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"Bush administration kicked a ‘hornets’ nest’ in Iraq"
Providence Journal ^ | June 11, 2014 | Providence Journal

Posted on 06/12/2014 11:01:57 PM PDT by WilliamIII

Governor Chafee said Wednesday that the George W. Bush administration kicked “a hornets’ nest” with its 2003 invasion of Iraq, an act that unleashed sectarian divisions among Iraqis that are playing out today as militants continue to wrest control of territory from the faltering government of Nouri al-Maliki. Chafee offered his views in an interview after the militants seized control of most of the city of Tikrit, hometown of the late dictator Saddam Hussein. They had captured the city of Mosul the day before. “I never understood the original push for war in Iraq, never understood the logic of regime change,” Chafee said. “These neocons [neo-conservatives] all through the ’90s were talking the importance of regime change in Iraq and toppling Saddam Hussein, the strongman. I just didn’t understand stirring up the hornets’ nest that is the Middle East. It just never made any sense to me, and now we’re seeing some of the ramifications of having deviated from our Cold War containment strategy.”

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1 posted on 06/12/2014 11:01:57 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

Blame Bush in 3... 2... 1.

There’s a lower of standards / Affirmative Action effect with Obama. It’s racist to NOT hold a President accountable to the same level as other Presidents solely because of his race, but that’s exactly what’s going on with Obama.

Either than or the Stockholm Syndrome.


2 posted on 06/12/2014 11:05:08 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: WilliamIII
Covering for Obama again, eh Chafee? Obama wanted to run things. He's sooooo smart, ya know.


3 posted on 06/12/2014 11:06:02 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: WilliamIII

You send these people on a one-way trip into the sun, they’d wonder why it’s getting hotter and brighter.


4 posted on 06/12/2014 11:08:05 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: WilliamIII

Since the democrats have moved so far left, we have lost all continuity in foreign policy.


5 posted on 06/12/2014 11:08:08 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: WilliamIII

First sheriff locks up the Clantons. Second sheriff lets them go.

Perceptive barbershop crowd says the first sheriff was stupid to have locked them up in the first place, since some fool was bound to let them out.


6 posted on 06/12/2014 11:11:52 PM PDT by marron
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To: WilliamIII

Bush should have used RAID ....( neutron weapons )


7 posted on 06/12/2014 11:14:11 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: TigerClaws

Hillary Clinton, the smartest woman alive (/s), stood up back then and proclaimed, “Saddam Hussein MUST GO!!!” She was apparently OK with the original war effort. Maybe she could help him understand why we went over there? /s


8 posted on 06/12/2014 11:23:40 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Frank_2001
Here is what may have happened:

Saddam asks head of nuclear program how things are going on the nuke?

Nuke program head tells him they are nowhere near having a nuclear weapon.

Saddam has him shot.

A few months later Saddam asks the new head of the nuke program how things are progressing?

Not wanting to be shot, the fellow responds, we're almost there, knowing full well they aren't.

British, and or other intel get's wind of this.

The story that Saddam has a nuke almost ready scares the bejezzers out of western leaders.

Bush, Hillary and most of the crowd run with the notion Saddam is almost ready to nuke us, so we'd better do something about it.

Saddam gets wind of it, and sends the entire nuke program to Libya.

He also sends the chemical weapons to Syria.

Funny how wars get started and the strange bedfellows they make. (The enemy of my enemy is my friend).

9 posted on 06/12/2014 11:39:49 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: wastedyears
You send these people on a one-way trip into the sun, they’d wonder why it’s getting hotter and brighter.

. They wouldn't wonder at all. They would know it was caused by burning fossil fuels.

10 posted on 06/12/2014 11:49:00 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: WilliamIII

If Saddam Hussein were alive, he’d be dead by now.


11 posted on 06/12/2014 11:50:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Mogger

I recall Iraqi generals captured after the war and they couldn’t understand why the chemical weapons had not been used. Doesn’t necessarily mean they had chemical weapons, but even their own generals thought they had them.


12 posted on 06/12/2014 11:53:19 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: WilliamIII

http://conservativereport.org/iraq-war-clinton-hussein-wmd-al-qaeda/


13 posted on 06/12/2014 11:59:09 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: TigerClaws

Yeah, because they just *loved* us before that.


14 posted on 06/13/2014 12:07:03 AM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: WilliamIII

“”Gore criticizes Bush for ignoring Iraq’s ties to terrorism.””

