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Obama’s Iraq
NY Post ^ | June 13, 2014 | Post Editorial Board

Posted on 06/12/2014 9:48:55 PM PDT by matt1234

When in 2011 President Obama announced, against the advice of his commanders, the complete withdrawal of all US forces from Iraq, he grandly declared “the tide of war is receding.”

Two days later, his secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, answered critics such as John McCain, who said the president’s announcement was a victory for Iran.

Said Mrs. Clinton: “No one, most particularly Iran, should miscalculate about our continuing commitment to and with the Iraqis going forward.”

This week these promises have been rendered hollow by the humanitarian and strategic crisis unfolding in Iraq. There, key northern cities have been falling to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, an offshoot of al Qaeda.

The horrors we are seeing fulfill some of the worst fears of critics who had warned that leaving Iraq without a new status of forces agreement imperiled the gains bought with American blood and treasure.

--SNIP--

The president’s practice has been to blame his failures on his predecessor. But in Iraq, President George W. Bush did not hand over a mess. He handed over a victory that Obama only had to sustain.

All that the President has squandered — in a humiliation for America, a vindication for al Qaeda, a gain for Iran and a catastrophe for long-suffering Iraqis caught in the violence.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; iraq; isis; wot
This editorial nails it. Obama owns the present debacle.
1 posted on 06/12/2014 9:48:55 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: matt1234

This editorial nails it. Obama owns the present debacle.


This editorial is very wrong.

Iran is not the problem and may even end up being the cavalry coming to Iraq’s rescue.

Neither Hillary or Obama said anything about a revitalized al-Qaeda insurgency funded , trained, armed , equipped and supported by the United States (under orders from Hillary and Obama) and the Gulf Oil States, especially Qatar, taking over Iraq


2 posted on 06/12/2014 9:54:57 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: matt1234

B. Hussien Obama: The first POTUS who was a product of the post WW2 College professors and look how well it worked out. Starting in the early to mid 70s all those WW2 era Professors started retiring and were replaced with hippies, hard core communists and terrorists, and this is the result. And ladies and gentlemen the best part is we can expect more of this crap in leadership positions.


3 posted on 06/12/2014 9:57:34 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: matt1234

” I am no longer accepting the things I cannot change , it is now time to change the things I cannot accept .”


4 posted on 06/12/2014 10:00:20 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: matt1234
Obama and Biden believe it is vital that a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) be reached so our troops have the legal protections and immunities they need.
5 posted on 06/12/2014 10:02:31 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: rdcbn
This editorial is very wrong.

Iran is not the problem and may even end up being the cavalry coming to Iraq’s rescue.

The editorial says as much. Quote:

Tehran has deployed its Revolutionary Guard to help the Shia-led government in Baghdad fight off the Sunni ISIS. What an irony: If the government of Iraq does survive, it will owe Iran more than Uncle Sam.
Did you read the whole thing?

And regardless of who supports ISIS, obama's still at fault for withdrawing prematurely and not leaving at least a token force in Iraq.

6 posted on 06/12/2014 10:03:15 PM PDT by matt1234 (Obama fled. People bled. (Iraq 2014.))
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To: rdcbn; no-to-illegals; Marine_Uncle; All

So you think that because it is Sunni fighters that Iran will intervene to help the Shiite govt. faction? Or might they wait until it gets really bad and then just march in? Also, is this happening in the Kurdish areas or just the areas with Sunni strength?


7 posted on 06/12/2014 10:04:37 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: matt1234

“Obama owns the present debacle.”

He allowed this to distract from the Bergdahl prisoner swap, which covered up the VA scandal, which distracted from the Benghazi scandal, which distracted the NSA scandal, which distracted from the the Obamacare scandal, which covered up the F&F scandal....


8 posted on 06/12/2014 10:08:09 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (If Obama hated America and wanted to destroy her, what would he do differently?)
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To: gleeaikin
Kurdish areas

Hearing bits and pieces out of Kurdish areas gleeaikin. Not much to go on. You hearing or reading anything?

