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This Is NASA’s New Design for a Faster-Than-Light Ship
http://www.popularmechanics.com ^ | June 11, 2014 | by Niko Vercelletto

Posted on 06/12/2014 5:59:24 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

Looking like something out of Ender’s Game, this illustration comes courtesy NASA physicist Harold White, who collaborated with an artist to reveal what a warp drive ship might actually look like. Back in 2012, White revealed that he and a team were designing a faster-than-light ship. This is the first hint at its appearance.

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1 posted on 06/12/2014 5:59:24 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

I said it yesterday, if it relies on technology that does not exist, it is nothing but fantasy.


2 posted on 06/12/2014 6:02:41 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Still waiting for orion first...

3 posted on 06/12/2014 6:04:57 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Para-Ord.45

Very cool. A beautiful visions.


4 posted on 06/12/2014 6:05:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Give it time BOT. Much of what we have today is based upon tech that didn’t exist 100 to 200 years ago. We are going to the stars. And I believe sooner than we think.


5 posted on 06/12/2014 6:05:46 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Para-Ord.45
When are we going to design these for our trip when we conduct light speed???
6 posted on 06/12/2014 6:08:11 PM PDT by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

No problem. Obamas got Biden working on a plan to slow down light.


7 posted on 06/12/2014 6:09:47 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I said it yesterday, if it relies on technology that does not exist, it is nothing but fantasy.

There were two brothers named Wright who created technology because they also had a fantasy.

8 posted on 06/12/2014 6:11:30 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Didn’t Einstein theorize that when something approaches light speed it gets larger until it reaches infinite mass?

And, given NASA’s concern about making Muslims feel better, we’d better check to see if they feel good about this.


9 posted on 06/12/2014 6:11:37 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Para-Ord.45

10 posted on 06/12/2014 6:12:03 PM PDT by Third Person
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To: Para-Ord.45

Solar Warden.


11 posted on 06/12/2014 6:12:13 PM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: Para-Ord.45

Something I have wondered about is: Can God violate the laws of physics?

My guess is that he can.


12 posted on 06/12/2014 6:12:27 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

This is how they are spending our money while they are not flying to the space station


13 posted on 06/12/2014 6:14:11 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Nothing travels faster than the speed of light except for bad news which obeys laws of it own”

Douglas Adams


14 posted on 06/12/2014 6:14:15 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Para-Ord.45

The development program will be thwarted by a black hole.


15 posted on 06/12/2014 6:16:27 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: Nuc 1.1

Its built on theory and provable science. I believe White is the guy who has actually been able to consistently warp space by a few nanometers. Obviously not enough to propel a space ship but it does seem to indicate that considerably less mass would be required. (rather than the mass of Jupiter, something the mass of the voyager craft may be enough)


16 posted on 06/12/2014 6:17:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Well, I’m so fast, I can turn off the light switch by the door and get under the covers before the light goes out.

Yeah, I stole it from Muhammad Ali.


17 posted on 06/12/2014 6:18:27 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: muir_redwoods

“No problem. Obamas got Biden working on a plan to slow down light.”

He could do that by putting on earmuffs so it can’t get into the vacuum between his ears.

Freegards


18 posted on 06/12/2014 6:20:17 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: blueunicorn6

Well he stole it from an old Paul Bunyan tall tale.


19 posted on 06/12/2014 6:20:40 PM PDT by DManA
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To: unixfox
Talk of such dark magic is sure to bring the wrath of the gods down upon us and we're clean out of virgins to sacrifice.

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20 posted on 06/12/2014 6:21:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
The Vulcans won't be happy that we copied their design.

21 posted on 06/12/2014 6:21:53 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: DManA

Or maybe Pecos Bill. Anyway Ali did not invent the story.


22 posted on 06/12/2014 6:22:15 PM PDT by DManA
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To: BCW
You first need to teach them to dance.....


23 posted on 06/12/2014 6:23:32 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Superman and the Flash were discussing who was faster when Wonder Woman happened by...

(old joke)


24 posted on 06/12/2014 6:23:46 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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25 posted on 06/12/2014 6:23:55 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
We will be eagerly waiting: http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/aliens.jpg
26 posted on 06/12/2014 6:24:38 PM PDT by Vinylly (?%)
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To: Para-Ord.45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCf53ses22w


27 posted on 06/12/2014 6:26:12 PM PDT by jaz.357 (Contrary To Ordinary)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

Yea but old Han wasn’t faster than a garage door earlier today...


28 posted on 06/12/2014 6:26:26 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: yarddog

“Something I have wondered about is: Can God violate the laws of physics?”

Sure, but it’s a moot point if we don’t how all the laws of physics work to their ultimate conclusion, whatever that might be. When something miraculous happens, it could be a method that actually works within the rules, just not rules we understand yet. Or it could just be ‘pillar of salt’ and bam it happens.

Freegards


29 posted on 06/12/2014 6:28:26 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Para-Ord.45

I think it’s funny when people confuse science fiction with reality.


30 posted on 06/12/2014 6:28:58 PM PDT by slouper (LWRC SPR 223)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Well, if Linda Carter was under the covers, I could get under them covers even faster.


31 posted on 06/12/2014 6:31:37 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: shibumi

What ever she’s dancing, she’s beautiful ....


32 posted on 06/12/2014 6:33:07 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: blueunicorn6

Bad idea....best watch you 6 cuz Supes is right behind you ;)


33 posted on 06/12/2014 6:33:11 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: cripplecreek

Virgins? Did you say we need virgins.?