1992 video about weapons of mass destruction, and as a base for terror operations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64


15 posted on 06/13/2014 12:09:43 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: P-Marlowe

Same thought I had.


16 posted on 06/13/2014 12:12:31 AM PDT by KJC1 (When you are dealing with the devil, the only answer is God.)
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To: WilliamIII
Chafee is such a wus. In the dictionary under stupid is a picture of Chafee grabbing his ankles. RI gets what they deserve. Maybe they can wrap bandages for the radical Islamics the way they did for the Vietnam Cong.
17 posted on 06/13/2014 12:34:33 AM PDT by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: wastedyears

Shouldn’t it be night soon?


18 posted on 06/13/2014 12:36:21 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? ?)
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To: Mogger

Whoa, facts have no place here! It’s all about the narrative!


19 posted on 06/13/2014 12:39:47 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? ?)
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To: WilliamIII

20 posted on 06/13/2014 12:40:59 AM PDT by Fear The People (When the government fears the people, you have LIBERTY.)
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To: P-Marlowe

LOL!!!


21 posted on 06/13/2014 1:04:27 AM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: WilliamIII

soooo,
Bush won the war in Iraq and obammy gave it away.
Pretty simple deal.


22 posted on 06/13/2014 2:04:17 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: WilliamIII

A-holes like Chaffee need to keep their mouths shut about matters that are far beyond their understanding.

Iraq was progressing pretty well until Obama decided to pull all US military and not get a Status of Forces agreement, just so he could claim a “political” success for “ending a war”. ...Decisions opposed by his military Generals.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 2:09:01 AM PDT by octex
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To: ansel12

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2008_09/IraqUranium


24 posted on 06/13/2014 2:10:33 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Joe Boucher; WilliamIII

Link at bottom.
Bush and Cheney were right about Sadaam purchases of nuclear materials, and I have tried to show that Yellow Cake used to make Nuclear Bombs was found in the Iraq desert near Iran border during the WAR. It was secretly guarded for 3 years and then sold to a Canadian company....Bush did not lie.

Then there was the TV satellite image shown on Fox News during 6 months we waited to invade Iraq of a convoy of trucks going into Syria from Iraq...no telling what was in those trucks, but I bet ISIS is using those weapons now, and that is why the berm between Syria and Iraq was bulldozed this past week to let those trucks back into Iraq.

Americans seem to have taken stupid pills the past ten years....considering the duds they have elected.

YOU are right, it’s simple, but even Repubs don’t seem to get it right... they are so programed by Democrat Media lies and Fox News gets it wrong at times too.

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2008_09/IraqUranium


25 posted on 06/13/2014 2:18:27 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: 21twelve

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2008_09/IraqUranium

Bush found the yellow cake and kept military guards on it until it was sold to Canada company....media ignored it, except for AP and Canada Free Press.


26 posted on 06/13/2014 2:20:41 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: octex

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3868

and see comment #24 for another link.


27 posted on 06/13/2014 2:26:28 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: 21twelve

I recall Iraqi generals captured after the war and they couldn’t understand why the chemical weapons had not been used. Doesn’t necessarily mean they had chemical weapons, but even their own generals thought they had them.
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Wasn’t there an Iraqi AF General that wrote a book that revealed that most of the WMDs had been flown or trucked into Syria while the US was moving assets to the area before the attack began? .....Why did that story die?


28 posted on 06/13/2014 2:32:10 AM PDT by octex
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To: octex

On TV (Fox?) there was a satellite image of a convoy of trucks going into Syria from Iraq, just as the US had announced we would be going into Iraq. Most of us with any sense knew that would be as many of the WMDs that could be transported, and I think I sent you a link on the sale of the Yellow Cake Bush military found and sold to Canada during the War.

So maybe in the book, but seen by some via satellite image, self included.


29 posted on 06/13/2014 2:48:55 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat

Then there was the TV satellite image shown on Fox News during 6 months we waited to invade Iraq of a convoy of trucks going into Syria from Iraq....Also, during the original invasion there was a convoy of Russian diplomats with Iraqui trucks who were fired upon and stopped but our State Department told the military to allow it to go on, unimpeded to Syria. What was in those Iraqui trucks. I remember Rumsfeldt went ballistic telling the State Department to stay out of military business. MSM subsequentially shut off all reporting on this,even though a Russian ‘ambassador’ was reportedly killed.


