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[2012 in Denmark] Churches Ordered to Perform Sodomy-Based Wedding Ceremonies
article from Telegraph June 7, 2012 and BarbWire ^ | Bryan Fischer

Posted on 06/12/2014 4:15:22 PM PDT by jimluke01

I’ve often made the point that every advance of the homosexual agenda comes at the expense of religious liberty. We as a society must choose between homosexuality and liberty because we cannot have both. Where homosexuality advances, liberty retreats.

For example, I have already written about the cop in Utah who essentially has been fired because he did not want to literally lead a gay pride parade. His reservations about homosexuality are religious in nature, but regardless of the Constitution’s guarantee of the “free exercise” of religion, he was forced to choose between homosexual pride and his own conscience. He chose conscience, and now he’s looking for work.

But the threat of what Bill Maher calls the gay mafia is not confined to the world of law enforcement or commerce. Of course, virtually every piece of gay “rights” legislation carves out special exemptions for religious organizations, especially churches, as a sop to the First Amendment. But these crumbs from the master’s table are flimsy protections at best, for the simple reason that people will start to argue that churches should not be allowed to break “laws” that everyone else has to obey.

Why, we will be told, should Christians be allowed to be homophobic bigots if nobody else is?

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TOPICS: Society; Travel
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homofascism; homosexualagenda; sodomy; tyranny

1 posted on 06/12/2014 4:15:23 PM PDT by jimluke01
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To: jimluke01

There will be Hell to pay - literally.


2 posted on 06/12/2014 4:17:55 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: jimluke01

This is exactly what gay marriage proponents say will not happen if they get their way. But it is, of course, exactly what will happen. They just know that telling the truth does not work in their favor.


3 posted on 06/12/2014 4:20:37 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: jimluke01

so much for religious freedom


4 posted on 06/12/2014 4:23:09 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: SkyDancer

Yeah. A lot of lamps going out.


5 posted on 06/12/2014 4:24:57 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: jimluke01

Bump


6 posted on 06/12/2014 4:32:34 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: NormsRevenge

This is one of the reasons why I regard the EU as perhaps the most malignant government entity on earth. They have swan dived into the culture of death, and the reservations or opposition of Europeans matters not a whit.


7 posted on 06/12/2014 4:33:11 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: jimluke01

The gaystapo can attack churches in a couple of ways. They can argue the church doesn’t deserve a tax-exempt charity status and then members will have to decide if they give to their churches because they have actual faith or to get tax deductions. Costs will go up and income goes down.

The other attack will be on a state level, being an argument that if a person licensed to perform marriages won’t marry gays, then they should have no power to legally marry anyone. In Russia, all couples had to get civil marriages in addition to their religion ceremonies. It would be the same here. Either way, the gays would have their revenge and churches would be challenged to continue their missions. Some churches won’t survive.

Now, if that happens to my church, it would not change my contributions. I appreciate the tax deduction but that isn’t the reason I give.


8 posted on 06/12/2014 4:35:49 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: jimluke01

bkmk


9 posted on 06/12/2014 4:36:06 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: jimluke01

Any anti-church ruling affects all religions.

Liberals are afraid to piss off Muslims.

Muslims don’t accept homosexuality or gay weddings.

End of Subject.


10 posted on 06/12/2014 4:46:15 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: jimluke01; All

I don’t know the details about this Utah incident. But since the police department is reasonably regarded as an agent of the state, it appears that the state has violated Section 1 of the 14th Amendment. Section 1 prohibits the states from making policy which unreasonably abridges constitutionally enumerated personal protections, the cop’s freedom of religous expression in this example.


11 posted on 06/12/2014 4:48:46 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: caseinpoint
The other attack will be on a state level, being an argument that if a person licensed to perform marriages won’t marry gays, then they should have no power to legally marry anyone.

That could actually work in our favor. If marriage becomes a purely secular institution, robbed of all its spiritual dimension, then churches are free to perform any other kind of "bonding" ceremony they choose (in effect, the sacred -- and true -- ceremony of marriage).

Then, religious people will be free to reject secular marriages and insist that their services are available only to those who are united in a SACRED ceremony, i.e., a church wedding.

