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Rand Paul : Secure the Border!
http://www.breitbart.com/ ^ | 6/12/14 | Rand Paul

Posted on 06/12/2014 12:21:18 PM PDT by Chickensoup

I am for immigration reform because I am against allowing 12 million more illegal immigrants into our country. If we do nothing, 12 million more illegal immigrants will come. We must be in favor of reform—smart reform that starts with border security.

Characterizing that position as "amnesty" is simply untrue.

What we have now is a lawless border. Current policy is a beacon for more illegal immigrants. The Obama administration’s lawless executive orders legalizing people who came here illegally will only encourage more illegal immigration—unless we act now with real, strong, verifiable border security.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; paul; randpaul
I have supported Paul and continue to do so. He is for strong borders and so am I . He is for legal immigration and so am I.
1 posted on 06/12/2014 12:21:18 PM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup

I am for immigration reform because I am against allowing 12 million more illegal immigrants into our country. If we do nothing, 12 million more illegal immigrants will come. We must be in favor of reform—smart reform that starts with border security.

Characterizing that position as “amnesty” is simply untrue.

What we have now is a lawless border. Current policy is a beacon for more illegal immigrants. The Obama administration’s lawless executive orders legalizing people who came here illegally will only encourage more illegal immigration—unless we act now with real, strong, verifiable border security.


2 posted on 06/12/2014 12:22:14 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup

No need for “reform.” Just enforce the laws already on the books.


3 posted on 06/12/2014 12:22:40 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Actually I think we need to reform it and make it much tougher.


4 posted on 06/12/2014 12:23:43 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup

Bad link there Chick. Might want to have the mods fix it.


5 posted on 06/12/2014 12:26:02 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Chickensoup

He stated that no other reforms would proceed until the border is secured and verified by Congress and not the President. It would be verified every year, also by Congress.


6 posted on 06/12/2014 12:26:14 PM PDT by liege (America 180)
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To: Chickensoup

Anything at all except deportation of illegals is amnesty. The border problem is in the White Hut, Congress and the Senate.


7 posted on 06/12/2014 12:26:23 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Chickensoup

As America runs like hell away from Iraq and Afghanistan, there is no reason why the ARMED drones cannot be used to patrol our borders and take them off of sniffing around American taxpayers. JMO.


8 posted on 06/12/2014 12:27:07 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Chickensoup

Stop with the lies. Enforce the law.


9 posted on 06/12/2014 12:27:22 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Chickensoup

He is for legal immigration and so am I.

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If by legal immigration you mean amnesty, then...

IBTZ


10 posted on 06/12/2014 12:27:52 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Chickensoup

New position every hour for this guy....


11 posted on 06/12/2014 12:28:50 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Chickensoup

FURP!! Amnesty pimps need not apply!!


12 posted on 06/12/2014 12:28:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Cowboy Bob

EXACTLY what you said.


13 posted on 06/12/2014 12:29:14 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Chickensoup
He gets himself into trouble playing word games when all he has to say is this and it would satisfy anyone who might ever think of voting for him.

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14 posted on 06/12/2014 12:29:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Chickensoup

Never going to get illegals out of the country as long as the illegals are in the white hut.


15 posted on 06/12/2014 12:30:06 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Chickensoup

Fine that he doesn’t want more to come in, but what does he propose to do with the millions who are already here? If it’s anything other than arrest and deportation, then sorry, that’s amnesty.

I’m really tired of politicians peeing on our legs and telling us it’s raining.


16 posted on 06/12/2014 12:30:09 PM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: Chickensoup

Rand Paul is all over the map. He’s trying to be all things to all people and it’s getting tiring. We need the consistency of a Ted Cruz.


17 posted on 06/12/2014 12:30:24 PM PDT by teg_76
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To: Chickensoup
This is interesting. When anti-Rand Paul advocates excerpt from RPs statements, they sound just awful. But when RP sets out his total view on the issue, it's okay.

I don't know if Rand Paul is presidential material; on some things he seems too conciliatory and non-conservative. Nobody can disagree though that he does one very good thing. He takes support away from the mainstream pols in both parties who created the mess we're in. And he's not afraid to speak out.

18 posted on 06/12/2014 12:31:08 PM PDT by grania
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To: Chickensoup
I am for immigration reform because I am against allowing 12 million more illegal immigrants into our country.

Can someone translate into English please.

19 posted on 06/12/2014 12:32:43 PM PDT by McGruff (I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

There has been amnesty creep in that almost any immigration change is viewed as amnesty.

The Speaker clearly enunciated the problem....... border control. Even if there is strong border control in the proposed law, the President will certainly ignore those border control parts he dislikes.

That means.....no immigration legislation.

The nation is in limbo till Obama is gone


20 posted on 06/12/2014 12:32:47 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Jim Robinson; Chickensoup

Chick, first you screw up the link. Then you posted your support for Paul which (third) brought JR out with a clear meaasge (FURP)

I’d suggest you ping the mods to delete this thread and then go away in shame.


21 posted on 06/12/2014 12:33:05 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Chickensoup

You can’t trust this guy! He’s all over the map. His opinions change like Clinton’s did, stick your finger in the air and see which way the wind blows that day.