30 posted on 06/13/2014 2:56:19 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: WilliamIII

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/12/us-usa-afghanistan-detainees-idUSKBN0EN2D820140612


31 posted on 06/13/2014 3:17:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: WilliamIII

This from the arm pit of the country,is there anything from Rhode Island that is worth a Damn?
I guess this jerk is looking for attention


32 posted on 06/13/2014 3:18:56 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: F15Eagle

That guy looks like a gargoyle!


33 posted on 06/13/2014 3:26:45 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: WilliamIII

At the risk of being flamed and/or banned....

I tend to agree with this statement.

But then I also believe the overthrow in Egypt and Syria by the operatives of the 0bama regime are just as freakin’ deadly too.

As sad as it is to the human condition, when a false theology is forced upon a semi-willing people (islam), the result seems to be the “need” for heavy handed leaders.

I have long contemplated the fall of Saddam Hussein and his use of weapons against his own people. Perhaps, just perhaps, these are the very forces he was keeping in check and what we got handed over and over via the liberal media was propaganda. Where we wage nice war and avoid civilians...Hussein waged war as it should be done in their culture, the only way it is truly understood?

Blame Bush? No, this has been a very long time in coming to full fruition going all the way back to before I was old enough to vote(1970’s). We are seeing the result of decades of failed foreign policy in the middle east. There is so much we(government) know and yet...can’t or won’t talk about openly & honestly. From the actual role of UAE and their closed societies to terrorists, because to do so would be so politically incorrect and we have no way to prosecute a proper war against a theocracy without the liberal left prosecuting us for violating our own ideal of ‘freedom of religion.’

We have no way to fight against a religious crusade. We use phrases in our own culture to ‘follow the money’ and indeed we can do that these days. Most of the middle east money flows to either The House of Saud or Iran and both are sponsors of their jihadi mercenaries. Gitmo, enemy combatants etc. are all just words to avoid having to deal with the reality of Islamic war.

Our failure and for this I do blame Bush, is the failure to truly define the enemy...Islam. We wage war against the sponsors of terrorism? The sponsors of terrorism are those who support Islam and all the forms of their multitude of proxy wars.

Blame Bush? Blame Clinton, Blame Reagan, Blame Carter, Blame GW Bush, Blame 0bama...? Or do we, should we actually blame the 1st Amendment and our principal of Freedom of Religion, for not being able to fight back against a theocracy in all its forms?


34 posted on 06/13/2014 3:30:39 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: Kackikat
Then there was the TV satellite image shown on Fox News during 6 months we waited to invade Iraq of a convoy of trucks going into Syria from Iraq.

Their was a story from back then...

Google had their satellite up and had a 20 something braniac PHD running it. Board one day or night he starts aiming the camera on the Syrian Iraqi boarder. Lookie here, he see's a convoy.

Maybe I am not the best at searching, but I bet a dollar to donuts the story has been scrubbed from the web. It was posted and a thread here on FR.

We also had a screen poster and intel type that noted they gave the clown gas to the Syrians and the Spetnaz etc. flew into Iraq and took the nasty stuff back to Russia during that who UN Stall move with the French guy who's name escapes me was running the block because his kid had contracts with the Iraqi's.

IMHO Bush was too much of a gentlemen to get into the weeds of what we found or speculated about, some of it may have been about his budding relationship with Putty-Put-Putin who has turned out to be an even bigger snake in the grass than we could have ever imagined...

35 posted on 06/13/2014 3:35:15 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: taildragger

Thanks for the background info on the convoy....I saw the satelllite images...


36 posted on 06/13/2014 3:40:00 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Safetgiver

We have had traitors in the State Department for years, and the appointments by Ozero of Muslims in house has made it worse...

Homeland Security is behind this influx of children from Central America, so we are fighting the enemy within.


37 posted on 06/13/2014 3:44:21 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat
"Bush found the yellow cake and kept military guards on it until it was sold to Canada company....media ignored it, except for AP and Canada Free Press"

Check this old article, third paragraph from the bottom it states that 1.8 tons had already been enriched.

http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040522/news_1n22uranium.html

Also, if you can view .wmv videos, here is one from back in 2004 regarding John Kerry's position before he was against the war...


