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KATHLEEN PARKER: Armed, Dangerous, and Dead
Lincoln Journal Star ^ | 6/12/14 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 06/13/2014 9:21:53 AM PDT by China Clipper

Edited on 06/13/2014 9:24:49 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- So much for the argument that having more people armed in public places will result in fewer gun deaths.

One of the three killed recently by a Las Vegas couple, Jerad and Amanda Miller, was an armed civilian, Joseph Wilcox. Two police officers who were also killed, Igor Soldo and Alyn Beck, were ambushed while having lunch. Seated in a booth, they had no chance to defend themselves, according to witnesses.


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1 posted on 06/13/2014 9:21:53 AM PDT by China Clipper
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To: China Clipper
This article is so irrational, it isn't even funny. A CCW civilian was shot. Therefore, CCW isn't effective.

Two cops were also shot. Following the article's line of reasoning, armed police aren't effective either.

2 posted on 06/13/2014 9:26:53 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: China Clipper
"Wilcox, who carried a gun, decided to confront the shooter, apparently unaware that Amanda was with Jerad. After he walked past her on his approach toward Jerad, Amanda fatally shot him."

Kathleen Parker should STFU !

A brave man confronted a shooter ... he didn't stop to ask, "Are you alone?"

3 posted on 06/13/2014 9:27:04 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: China Clipper

At one time, kathleen had a salient thought. But that was a long, long, long time ago.


4 posted on 06/13/2014 9:29:36 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: China Clipper
From the article,
"Even as we honor Wilcox appropriately, his death should give pause to any who insist that having more armed citizens is the best defense against a would-be killer. Even if one person were to stop a killer in his tracks, it is not logical to extrapolate the occasional success story as proof of the argument."

Yet, over one case of failure she extrapolates that being armed is of no value.

5 posted on 06/13/2014 9:30:31 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: China Clipper

Yep, and so much for our failed experiment with armed police.


6 posted on 06/13/2014 9:30:33 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: China Clipper

Do these idiots think before making laughably stupid arguments?

-One person surprises a gunman using pepper spray. Liberal gun grabber: See? you don’t need a gun to stop a mass shooting!
Anybody with a sense of logic: would the probability go up or down of stopping the mass shooting with a gun or with pepper spray? DUH!

-Some people with guns get killed because they never see the gunman coming, 2 of them are police officers, and therefore the element of surprise is with the perpetrator, not with the police officers. Liberal gun grabber: so much for guns reducing the number of people killed!
Anybody with a lick of sense: would they be any less dead if they didn’t have guns? Woulnd’t one person with a concealed have had at least a chance to stop the shootings?


7 posted on 06/13/2014 9:31:00 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: China Clipper

Kathleen Parker: Idiot.


8 posted on 06/13/2014 9:31:33 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: China Clipper
Having a gun will not always save your life. There are no guarantees.
We all can figure that out, except those who tie their brains in a knot writing leftist drivel.

9 posted on 06/13/2014 9:31:51 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: China Clipper

“WASHINGTON — So much for the argument that having more people armed in public places will result in fewer gun deaths.”

There are no details at the site but two cops, also, presumably armed, were killed. The title draws the conclusion that it’s useless to be armed because an armed civilian was also killed. I point out this. “Chris Kyle, the author of the best-selling “American Sniper,” and Chad Littlefield, also a veteran, were gunned down Saturday afternoon on the grounds of the expansive Rough Creek Lodge and Resort in Glen Rose, Texas, southwest of Fort Worth, law enforcement officials said.”

If somebody just walks up and shoots you it doesn’t matter if you’re armed, as Kyle was (he was at the range) and that you’re a recent former Seal. Nobody can protect themselves from an assault like that. It’s the gun equivalent of “the knockout game.” If you just walk up and punch somebody with no warning chances are they’ll go down no matter how good a fighter they are.


10 posted on 06/13/2014 9:32:07 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Leaning Right

I have my CCW and I’ll carry when and where I legally can.


11 posted on 06/13/2014 9:35:59 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Gen.Blather

Quite true, but something that is unfortunately often forgotten by those who seem to think guns are magic talismans that protect against all evil.

The big problem, of course, is that the only way having a gun prevents you from being shot is if you shoot the other guy first. Which will get you into really serious trouble unless you can prove you were justified in doing so.

In practical terms, most of the time this means an attacker will get one free shot. Which is fairly often the only shot needed.


12 posted on 06/13/2014 9:38:07 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Leaning Right

Logic and reasoning isn’t one of the liberals’ strong points.


13 posted on 06/13/2014 9:38:26 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: China Clipper

I guarantee the CCW slowed them down, if only for a few instants. These two were out to kill many.


14 posted on 06/13/2014 9:41:00 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: China Clipper

One data point is CERTAINLY enough to draw such conclusions with such certainty...

...isn’t it?

/s


15 posted on 06/13/2014 9:42:06 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: China Clipper

It’s not an argument. It’s a fact. Open carry states, and non-muslim countries with mandatory conscription policies have vastly lower rates of crime.

Robberies at gun stores during working hours are nearly zero. Robberies of liquor stores in states that ban gun ownership is stratospheric.

These guys LOOK for gun free zones, theaters with gun free policies, restaurants and malls with gun free policies.

Just another true believer with unshakable faith that government, especially American government, is a force for good.


16 posted on 06/13/2014 9:44:37 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (.)
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To: China Clipper
Doesn't WALMART prohibit CCW in their stores ?

