wanted an abortion had to first look at an ultrasound of the fetus. The purpose, I assume, was so that the person wanting the abortion would know full well that their decision did not apply to themselves alone but also impacted another living human being. Is that a case of the nanny state interfering in our lives? Perhaps, but when children are involved then maybe the state should go the extra mile to protect them. So why should divorce be any different? Divorce doesn't just impact the parents. The kids are affected as well, and quite often suffer more than the parents. Why shouldn't the parents be forced to consider that before ending the marriage.

36 posted on 06/12/2014 11:30:56 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: GOPJ

A compulsory class will fix that?


37 posted on 06/12/2014 11:34:22 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Responsibility2nd

IMO, this is a stupid law. If the parents do not care enough about their children already, forcing them to pay for and attend these classes will do no good.

Many people seeking divorce don’t care enough about their children’s well being or they would not be looking to split in the first place.


38 posted on 06/12/2014 11:34:53 AM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: DariusBane

“BTW who gets the money? The State? They would use the money to buy office furniture and cars. No thanks.”

The money goes to enforcing the law against shacking up.


39 posted on 06/12/2014 11:35:01 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U
A marriage license should cost $10,000

How about if the 10K can be redeemed at the 20th wedding anniversary? Or if it can be used as a credit against SocSec for as long as you are married?
40 posted on 06/12/2014 11:36:14 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you’re litigating against nuns, you’ve probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: struggle

Parents rarely think about kids when they divorce, but the kids rarely think about anything else.

***
Well said.

So many parents do not consider the heartbreak of the poor children, who have no say in the matter.


41 posted on 06/12/2014 11:36:29 AM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: struggle
Parents rarely think about kids when they divorce, but the kids rarely think about anything else.

We have an 8 year old member of our extended family whose parents are going through the usual "nasty divorce". Two weeks ago, the child tried to OD on his mother's sleeping pills.

As a child of parents who divorced each other TWICE, I say AMEN to this requirement!

If I had a time machine, I'd go back 62 years and "read them both the Riot Act"!

42 posted on 06/12/2014 11:38:32 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: Luircin

...mother saying, ‘Why don’t you want me to be happy?’....

&&&
Yeah, there is a lot of that going around, sadly.


43 posted on 06/12/2014 11:38:59 AM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: Beagle8U

Oh dear. So you want to write and enforce a law that runs counter to 6000 plus years of human behavior? Good luck with that. What are the penalties? Prison? Fines? How would that improve the lives of kids born outside of marriage?


44 posted on 06/12/2014 11:39:05 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Does this include gay couples with trophy children?

-PJ

45 posted on 06/12/2014 11:42:06 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

That works.


46 posted on 06/12/2014 11:42:28 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Albion Wilde

I have always agreed with Dr. Laura’s opinion of divorce for people with children: No divorce unless one or more of the 3 A’s are involved — abuse, addiction, or adultery.

Far too many divorce just based on shallow conceptions of personal fulfillment.


47 posted on 06/12/2014 11:43:06 AM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

How about classes for the children of parents that are always at each other’s throat?
Like teaching them to hide all the guns, knives and poison mushrooms!
Buda-Bing... ;^}


48 posted on 06/12/2014 11:47:33 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: DariusBane

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. – Thomas Jefferson

____________________________________________

This being the case, I want a strong government that can sustain a strong economy and strong families. We had such a government for about 200 years.

Now? Now we have weak and ineffective leadership doing grave harm to our economic growth and is tearing apart our families. It this really the “small and frustrated” government you want?

Well aren’t you the lucky one.


49 posted on 06/12/2014 11:53:16 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Is this the government i want? Really? This current government sits upon the shoulders of countless usurptations of power. All good intentioned. It is the old argument. Good King, Bad King. The government needs to get out of the way (Ronaldus Magnus).


50 posted on 06/12/2014 11:59:18 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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