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Here We Go Again — Another Phony ‘Gay’ Gene Study
BarbWire ^ | Jeff Allen

Posted on 06/13/2014 1:27:25 PM PDT by Woodland

A study conducted earlier this year is being manipulatively utilized by LGBTQ activists to promote their pro-homosexual propaganda. After testing the DNA of 400 “gay” men in the U.S., scientists claim that they have found more evidence for the genetic causation of sexual orientation. However, they are now conveniently replacing the phrase “caused by” with “influenced, affected by” or “contributes to.” Unless paying close attention, the undiscerning reader might not notice the intentionally nuanced language. Moreover, the results of this new research, like all of the other studies that preceded it, are not compelling.

The UK Guardian, reporting that “at least two chromosomes affect whether a man was ‘gay’ or straight,” describes the specific conclusions of the research.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gay; gaygene; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; lgbt

1 posted on 06/13/2014 1:27:25 PM PDT by Woodland
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To: Woodland

HOMOSEXUAL, because there’s nothing GAY about it.


2 posted on 06/13/2014 1:29:36 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

That’s why conservatives put “gay” in quotes.


3 posted on 06/13/2014 1:30:57 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Woodland

So wait - are they saying some day there could be a genetic test for homosexuality - which could potentially lead to aborting them in womb?

Liberals heads will explode with confusion.


4 posted on 06/13/2014 1:30:59 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Woodland

Barbwire is a new site that pretty much lets the most virulently stupid leftists post almost unhindered. Check out some of the comments if you have the stomach for it.


5 posted on 06/13/2014 1:32:27 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Woodland

Hard to see how such a gene could be adaptive enough to be perpetuated.


6 posted on 06/13/2014 1:33:23 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Woodland

So, therefore, future gene therapy will eliminate the “disability” from the developing fetus, just as science hopes to end other birth defects. Perhaps, rather than gay marriage they should be able to apply for disability?


7 posted on 06/13/2014 1:38:12 PM PDT by Trapper6012
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To: Woodland

See, this proves once again, that we don’t know what causes homosexuality. In spite of the Hollywood idiots such as Lady Gag singing that they are born that way, we don’t know for sure what the cause is.


8 posted on 06/13/2014 1:39:15 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Woodland

So their sample was 400 homosexual men, and no heterosexual men, but they claim a genetic basis?

The study is inherently flawed - no control group to show differentiation.


9 posted on 06/13/2014 1:40:58 PM PDT by MortMan ("Homeland" may be a documentary.)
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To: Woodland

I think Rick Perry just said that there was a “gay” gene, in so many words.


10 posted on 06/13/2014 1:42:04 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Woodland
Would not the theory of ‘Evolution” dictate that a “Gay Gene” be eliminated from the “Gene Pool”?
11 posted on 06/13/2014 1:42:09 PM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: Woodland
...pulatively utilized by LGBTQ activists to promote their pro-homosexual propaganda. After testing the DNA of 400 “gay” men in the U.S., scientists claim that they have found more evidence for the genetic causation of sexual orientation...and yet when Rick Perry commented a few days ago that homosexuality was like alcoholism in that both were caused by a genetic factor, he outraged the gay and liberal communities - apparently even when conservatives say what they want to hear these types can't be happy.....
12 posted on 06/13/2014 1:45:32 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Dilbert San Diego
See, this proves once again, that we don’t know what causes homosexuality.

I think we do know - homosexuality is a defect of biology. All humans start off as females. We 'become' male or female. Sometimes the transition doesn't work. We see hermaphrodites. Their body is confused.

They have no choice - they were born that way.

But that doesn't mean people can't be conditioned or trained to accept a defective lifestyle.

13 posted on 06/13/2014 1:47:40 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Woodland

The twine studies are pretty definitive. Identical twins non only have the same genomes, but experienced the same intrauterine environment. Thus there is NO EVIDENCE that either genetics or “hormone effects in the womb” make anyone “born gay”.

Instead of genetics, these people need to focus on the spiritual realm when they are looking for answers as to what makes people “gay”. But they’re unwilling to do so, for obvious reasons.


14 posted on 06/13/2014 1:52:16 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: FatherofFive
All humans start off as females. We 'become' male or female.

I've heard this crap spouted only by homosexual activists, but never by real scientists. Do you have an objective source?

The sex chromosome, XX or XY, determines sex. Saying that "all humans start off as females" directly contradicts this proven fact.

15 posted on 06/13/2014 1:54:24 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Woodland

Is it not the case that people that admitted to experiencing same sex attraction or desire have through deliberate acts of will resisted and rejected such feelings, and by their own volition have succeeded in affirming and strengthening their heterosexual attitudes and behaviors?


16 posted on 06/13/2014 1:56:27 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: FatherofFive

Hermaphroditism is different from homosexuality. Hermaphroditism is caused by biological factors—homosexuality is not!

Hermaphrodites usually are treated surgically soon after birth, and also may receive hormonal therapy. Then they usually act and feel as either males or females—not “intersexes” or “gays”.


17 posted on 06/13/2014 1:58:20 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Woodland

I think a small percentage of queers are perverts because they are born that way. I believe in the homosexual gene.

BUT, I think MOST homos are that way through choice because its the politically correct thing to do.


18 posted on 06/13/2014 2:13:25 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: Honorary Serb

Your statement agrees with what I’ve read too.

I don’t know anything about homosexual males, but I know, and have known quite a few homosexual women. Every one of them were sexually abused as young children. I don’t know why this isn’t studied.


19 posted on 06/13/2014 2:21:14 PM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: Woodland

So does that mean there’s a bisexual gene?


20 posted on 06/13/2014 2:32:48 PM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: Woodland

Let them find the “gay gene”. Watch abortion stop once they get moved to the front of the line.