17 posted on 06/13/2014 9:53:38 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: China Clipper
READ, Kathy:


18 posted on 06/13/2014 9:54:54 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Radicalized via the Internet)
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To: China Clipper

Ambush means attacked by surprise with no chance to defend yourself, armed or not...................


19 posted on 06/13/2014 9:56:23 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: demshateGod

Can anyone manage a coherent thought or argument these days?


20 posted on 06/13/2014 9:58:49 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: demshateGod
Confirmed! ...looked up Idiot in the dictionary.


21 posted on 06/13/2014 9:58:54 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Doesn't WALMART prohibit CCW in their stores ?

In OR, I have never seen a "no guns" sign on a Walmart. If the sign is not there, concealed carry is legal by state law.

I have not seen OC inside a Walmart in OR. Don't know if they have a policy against it of if I just haven't seen it.

Lately I have seen a few people open carrying revolvers with 8" to 12" barrels. I don't know what's up with that, but they are doing it.

22 posted on 06/13/2014 10:27:22 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave

12” barrel is one heck of a statement.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 10:33:01 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Doesn't WALMART prohibit CCW in their stores ?

NO! THEY DO NOT!

24 posted on 06/13/2014 10:38:16 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Leaning Right
Two cops were also shot. Following the article's line of reasoning, armed police aren't effective either.

Spot on!!

Kathleen Parker..."Conservative-In-Name-Only"....
25 posted on 06/13/2014 10:39:51 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: DaxtonBrown

Agreed — the CCW guy made them reconsider the extent of their rampage. He was a hero. We will never know how many lives he saved.


26 posted on 06/13/2014 10:44:09 AM PDT by punknpuss
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Doesn't WALMART prohibit CCW in their stores ?

I was at a WalMart in PA a few months ago. I saw a man open-carrying a holstered pistol, walking his cart down the aisle. Nobody bothered him.

27 posted on 06/13/2014 10:45:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Doesn't WALMART prohibit CCW in their stores?

Friday, April 16,1999 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: Firearms
Thank you for contacting Wal-Mart regarding our concealed handgun policy. Wal-Mart was founded by Sam Walton on three basic principles. Strive for Excellence, Service to our Customers, and Respect for the Individual. It is that respect for the individual that led us to create the current policy pertaining to concealed handguns.

The following is our policy......If a Wal-Mart customer has been awarded a concealed handgun license by the state government, Wal-Mart will follow the direction of the state. However, if at anytime while on Wal-Mart property, that customer's concealed weapon becomes visible to Wal-Mart associates or customers, Wal-Mart reserves the right to ask the customer to either reposition the weapon so that it will not be visible, to remove the weapon completely or to leave Wal-Mart property, With the exception of law enforcement personnel, Wal-Mart does not allow any exposed weapons to be worn or carried in public view on Wal-Mart property or in Wal-Mart stores. Customers other than law enforcement personnel wearing or carrying a weapon in an exposed manner will be asked to leave the property immediately.

We appreciate your concern and trust that this message has addressed your concerns regarding this issue.

Thank you,

Wal-Mart Stores, Inc."

28 posted on 06/13/2014 10:46:48 AM PDT by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There's one there, right next to the potatoes!)
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To: Leaning Right
Gee, Kathy dear, maybe it didn't dawn in your pretty little blonde head of yours the CCW holder was taking proper aim to insure he didn't hit an innocent bystanders like your antigun friends accuse gunowners of doing...

Should've "sprayed and prayed like many professional LEOs do, , huh, Kathy dear,
29 posted on 06/13/2014 10:48:47 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I believe her logical flaw in this case is called reductio ad absurdum TC
30 posted on 06/13/2014 10:50:04 AM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: RinaseaofDs

Yeah, Parker is looking at a single datapoint in a single scenario (spree shooting) that is used to support CCW and gun rights.

First, there are LOTS of other scenarios, including self defense against an individual attack (assault, rape, robbery, carjacking, etc) and home invasion.

In the case of spree killing chances are CCW isn’t going to act as a deterrent to the shooting. In all likelihood the spree killers have already made a decision to die. So CCW is a limiting factor that prevents further loss of life once a spree killer starts shooting. Either by killing the spree killer, convincing them that it’s time to off themselves, or by buying time for the cops or other armed citizens to show up.


31 posted on 06/13/2014 10:57:09 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: China Clipper

32 posted on 06/13/2014 11:01:14 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: Leaning Right

By that logic, cops are twice as ineffective as a CCW.


33 posted on 06/13/2014 11:06:16 AM PDT by themidnightskulker
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To: China Clipper

Yes the armed citizen made a tactical error.
No one ever said that every armed citizen is a fictional Chuck Norris character.


34 posted on 06/13/2014 11:53:35 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American - Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Doesn't WALMART prohibit CCW in their stores ?

No, and I know five of their employees who carry concealed while working.

35 posted on 06/13/2014 11:54:54 AM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: OldMissileer; China Clipper; PapaBear3625; VRWCmember; CurlyDave
U-2012>Doesn't WALMART prohibit CCW in their stores ?

No, and I know five of their employees who carry concealed while working.

I ask because my Walmart here in Taos NM
has "No Guns" blah blah signs.

36 posted on 06/13/2014 2:35:52 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
I ask because my Walmart here in Taos NM has "No Guns" blah blah signs.

It sounds as if there is no official policy at the corporate level so it is the decision of every General Manager.

37 posted on 06/13/2014 4:33:27 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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