9 posted on 06/12/2014 10:11:36 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: rdcbn

That’s like hoping the Nazis rescue you from the Soviets and you’re a Rabbi...


10 posted on 06/12/2014 10:17:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: gleeaikin
Oh btw, did read a piece, about six or eight days ago that was a long piece but had to do with Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Primary point, in the piece (article), was the goals of Qatar and Saudi Arabia are identical. Qatar, of course, took the five from Guantanamo. If we lose Iraq we have made a grave error (imho).
11 posted on 06/12/2014 10:17:35 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals; All

However, while Qatar and SA are Sunni, SA has certainly had its own terrorist problems. Until we have a better sense of the flavor of Islam desired by the terrorists it is hard to figure who will end up supporting who.


12 posted on 06/12/2014 10:21:25 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: no-to-illegals

This morning’s WSJ said the Kurds are defending their own areas, IIRC.


13 posted on 06/12/2014 10:27:35 PM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: married21
I wouldn't worry about the Kurds

They are not counting on Obama

14 posted on 06/12/2014 10:35:12 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: married21

Any mention of iran coming through Kurdish areas?


15 posted on 06/12/2014 10:47:37 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

No.


16 posted on 06/12/2014 10:49:41 PM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: matt1234

He suffers from something affecting most male leftists -— premature capitulation.


17 posted on 06/12/2014 10:56:11 PM PDT by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: All

Obama has decided to surrender, but he is waiting to find out who he should surrender to.

In the meantime, he will be assessing options, five iron or utility club.


19 posted on 06/13/2014 1:22:10 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: smokingfrog

We fought a war. We earned the right to set the terms.


20 posted on 06/13/2014 1:31:18 AM PDT by DB
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To: smokingfrog

Precisely. The Iraqis refused to legal immunity to US forces in Iraq as a part of the SOFA. This would have made them liable to Iraqi law and justice system for injuring Iraqis and damaging property.

Before we left there were already incidents of Sunni police units stopping US convoys, disarming the Personal Security Detail and beating them nearly to death. This was a well known and not infrequent occurrence.

Without a SOFA providing immunity for protecting themselves it would be absurd for US forces to have remained in Iraq. Even if they never left their bases during any crisis they’d be cutoff on their bases, requiring air resupply and legally liable for damages claims against them.


21 posted on 06/13/2014 3:38:12 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Peter ODonnell
"Obama has decided to surrender, but he is waiting to find out who he should surrender to."

Looking at if from the flip side, if you wanted to demand that the U.S. surrendered, how would you find the right American in charge?
22 posted on 06/13/2014 3:42:18 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: matt1234

” a humiliation for America,”

A Perfect description of the Obozo Presidency.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 4:01:26 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: gleeaikin

The Kurds are holding their own, from what I’ve heard.


24 posted on 06/13/2014 6:23:27 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Justa
Without a SOFA providing immunity for protecting themselves it would be absurd for US forces to have remained in Iraq. Even if they never left their bases during any crisis they’d be cutoff on their bases, requiring air resupply and legally liable for damages claims against them.

True, but The Obama Team really sucks at negotiating the price of lunch much less a SOFA.

25 posted on 06/13/2014 6:31:02 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: gleeaikin
RE: "So you think that because it is Sunni fighters that Iran will intervene to help the Shiite govt. faction? Or might they wait until it gets really bad and then just march in?"

I believe we should adhere at least somewhat to what was reported back in the surge period and afterward when things started to settle down. That being. The Iraqi government was trying it's best to keep Iranian infiltrators from entering a number of points along the Iraqi/Iranian border.
In short the Iraqi government did not want any further Iranian influence in Iraq's affairs. Perhaps things have changed over the past few years.

RE: "Also, is this happening in the Kurdish areas or just the areas with Sunni strength?"

I do not have firm answer to that. But let us remember northern cities in question are all a part of Iraq but at least back some years lots of Kurds lived those northern cities, villages etc..
I have not been following this stuff for a few years, so hesitate to make statements I cannot back up.

Good questions you offer up however.
26 posted on 06/13/2014 11:09:19 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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