Let me gather the posse to begin the search...


34 posted on 06/12/2014 6:33:13 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: lurk
Didn’t Einstein theorize that when something approaches light speed it gets larger until it reaches infinite mass?

Moochelle must be getting pretty close to light speed....
35 posted on 06/12/2014 6:33:50 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: lurk

Einstein’s relativity theory applies only to objects moving through space. This is supposed to stretch and shrink space itself, similar to how the universe can expand beyond the speed of light while the galaxies within it technically do not.

But just to be fair, NASA will give Muslims the technology for free, because they’re too preoccupied with killing each other and everyone else to invent anything on their own.


36 posted on 06/12/2014 6:34:40 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Nuc 1.1

“Much of what we have today is based upon tech that didn’t exist 100 to 200 years ago.”

Yes, but a lot of the technology was scientifically feasible, we just didn’t know how to build it and make it work. For example, the principles of a rocket are the same whether we are talking Chinese fireworks from a thousand years ago, or the Saturns that we built to go to space.

When you are talking warp drives, we have no idea if the technology would even be feasible. We can’t explain how exactly gravity works, much less know if it we could even find a way to warp spacetime in the way gravity does, without accumulating some huge amount of mass. Until we have a better theoretical understanding of this stuff, any of this proposed technology is not even science fiction, it is straight up fantasy.


37 posted on 06/12/2014 6:35:30 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Para-Ord.45

Event Horizon anyone?


38 posted on 06/12/2014 6:44:05 PM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: Para-Ord.45

Instead of paying these guys for this, why doesn’t NASA just fire them and hire somebody to do some real engineering and design.


39 posted on 06/12/2014 6:45:31 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Boogieman

True enough. But look at the horsepower of computing and the rate of advance. And D-Wave is becoming legit tech now as well. when it matures, Katy bar the door.


40 posted on 06/12/2014 6:46:51 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: lurk

“Didn’t Einstein theorize that when something approaches light speed it gets larger until it reaches infinite mass?”

Well, it’s probably more sensible to look at it the other way round. The relativistic mass increases as it approaches light speed, as it takes more and more force applied to accelerate the object, as if it were getting heavier. The actual (rest) mass of the object isn’t changing, only the apparent mass to an observer changes. So, the result is that, to accelerate the object to actually reach light speed would require an infinite force. Since there are no infinite forces, nothing massive can be accelerated to light speed, so nothing ever actually reaches an infinite relativistic mass.

The theory behind the warp drive gets around this by not actually accelerating the ship that much in order to travel. The idea is to generate a “warp field”, which is basically just a theoretical kind of gravity field, in order to warp spacetime and thereby shrink the distance between the ship and the destination. Imagine, instead of a mouse crawling across the table to get some cheese, the mouse pulls the tablecloth to himself, until the distance between the cheese and himself is zero.


41 posted on 06/12/2014 6:49:33 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: lurk

it seems like infinite mass would be required to bend space/time and, thereby, allow travel across light years worth of distance in light second worth of time.


42 posted on 06/12/2014 6:50:14 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

Some ‘light reading’ and well worth the buy

http://www.amazon.com/Hyperspace-Scientific-Odyssey-Parallel-Universes/dp/0385477058


43 posted on 06/12/2014 6:53:02 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Well, that’s true, but you still have the fundamental problem that we have to make some theoretical breakthroughs to make any of this work, and we don’t know if those breakthroughs can be made until we make them. I don’t think a computer, or even a quantum computer will help us much there. The human brain is still what we have to rely to make the necessary creative leaps. So, until we get the next Einstein we’ll probably just keep wondering if it is possible.


44 posted on 06/12/2014 6:54:02 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: cripplecreek

Indeed. He believes the mass of an automobile per light year traveled is feasible.


45 posted on 06/12/2014 6:54:08 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Boogieman

I look at it in a Runsfeldian way. the whole “things we know we dont know” ect.

The computing will only allow us to test the theories ect. BUT, we can get through the theories quicker, whatever they may be. And that increased rate of discovery/rejection will save much time...ergo faster development leading to another development ect.

Of what? I dont know. But whatever we learn, we learn massively faster.


46 posted on 06/12/2014 6:58:23 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Ken522

I was looking for an animated gif of a star ship and that popped up on image search.

I just sorta hadda post it.


47 posted on 06/12/2014 7:00:46 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Nuc 1.1

White is actually far more humble about the results of his experiments than many other scientists who speak about it.

I saw a segment about his experiments on Futurescape narrated by James Woods this winter. Seems that he was able to achieve more of a warp by pulsing the energy at a certain frequency.


48 posted on 06/12/2014 7:07:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Boogieman

Two hundred and fifty years ago so much of what we have now wasn’t scientifically feasible for the time. It wasn’t even imagined. Consider atomic energy, radiation, radio, lasers, airplanes, electricity, quantum mechanics. The list is virtually endless. One may argue that the scientific principles were there to be found and that is true. I would argue that the scientific principles for faster than light travel and many other great achievements are waiting to be found. And found they will be. When they are they will become scientific principles rather than dreams or fantasy. The ship shown in the article is just an artists conception. Pretty but just a dream. The reality will be shall we say more down to earth? At least that is my bet.


49 posted on 06/12/2014 7:10:53 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

In the 5th grade, I used to draw pictures of space ships. Maybe I should post some of those.


50 posted on 06/12/2014 7:13:45 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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