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Convenient: IRS Has 'Lost' Two Years of Lois Lerner's Emails
Town Hall ^ | Jun 13, 2014 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 06/13/2014 4:15:59 PM PDT by Red Steel

According to the House Ways and Means Committee, the IRS has "lost" two years of emails belonging to former head of tax exempt organizations Lois Lerner. The IRS doesn't have a record of her emails to outside groups or government agencies from January 2009 through April 2011, conveniently encompassing some of the same time when tea party groups were being targeted for extra scrutiny and possible criminal prosecution. The IRS says the loss of emails is due to a "computer crash" and claims emails from or to Lerner from the White House, Democratic members of Congress, the Treasury Department, FEC and Department of Justice cannot be located. They do however have emails belonging to Lerner that she sent to other IRS employees.

“The fact that I am just learning about this, over a year into the investigation, is completely unacceptable and now calls into question the credibility of the IRS’s response to Congressional inquiries. There needs to be an immediate investigation and forensic audit by Department of Justice as well as the Inspector General," Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp said in a statement. “Just a short time ago, Commissioner Koskinen promised to produce all Lerner documents. It appears now that was an empty promise. Frankly, these are the critical years of the targeting of conservative groups that could explain who knew what when, and what, if any, coordination there was between agencies. Instead, because of this loss of documents, we are conveniently left to believe that Lois Lerner acted alone. This failure of the IRS requires the White House, which promised to get to the bottom of this, to do an Administration-wide search and production of any emails to or from Lois Lerner. The Administration has repeatedly referred us back to the IRS for production of materials. It is clear that is wholly insufficient when it comes to determining the full scope of the violation of taxpayer rights.”

Emails belonging to Lerner that were not "lost" have shown that she was in contact with Democratic members of Congress and the Department of Justice about prosecuting tea party groups. Just this week, emails surfaced showing Lerner sent confidential tax information belonging to conservative groups to the FBI for investigation just before the 2010 midterm elections.

According to Camp, this is the first time the IRS has disclosed the loss of emails since the investigation into IRS targeting of conservatives started more than a year ago.

Camp: Learning about this over a year into the investigation is unacceptable & calls into question the credibility of the IRS’s response — Ways and Means (@WaysandMeansGOP) June 13, 2014

UPDATE: Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa responds:

“Isn’t it convenient for the Obama Administration that the IRS now says it has suddenly realized it lost Lois Lerner’s emails requested by Congress and promised by Commissioner John Koskinen? Do they really expect the American people to believe that, after having withheld these emails for a year, they're just now realizing the most critical time period is missing? Congressional oversight has revealed that the IRS has –potentially illegally– shared confidential taxpayer information with the FBI and lost crucial email records even as the agency continues to withhold information by not fully complying with the Committee’s subpoena. Left to the IRS’ own preferences, the White House would still be retelling the lie that this was all about mismanagement confined to a local office. The supposed loss of Lerner’s emails further blows a hole in the credibility of claims that the IRS is complying with Congressional requests and their repeated assurances that they’re working to get to the truth. If there wasn't nefarious conduct that went much higher than Lois Lerner in the IRS targeting scandal, why are they playing these games?"

This post has been updated.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: coverup; criminalconspiracy; criminals; destroyedevidence; gettherope; impeachnow; impeachobama; irs; irsscandals; irsteapartyscandal; lerner; lerneremails; liars; loislerner; obama; smidgen
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LoL. Naaaah OBots....
1 posted on 06/13/2014 4:15:59 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

screw the emails. ABOLISH THE IRS


2 posted on 06/13/2014 4:16:45 PM PDT by kingattax (a real American would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.)
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To: Red Steel

Subpoena the back-up tapes from Iron Mountain.


3 posted on 06/13/2014 4:17:11 PM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Red Steel

Corruption. Duh.


4 posted on 06/13/2014 4:18:24 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Red Steel
SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW, CONGRESSMAN ISSA?

