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Kit Carson Park in New Mexico renamed over American Indian concerns
Fox ^ | 6/13/2014

Posted on 06/13/2014 4:01:04 PM PDT by Altura Ct.

A northern New Mexico town council has voted to change the name of Kit Carson Park over concerns by critics that the famed scout and explorer was cruel to American Indians.

The Taos Town Council passed a resolution Tuesday to rename the downtown park Red Willow following a presentation from activists, the Albuquerque Journal reports.

Council member Fritz Hahn said one American Indian activist felt uncomfortable in the park, which is named after someone who egregiously hurt her people. "We have got to heal the wreckage of the past, and Kit Carson is part of that," Hahn said

Carson, who died in in 1868, is buried in the cemetery at the park and his name is all over Taos. He largely is known as an explorer, trapper, soldier and American Indian agent.

But Carson was ordered by the U.S. Army to relocate around 8,000 Navajo men, women and children 300 miles from Arizona to Fort Sumner, New Mexico, on what's called the "Long Walk." An estimated 200 Navajos died from cold and starvation after traveling in brutal and harsh winter conditions for almost two months.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; americanindians; kitcarson; kitcarsonpark; liberalfascism; namesake; purge
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1 posted on 06/13/2014 4:01:04 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

What a crock! Didn’t we give them beads and firewater?


2 posted on 06/13/2014 4:02:51 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Slump Tester

True, but they fought back with sending us Lizzie Warren


3 posted on 06/13/2014 4:03:47 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Slump Tester
What a crock! Didn’t we give them beads and firewater?

And disease and Casinos?

4 posted on 06/13/2014 4:03:53 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Altura Ct.

Taos should stand on their principles and give their entire city back to the natives.


5 posted on 06/13/2014 4:04:04 PM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Navajos really dislike Kit Carson.


6 posted on 06/13/2014 4:04:31 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Due to the high price of ammo, no warning shot will be fired.)
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To: Altura Ct.

I heard the Texas Rangers and Texas settlers had to kill a lot of indians that were raiding and killing settlers.

I guess we should rename Texas, La Raza.


7 posted on 06/13/2014 4:04:31 PM PDT by KC Burke (Gowdy for Supreme Court)
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To: Altura Ct.

They gonna rename the capital of Nevada too?


8 posted on 06/13/2014 4:04:51 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Altura Ct.

“...one American Indian activist felt uncomfortable in the park...”

Is this satire?


9 posted on 06/13/2014 4:05:17 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Do I hear any objections over naming America after Amerigo Vespucci?


10 posted on 06/13/2014 4:05:55 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Altura Ct.

I despise these people and their stupid idiotic PC crap!!


11 posted on 06/13/2014 4:06:49 PM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary & remove the son of a kenyan mooslimb)
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To: Altura Ct.

This is so frickin sad.


12 posted on 06/13/2014 4:07:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Altura Ct.

I live in the Carson Valley within 1/4 mile of the Carson River. To the west of me is the Carson Range that rises to over 10,000 feet. 15 miles to the north is Carson City which is the capital of the state where I live. I suspect that we will have visitors soon.

CC


13 posted on 06/13/2014 4:08:29 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: Altura Ct.

A nation of pathetic deracinated wimps.

Lets all kill ourselves & pretend we never existed.


14 posted on 06/13/2014 4:09:13 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers. Must erase history of white privilege and replace it with history of gangbangers.


15 posted on 06/13/2014 4:09:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Altura Ct.

“But Carson was ordered by the U.S. Army to relocate around 8,000 Navajo men, women and children 300 miles from Arizona to Fort Sumner, New Mexico, on what’s called the “Long Walk.” An estimated 200 Navajos died from cold and starvation after traveling in brutal and harsh winter conditions for almost two months.”

The article doesn’t mention that he was out of the army and back home at the time of the ‘Long Walk’.

KC married into and lived with the Indians. It was tough back in those days but he fought against the Indians and at the same time tried to treat them in a humane manner.

KC was a good man and shouldn’t be vilified in this manner.


16 posted on 06/13/2014 4:11:35 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Altura Ct.
one American Indian activist felt uncomfortable in the park

So we have another example of a majority of one -- where one person can cause change because, in this case, he/she felt uncomfortable.

PC - winning inch by inch.
17 posted on 06/13/2014 4:12:15 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Altura Ct.

Don’t rename the prk, shoot every indian tht enters it.