Click on Image to Watch 2 Mb .wmv Video of Kerry  saying the reason for invading Iraq was 'Not Weapons of Mass Destruction'
click the Image to watch the video

Transcript: (John Kerry on "Face the Nation" 9/15/02")

I would disagree with John McCain, that it's actual weapons of mass destruction that may be used against us, it's what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that uh, I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups and invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It's the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat.

(John Kerry on "Hardball 9/17/02")

But the President, as I also wrote in that article, always reserves the right to act unilaterally to protect the interest of our country.

If you have the bandwidth, here is the LINK to the better, longer, larger video. This is a 3:35 long, 4 Mb .wmv Video.

38 posted on 06/13/2014 3:59:10 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: DocRock

Thanks for the info, it sure seems this Administration including Kerry and the Democrats had to do a lot of backpedaling to get to their position on Iraq now.


39 posted on 06/13/2014 4:24:16 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: cashless

Good article here on RI.

The Bluest State
Decades of liberal policies have made Rhode Island the nation’s basket case.
http://www.city-journal.org/2014/24_2_rhode-island.html

Chaffee is just the latest in a succession of idiots.


40 posted on 06/13/2014 4:32:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: WilliamIII
Governor Chafee said Wednesday that the George W. Bush administration kicked “a hornets’ nest” with its 2003 invasion of Iraq, an act that unleashed sectarian divisions among Iraqis that are playing out today as militants continue to wrest control of territory from the faltering government of Nouri al-Maliki.

Governor Chafee also could have said that the Steelers would have won the Super Bowl last year if ... [you fill in the blanks].

If "ifs and buts" were "peanuts and nuts" what a party we would have!

The blame game will never end for the Democrats.

41 posted on 06/13/2014 4:44:24 AM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: Fear The People

LOL!!!!!!!!!!


42 posted on 06/13/2014 4:52:42 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: WilliamIII

Rhode Island is one of the NeoEuropa states that should be purged from the Union.


43 posted on 06/13/2014 4:54:27 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: WilliamIII
How short memories have gotten. In 1998 Bill Clinton launched a cruise missile strike on a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan. Supposedly it was manufacturing chemical weapons with the assistance of Iraqi chemical weapons experts. That administration consistently maintained Hussein violated UN weapons agreements and was stockpiling chemical materials. But it was Bush who lied, right?

As far as the regime change angle goes, it's not too difficult to understand unless you're purposely ignorant. The idea was to give people freedom and they'll choose the right path. Problem is, with the exception of Israel, no nation in the region seems capable of responsible democratic self rule. Blame them for squandering the opportunity, not Bush for providing it for them.

44 posted on 06/13/2014 5:05:38 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: EBH

I agree...


45 posted on 06/13/2014 5:10:10 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: WilliamIII

Lets not forget the gravity given unresolved threats post 9-11 and how that fit in to the Bush administration’s calculus. The situation over there was getting worse while the political resolve among western nations was being undermined by Saddam’s bribery of senior UN officials. Bush had himself in a pickle. No surprise that the ones who didn’t have to make the tough calls did the least honorable thing. Decades later Chaffee is still heckling from the sidelines. What an A-hole.


46 posted on 06/13/2014 5:19:30 AM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: WilliamIII
How short memories have gotten. In 1998 Bill Clinton launched a cruise missile strike on a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan. Supposedly it was manufacturing chemical weapons with the assistance of Iraqi chemical weapons experts. That administration consistently maintained Hussein violated UN weapons agreements and was stockpiling chemical materials. But it was Bush who lied, right?

As far as the regime change angle goes, it's not too difficult to understand unless you're purposely ignorant. The idea was to give people freedom and they'll choose the right path. Problem is, with the exception of Israel, no nation in the region seems capable of responsible democratic self rule. Blame them for squandering the opportunity, not Bush for providing it for them.

47 posted on 06/13/2014 5:39:21 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: Kackikat

“Media lies “,
And our rather stupid citizens have their heads up their rear ends or buried in the sand and believe whatever is presented to them.
And obammy is the perfect poser to feed them all the B.S. they can take.


48 posted on 06/14/2014 3:05:17 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Joe Boucher

You have hit the nail on the head...and even in the face of actual truth the media will not correct those lies. Why? Because the average American is all tied up in their own lives and never look past the ‘six o’clock news’ for information.


49 posted on 06/14/2014 3:20:47 AM PDT by Kackikat
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