Sure, the fags will whine and pout, but the courts will then have to decide whether or not religious liberty truly exists. And if it doesn't, then all the institutions deriving from moral law cease to have any weight either, including our system of justice.

We can't be told that we have to obey the law because "it's the right thing to do," while we're also being told that "there's no such thing as right and wrong." The fags can't hide behind the very ethic they're negating.

At least in a sane world ...

13 posted on 06/12/2014 5:06:16 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: jimluke01

I’ve been saying for a long time that churches will be forced to allow gay marriages. I blame the preachers. They should have been standing up to the government for a long time instead of worrying about their tax exempt status. Now it’s too late to stand up.


14 posted on 06/12/2014 5:20:25 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: caseinpoint

Attacking the tax exempt status of the Church will not work.

The Church is under no obligation to take on the values of the State, and the State can not demand that they do, because that WOULD be a direct violation of the Establishment clause.


15 posted on 06/12/2014 5:21:17 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: jimluke01

Sadly, probably half of the congregation of the churches along with half of their preachers are all in favor of gay rights.


16 posted on 06/12/2014 5:22:13 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: jimluke01

laws’repugnant to the constitution are null and void and it’s our duty as real citizens to ignore, refuse and reject them any way we can or have to.


17 posted on 06/12/2014 5:25:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: caseinpoint
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Case-In-Point ...


Just for you ...


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18 posted on 06/12/2014 5:54:17 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: G Larry
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Larry,


With (genuinely) all due respect, you don't understand the "Federal Contractor" status of IRS 5601-C3 tax-exempt churches.


Point-A : IRS 501-C3 has been recogized by the US Supreme Court as a "contract"


Point-B : IRS 501-C3 is issued by the Federal Government, and is hence a "federal contract"


Point-C : Church "secular corporations" that accept the Terms & Conditions of IRS 501-C3 as hence "Federal Contractors"


Point-D : All "secular corporations" that accept the Terms & Conditions of U.S. Government Federal Contractors MUST OBEY the Government's WISHES



Take a look at the video link I posted (above) ...


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I'm discussing a TRUTH that's VERY difficult to accept ...

And ANY pastor or "Christian Lawyer" who says that church tax-exempt status is a "free gift" from Uncle Sam is an "Obama-Clinton LIAR" ...



Best Regards,

Patton-at-Bastogne





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19 posted on 06/12/2014 6:04:21 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: jimluke01
Why, we will be told, should Christians be allowed to be homophobic bigots if nobody else is?

Aye, there's the rub. The above is a specious argument.

EVERYONE in this country is free to be a bigot against homosexuals. If they choose to speak out against it then they should be prepared to deal with a backlash from such free speech. But EVERYONE is free to believe whatever they wish.

20 posted on 06/12/2014 6:13:42 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Proudly posting before reading the whole article since 2001.)
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To: jimluke01

Follow your conscience.


21 posted on 06/12/2014 6:19:03 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: jimluke01
churches should not be allowed to break “laws” that everyone else has to obey.///

Shouldn't that apply to congress as well? (Obamacare exemption)

22 posted on 06/12/2014 6:23:49 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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To: jimluke01

I’ve got a question.

If a man and woman get married, but do not consummate the marriage, they can get an annulment.

If two sodomites get “married” how do they go about getting a “divorce or annulment? How do they “Prove” it?

We know marriage is between a man and a woman. Sodomite marriage is nothing but an illusion.


23 posted on 06/12/2014 6:42:42 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

It would result in revolution.


24 posted on 06/12/2014 6:54:17 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: VerySadAmerican
I’ve been saying for a long time that churches will be forced to allow gay marriages. I blame the preachers. They should have been standing up to the government for a long time instead of worrying about their tax exempt status. Now it’s too late to stand up.

Is it?

(2 Chronicles 7:14)
if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

25 posted on 06/12/2014 6:55:23 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: G Larry
The Church is under no obligation to take on the values of the State, and the State can not demand that they do, because that WOULD be a direct violation of the Establishment clause.

Ah, but here's the kicker: it won't be congress doing it, but the Burearchy.

You see literal words and "the spirit" matter only when they line up with the Agenda.

26 posted on 06/12/2014 6:57:49 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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