18 posted on 06/13/2014 4:15:37 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: TomGuy

we better start making a list and raising hell about things real Americans are uncomfortable with.

we also better start applying the Reagan doctrine if we are going to save this republic - “We Win - they lose”


19 posted on 06/13/2014 4:15:46 PM PDT by kingattax (a real American would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Gee, without Kit Carson, I wonder where non-Native American Fritz Hahn might be living right about now.

Frankfurt? Dusseldorf?

Maybe he could self repatriate and leave the keys to his lovely Taos home for some deserving Zuni.


20 posted on 06/13/2014 4:16:32 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Captain Compassion

Johnny Carson must have felt honored.

As for the one Indian who complained about the name of the Park, you’ve done more damage to the American Indian than Carson did because you’ve made me not give a damn any more (and I am going to be involved in some Indian affairs in the future).

Washington Redskins forever. Or in the alternative the Washington Foreskins.

Daniel Sterling: At least he had the balls to tell his prostitute mistress to keep her promiscuity in check.

NBA commissioner Silver. A little Hitler without the moustache.

NO MORE CASINOS FOR INDIANS. Let them get a job from the Obama employment program for Native American, transgendered polygamous Democrats, at minimum wage.

I’m tired of all this PC crap. We need to take the libs and leftists on, head-on, and kick their marxist asses back to Moscow, Havana, Peking and Hanoi.

This is our country and we are going to take it back!


21 posted on 06/13/2014 4:16:37 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MeganC
"There yuh go."


22 posted on 06/13/2014 4:17:01 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: TexasGator

Actually, only 200 out of 8,000 is not a bad number
for that place and time, surprising really.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 4:18:38 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: dalereed
If he was uncomfortable why was he in the park? So does he hang out in homo bars or does he feel comfortable there
24 posted on 06/13/2014 4:19:49 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Altura Ct.

I was recently listening to a 1930’s radio show on Kit Carson/ frontier heroes on Sirius XM Radio Classics and thought that show would NEVER be made today.


25 posted on 06/13/2014 4:20:30 PM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: TomGuy

This reminds me of when New Orleans deleted the name of George Washington school.> School officials didn’t want a school named after someone who owned slaves. Presumably it was hurting the self esteem of black students. The school was renamed after some allegedly historic African king, which greatly boosted self esteem among black students. No word on whether this move helped student achievement in one of America’s worst performing school districts.


26 posted on 06/13/2014 4:20:30 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Altura Ct.
one American Indian activist felt uncomfortable in the park
But not uncomfortable enough to move out of her air-conditioned home and sleep in a teepee.
27 posted on 06/13/2014 4:21:12 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: luvbach1

“Do I hear any objections over naming America after Amerigo Vespucci?”

Yes! We should have named it Vespuccia!


28 posted on 06/13/2014 4:21:45 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Altura Ct.

“got to heal the wreckage of the past, and Kit Carson is part of that,”

Reparations are in the mail.


29 posted on 06/13/2014 4:25:43 PM PDT by vwbug
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To: Altura Ct.

I’m going to go to the park and tell them that I’m uncomfortable with the new name. I’ll think of a victim-like reason.


30 posted on 06/13/2014 4:26:35 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Altura Ct.

We will soon name things like they do in China: People’s Park #10. Shanghai Railroad Station #2. So on...


31 posted on 06/13/2014 4:28:38 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Altura Ct.

Someday the name America is going to be changed.


32 posted on 06/13/2014 4:30:23 PM PDT by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Hehehehehehehehe.......George Washington Carver....Hehehehehehehehe”


33 posted on 06/13/2014 4:39:19 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Altura Ct.

Wow, we have a Kir Carson Pass here in California. Maybe we can get it re-named for Martin Luther King. Then no one will be able to use it because it will become a Black Ghetto. Or better still, name it after one of the Indian Casino Managers.


34 posted on 06/13/2014 4:39:25 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: GingisK

Red Willow... brings back horrible memories of being whipped bloody with willow switches.

The horror. The horror.

(fall down and start shaking, blood curdling screams)


35 posted on 06/13/2014 4:40:05 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: KC Burke

Let’s start fixing history by documenting every Indian slaughter of settlers ...and other Indians too.


36 posted on 06/13/2014 4:45:51 PM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Flycatcher

And rename the Grand Tetons because the fems find it offensive.