I do not for one moment believe he’d have been on a conference calls with people pushing for amnesty if he didn’t believe in it.

Would I go on a conference call with people calling for the Nazis to take over the US? NO Same deal with amnesty.


22 posted on 06/12/2014 12:38:41 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Chickensoup; All
"Characterizing that position as “amnesty” is simply untrue."

Yeah, what would YOU call the legalization of the 12mil illegals already here?

AMNESTY, perhaps?

Paul supports that and therefore supports AMNESTY.

To argue otherwise is disingenuous, at best.

23 posted on 06/12/2014 12:40:22 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Chickensoup

They have been saying strong borders since 1986. Problem is they don’t mean what they say. It’s a trap. Both the dems and the e-reps want the illegals here.

You can continue to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain if you want, but there will be no secure borders until we get representatives that understand that the current laws need to be enforced, the employers hiring illegals need to pay the cost of having illegals here, illegals and their families need to be removed from the dole, and their children born here or not, get nothing. Make Mexico, etc., pay.

The secure the borders ruse is what the RINOs start shouting whenever they realize no one is buying their amnesty and they start losing elections. In two years it will be the 30th anniversary of secure the border. Things have only gotten worse and neither the executive branch, which refuses to do its job and execute the law, nor the legislative branch, which refuses to do its job and hold the executive branch accountable, have any desire to defend this country from invasion.


24 posted on 06/12/2014 12:41:45 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: Responsibility2nd

works for me?


25 posted on 06/12/2014 12:43:12 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

No and neither does he.


26 posted on 06/12/2014 12:43:53 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup

No, it doesn’t.

It brings you to bretibart.com

NOT the specific article.


27 posted on 06/12/2014 12:45:37 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

as I said the link works for me.

I am stepping on toes with this opinion? I think that Paul should have a chance to clarify what was said. And we should hear it.

I have been here for 15 years and I will not leave in shame.


28 posted on 06/12/2014 12:47:11 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sorry it was the top page article I thought I was at the specific page.

Here is the specific page link
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/12/Op-Ed-Secure-the-Border


29 posted on 06/12/2014 12:50:15 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup

You are wholly entitled to support whatever rino is pushing amnesty you like. That’s your call entirely.


30 posted on 06/12/2014 12:51:25 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Chickensoup

Why not JUST enforce the existing laws... ?


31 posted on 06/12/2014 12:58:06 PM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: SMARTY

Why not JUST enforce the existing laws... ?

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Because like most of the laws of this country, they are unenforceable and subject to buracratic jerry-rigging.

We need tougher laws:

this is how you get in, this is how many we will accept and this is how much capital you need to bring with you in order to qualify for citizenship. A couple of million US would do it. No one else.


32 posted on 06/12/2014 1:00:57 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

We must close the border! NOW! If it costs Billions—so be it! We should have a wall to rival the Great Wall of China. It should have electric fences, land mines, layers of barb wire, tank traps and machine gun towers. A new military unit must be made up—The Border Guard—their only job to keep the border air tight—only special controlled points for entry and exit. A layered five mile zone with forts, and bases—all along the southern border from Texas to California-—If we have problems with Canada—we do the same there as well.


33 posted on 06/12/2014 1:12:27 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: McGruff

Rand Paul has that all over the place, confusing rambling, yes and no, back and forth from here back to there, lack of clarity, that libertarians share.

It’s head scratching stuff, and like reading this article, you almost forget that he is supporting the amnesty side of the GOPe, by the end of it, it’s hard to even remember what the question was.

CNN:
But Paul and Norquist pointed to Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s primary victory in South Carolina. Graham was one of the co-sponsors of the comprehensive immigration packaged that was passed by the Senate last year.

Paul argued that the different outcomes in the two elections indicates that immigration reform wasn’t “the paramount issue” that brought down Cantor.

“It’s a mistake to try to paint it and decide that one issue decided this,” he said.

Jack Trammell is the Democrat who no longer has to face Eric Cantor

For his part, Paul said “I am still for it.”

“I say everywhere I go I am for immigration reform,” he added.


34 posted on 06/12/2014 1:15:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Chickensoup

I suppose Rand Paul supports:

Continuing to Strengthen Border Security

Earned Citizenship

Streamlining legal immigration

Cracking Down on Employers Hiring Undocumented Workers


If so, then Rand’s saying the same thing on immigration as the White House:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/immigration


35 posted on 06/12/2014 1:16:42 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Chickensoup

If I remember correctly, before coming into this country one had to prove they were financially self-supporting or have some kind of citizen sponsor.

Did that go away?


36 posted on 06/12/2014 1:24:04 PM PDT by liege (America 180)
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To: liege

If I remember correctly, before coming into this country one had to prove they were financially self-supporting or have some kind of citizen sponsor.

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That is the theory, but not the reality.


37 posted on 06/12/2014 1:28:09 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup

Good exercise Rand...backpeddaling.