21 posted on 06/13/2014 2:40:13 PM PDT by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: Falcon4.0

That would seem logical and that homosexuality would be a learned or cultural (Greek) behavior. Personally I’d think abuse in the home should explain some rejection of normal sex roles. One instance I’ve seen was where the father was a completely vile person. Neither his son or daughter had a chance. I have no evidence the abuse included sexual abuse. The mother was very weak and not bright. Both kids adopted “gay” lifestyles. The boy may have had a sex change operation by now. Very disturbing.


22 posted on 06/13/2014 3:16:45 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Woodland

They will say anything to justify the existence of sin. Pure and simple.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 3:27:51 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: FatherofFive; Dilbert San Diego

It is a mental illness the same as bestiality, pedophilia, necrophilia and all the other sexual illnesses.


24 posted on 06/13/2014 3:36:06 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: ZULU
I believe in the homosexual gene.

My Genes Made Me Do It Ch 1

Hamer said: “We have not found the gene—which we don’t think exists—for sexual orientation.” Hamer knew that any attempt to argue the existence of a “homosexual gene”—a single, apparently autocratic, gene governing homosexuality—is nonsense, geneti cally. There is no single gene governing sexual preference or any other preference. There is no gene for smoking, dancing, or making sarcastic remarks.

My Genes Made Me Do It CH 9

The scientific community realises that “our genes do not make us do it”. Hamer has always believed that. To give him the last word: “There will never be a test that will say for certain whether a child will be gay. We know that for certain.” This means as clearly as anyone could state, that no-one is born gay.

25 posted on 06/13/2014 3:48:02 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: fwdude
The sex chromosome, XX or XY, determines sex. Saying that "all humans start off as females" directly contradicts this proven fact.

He's right. Sex isn't decided until the XX or XY chromosome manifests, which is on the 26th day of gestation. IF the XX activates, everything proceeds as it had been. If the XY activates, all kinds of changes take place.

26 posted on 06/13/2014 4:22:03 PM PDT by Tonytitan
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What about the genetic disposition of murderers and pedophiles? Is that relevant?


27 posted on 06/13/2014 4:23:13 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: MortMan; Woodland; Honorary Serb; ZULU
9 So their sample was 400 homosexual men, and no heterosexual men, but they claim a genetic basis? The study is inherently flawed - no control group to show differentiation.

14 The twine studies are pretty definitive. Identical twins non only have the same genomes, but experienced the same intrauterine environment. Thus there is NO EVIDENCE that either genetics or “hormone effects in the womb” make anyone “born gay”. ...

18 ... I believe in the homosexual gene. ...

5/13/2013 - Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality Is Not Genetic

Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last 2 decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way. “At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent 4 years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and 1 twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay. “Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by 1 of the twins and not the other. For example, 1 twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The 1st very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead. “Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but 1 of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be. “Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual. Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.

Even more remarkable, most of the changes occur without counseling or therapy. “These changes are not therapeutically induced, but happen ‘naturally’ in life, some very quickly,” Dr. Whitehead observes. “Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.”

Numbers of people who have changed towards exclusive heterosexuality are greater than current numbers of bisexuals and homosexuals combined. In other words, ex-gays outnumber actual gays.

The fluidity is even more pronounced among adolescents, as Bearman and Brueckner’s study demonstrated. “They found that from 16 to 17-years-old, if a person had a romantic attraction to the same sex, almost all had switched 1 year later.”

“The authors were pro-gay and they commented that the only stability was among the heterosexuals, who stayed the same year after year. Adolescents are a special case—generally changing their attractions from year to year.”

Still, many misconceptions persist in the popular culture. Namely, that homosexuality is genetic – so hard-wired into one’s identity that it can’t be changed. “The academics who work in the field are not happy with the portrayals by the media on the subject,” Dr. Whitehead notes. “But they prefer to stick with their academic research and not get involved in the activist side.”

28 posted on 06/13/2014 4:36:39 PM PDT by MacNaughton (Marcus Tullius Cicero: "A nation ... cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: MacNaughton

How do you explain queer voice and mannerisms


29 posted on 06/13/2014 5:14:01 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Bisexuality?


30 posted on 06/13/2014 5:15:31 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: Falcon4.0

No. Bisexuality or the fact that it a rare aberrant mutation might explain it


31 posted on 06/13/2014 5:17:11 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: ZULU

It’s an affectation. I’ve seen them “turn it off”.


32 posted on 06/13/2014 5:27:24 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DJ MacWoW

My wrists can’t move like that. Fortunately it would interfere with my gun hand.


33 posted on 06/13/2014 5:36:20 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: ZULU

It doesn’t matter if you can “limp wrist” or not, some of them can and do. Keep in mind not all of them affect feminine mannerisms.


34 posted on 06/13/2014 5:38:35 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: fwdude

Some homosexual group said homosexual was an insulting word to use.


35 posted on 06/13/2014 6:27:41 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: wolfpat

Every one? Whoa! I know homosexuals say they weren’t all sexually abused.


36 posted on 06/13/2014 6:31:14 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: Woodland

There probably is a gene that makes faggotry more likely, but so what? There is a genetic factor in many mental illnesses.


37 posted on 06/13/2014 10:17:44 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: NetAddicted

I just know that the 35 or 40 that I’ve talked to for any length of time all have memories of sexual abuse from about 3 years old.


38 posted on 06/14/2014 8:27:49 AM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: wolfpat

I’ve seen some studies that show a high percentage of homosexuals were sexualized at a young age, but homosexuals denied the studies. Don’t know why they want all kids sexualized in classrooms.


39 posted on 06/14/2014 7:04:14 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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