37 posted on 06/13/2014 4:49:30 PM PDT by glyptol
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To: Slump Tester

Well, then, why not name a park in your hometown Adolf Hitler Plaza? What a very stupid question you have asked.


38 posted on 06/13/2014 4:54:12 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: seeker41

I don’t suppose Indian people are thrilled with your racist hatred and crap, boy. Why don’t you and your people go back to what ever country you came from?


39 posted on 06/13/2014 4:55:45 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Red Willow?

Doesn’t that mean burnished skeeknee people’s?


40 posted on 06/13/2014 4:56:14 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Altura Ct.

Taos isen’t really taos, the entire town is overrun by Rich and famous liberals from both the east and west coast. Causing enormous economic and taxation problems for the original locals.

These outsiders who have flooded the Taos new mexico area often say they came because “the mountain” called them or whatever thinking their somehow mystically there. Its a bunch of crock, and you find the same thing in Santa Fe also in northern New Mexico.


41 posted on 06/13/2014 4:56:52 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Altura Ct.
What the grievance mongers don't want to admit is that Kit Carson, as the agent for Bosque Redondo, fought tirelessly to keep them clothed and fed.

He paid his own way to Washington and made their case to the President and Congress. He canvassed the ranchers in New Mexico and got live cattle donated to the reservation.

Once he had helped defeat them, Kit Carson busted his butt for the Indians' welfare...and this is the thanks he gets from them???

A travesty of history!

42 posted on 06/13/2014 4:59:18 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: dalereed

That’s assinine.

Millions of Americans are part Indian.


43 posted on 06/13/2014 4:59:24 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (June IS "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: righttackle44

Dude, I am not a boy. I am the baddest b_tch you will ever meet! Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


44 posted on 06/13/2014 4:59:39 PM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary & remove the son of a kenyan mooslimb)
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To: TexasGator

Kit Carson was a product of his times and was a “progressive” when it came to Indians (I’m not intentionally slandering him LOL). Like TexasGator said, he was involved with the US Army and to some degree, the Long Walk. But it was in the balance for the best that he was. He was an advocate for Indians, but had a practical and realistic view of what could and could not be done at the time.

I was taught that Carson was basically the Devil. That was wrong.

Oldplayer
Oklahoma Choctaw


45 posted on 06/13/2014 5:00:57 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: Altura Ct.

The ignorance is astounding.

To start with, Kit Carson knew more about the Navajo than they did. With a unit of irregulars, facing a much larger assembly of Navajo warriors, he invented a new military tactic on the fly, and was able to escape with minimal loss.

At the time, the Navajo could field an army, with few disadvantages facing the US army, mostly because they lacked artillery and railroad transport. Horses were much like main battle tanks in that era, and the Navajo had a lot of very good horses.

So Kit Carson, ordered to control the Navajo, reached a very important conclusion: He had one real choice: kill every Navajo horse, or kill every adult male Navajo.

He chose their horses.

In this way, Carson saved thousands of Navajo lives.

Because had they kept their warlike ways, all too soon they would be in combat, not against irregulars, but against the very experienced Union Army, fresh from the Civil War, and lead by General Philip Sheridan.

General Sheridan had rather brutally whipped several major Indian tribes, and had his army fought the Navajo, there would be a heck of a lot of dead Navajo. Even the French army in Mexico, when their forward observers saw Sheridan’s army assemble near the border, suddenly decided that France was a far nicer place to be, so went home. Leaving skid marks.

So Carson was in fact the best thing that ever happened to the Navajo.


46 posted on 06/13/2014 5:09:14 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
School officials didn’t want a school named after someone who owned slaves. Presumably it was hurting the self esteem of black students. The school was renamed after some allegedly historic African king, which greatly boosted self esteem among black students.

Any word on how many slaves the black king owned, and how many he sold to Muslim traders?

47 posted on 06/13/2014 5:17:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Well, they can just eat their poor little pea-pickin’ hearts out over it. Ft. Carson, CO is here to stay.


48 posted on 06/13/2014 5:22:21 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: razorback-bert

“Navajos really dislike Kit Carson.”

This cruel business was a two way street; especially by the warrior tribes such as Comanche, Apache, Sioux, Cheyenne....


49 posted on 06/13/2014 5:24:31 PM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: oldplayer

Yep...he was so progressive toward indians he married a princess from the wolf clan of the cherokee and started the bloodline that begat Fiddlin John Carson...and me.

I am named William after his grandson.


50 posted on 06/13/2014 5:25:26 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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