38 posted on 06/12/2014 1:29:25 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: Chickensoup

Dear Rand,

I don’t want to hear one word more of your opinion or your myriad of problems with US Immigration Law, or any other of your rhetorical rabbit trails, until LONG after you have shut up, and confined your damn flying coat tails to the time out corner long enough for you to LEARN TO FOCUS, on the one and single matter at hand; border security now! Period.

No more rattling in the wind about your “reform”, nor your musings on immigration, nor your elaborate description of the problems, but just one thing— get us an expedited armed wall NOW, fit to stop dead this invasion! Enough!

Circling the problem with vacuous verbage backed up by squat is burning daylight, solves nothing, stalls action with blabbery and frankly aids and comforts illegal aliens crossing our southern border with the force of an enemy invasion.

Otherwise, come down to south Texas and stand at the border spewing your arid yakking to Texans and border patrol boys, exhausted in the sun from the sheer madness that you can’t seem to grip. Action, Rand, not political arts and crafts.

Men and arms, drones and planes, boycott Mexico, shut off business, stop money and trade.


39 posted on 06/12/2014 1:43:26 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Nea Wood
Fine that he doesn’t want more to come in, but what does he propose to do with the millions who are already here? If it’s anything other than arrest and deportation, then sorry, that’s amnesty.

I’m really tired of politicians peeing on our legs and telling us it’s raining.


You caught the hole in his speech.

Rand Paul on Immigration Reform: ‘Amnesty Is a Word That’s Trapped Us’

Rand Paul: GOP must get ‘beyond deportation’
40 posted on 06/12/2014 1:48:29 PM PDT by khelus
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To: Chickensoup

“He is for strong borders and so am I . He is for legal immigration and so am I.”

Been there, done that: Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

Nickname: Simpson–Mazzoli Act

Enacted by the 99th United States Congress

Public Law
Pub.L. 99–603

Stat.
100 Stat. 3445

Legislative history

Introduced in the Senate as S. 1200 by Alan K. Simpson on May 23, 1985
Committee consideration by: Senate Judiciary, Senate Budget
Passed the Senate on September 19, 1985 (69–30)
Passed the House on October 9, 1986 (voice vote after incorporating H.R. 3810, passed 230–166)
Reported by the joint conference committee on October 14, 1986; agreed to by the House on October 15, 1986 (238–173) and by the Senate on October 17, 1986 (63–24)
Signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445, enacted November 6, 1986, also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The act required employers to attest to their employees’ immigration status; made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants; legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants, and; legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.

About *******three million******** illegal immigrants were granted legal status through this act.

OK. What do guys like Paul admit that we have in numbers of illegals now? 12 million? In fact it’s *at least* double that now. So we’ve got nearly ten illegals in 2014 for every one we had in 1986.

Do you see all the `conditions’ above to illegals receiving amnesty? The look good, don’t they?
And don’t they look familiar?
They’re what guys like Paul, Obama & other Democrats and GOP-e are proposing we do again.
In other words, they’re proposing that we do what we never did the first go around.

Enforce the laws! Fine employers who hire them! Deport all of the illegals & declare a moratorium on immigration until we get things sorted out.
Paul’s and Obama’s, the Democrat/GOP-e/libertarian attitude of `benign neglect’ has given us what we have today:
So what do you get when you encourage bad behavior?
You get more bad behavior!
Why do you think Texas is being swamped right now by young people without parents?
They expect amnesty, `three hots & a cot’! And they’re getting the latter.
What’s going to happen once 20-30 million new Democrats are given amnesty?
When our children and grandchildren are middle-aged, when they face yet another liberal/libertarian party arguing for yet another amnesty—excuse me: “comprehensive immigration reform”—for 50-60 million illegals? What happens then?
Simpson-Mazzoli III?

If the rest of us could really believe, “he (Paul) is for strong borders and so am I . He is for legal immigration and so am I.” then it might be different, but sorry, I don’t.
Because we’ve `been there and done that’. Burn me once, shame on you; burn me twice, shame on me. Rand Paul wants what the Democrats want: amnesty. Period.
That’s spinach and to hell with it.


41 posted on 06/12/2014 2:27:02 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Chickensoup

Since Obama can do all this damage without Congress, can’t Congress enact border security without Obama?

Let all, yes even Democrats, who oppose border control step forward.


42 posted on 06/12/2014 2:43:34 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: Chickensoup

Sorry, but “Immigration Reform” means ONE THING today, and that is Amnesty (in some form).

We don’t need “Immigration Reform”, we had it in 1986 - the laws we need for ENFORCEMENT were passed back then.

JUST ENFORCE THOSE LAWS. That is all that is necessary.


43 posted on 06/12/2014 4:30:45 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Chickensoup

Well border security is a start and then we need to try to induce as many as possible to self deport through strict enforcement of immigration laws. Plus deport the ones we catch.


44 posted on 06/12/2014 6:23:03 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Well border security is a start and then we need to try to induce as many as possible to self deport through strict enforcement of immigration laws. Plus deport the ones we catch.


Absolutely. One cannot have any meaningful immigration laws without a secure border first.


45 posted on 06/13/2014 4:04:38 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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