HAVE ANOTHER PRESS CONFERENCE?

Yeah, that'll work.

5 posted on 06/13/2014 4:19:25 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler
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To: Red Steel

Technically impossible..

The amount of dough they have spent on infrastructure over the years should preclude what is claimed to have happened.


6 posted on 06/13/2014 4:19:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Red Steel

These people are perjuring themselves. Backup tapes can be restored.


7 posted on 06/13/2014 4:20:00 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

Anybody with a shred of experience knows this is a blatant lie. This is simply impossible due to the way data is “mirrored” and stored in multiple places and backed up the wazoo.

Simply. Not. Possible.

This is criminal.


8 posted on 06/13/2014 4:21:46 PM PDT by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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To: Red Steel
Camp: Learning about this over a year into the investigation is unacceptable & calls into question the credibility of the IRS’s response

You're so right, Mr. Camp. Perhaps you should ... gee, maybe ... open another investigation??? Yeah! That'll show 'em.

And please, sir, tell us how the "unacceptability" will be dealt with. Outside of blustering and strongly worded letters, that is.

9 posted on 06/13/2014 4:21:55 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Red Steel

Criminals “lose” evidence needed by investigators all the time.

If every white-collar prosecution depended upon information being turned over by the accused, I very much doubt that a single white-collar criminal would ever be convicted of anything.

Prosecutors of white-collar crimes know how to piece together the facts from fragments stored in different places.


10 posted on 06/13/2014 4:22:22 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: kingattax

Next to e I go to an IRS audit I’ll use the same tactic. Bet it won’t ork the other way around...


11 posted on 06/13/2014 4:23:37 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Red Steel
Hey IRS.....Americans have ‘lost’ 2 years of tax records.....we all owe NOTHING.
12 posted on 06/13/2014 4:23:57 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: kingattax

Throw everyone who touched her computer and the mail servers into prison for evidence tampering.


13 posted on 06/13/2014 4:25:04 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Red Steel

Impossible.


14 posted on 06/13/2014 4:25:32 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Red Steel
given that the IRS is the life blood of DC, the last thing anyone in DC, including Issa, wanted is to indict the IRS as a criminal enterprise. They protect their own no matter what.
15 posted on 06/13/2014 4:26:07 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Red Steel

Lock her up and throw away the key!


16 posted on 06/13/2014 4:26:13 PM PDT by yoe
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To: William of Barsoom

I worked for the Federal government for 36 years. It is impossible to lose two years of emails. A few hours worth maybe in extreme circumstances.


17 posted on 06/13/2014 4:26:53 PM PDT by kabar
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To: William of Barsoom
This is simply impossible due to the way data is “mirrored” and stored in multiple places and backed up the wazoo.

Simply. Not. Possible.

This is criminal. So? Does Lois Lerner personally have the expertise to ferret out every fragment of data, from every mirror site, from every RAID array, relating to her two years of missing e-mails?

If not, she had help.

That's a conspiracy.

The penalties for that are steep.

There would have been at least a few different people involved. Someone would have had to coordinate all this activity. There would have been communication between the different individuals who would have had to take separate actions to make this information disappear.

There would be electronic logs. There would have been certificates on CAC cards. There would have been packet loggers.

Find the weak sister. Work up from there.

This is white-collar prosecution 101.

18 posted on 06/13/2014 4:27:05 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Red Steel

I’m cool with this, as long as she’s given a torture penalty until they are produced.

I’m looking to throw Thad Cochran into her cell for a lot of unsupervised years.


19 posted on 06/13/2014 4:27:06 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Red Steel

Issa and Cummings belong in JAIL.

They have allowed this corrupt nightmare
to continue because they are EXEMPT.

EXEMPT from accountability.
EXEMPT from DeathCARE.
EXEMPT from their Oath.


20 posted on 06/13/2014 4:27:06 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Red Steel

Did anyone look on Hillary’s coffee table? Isn’t that where her travel files were found?


21 posted on 06/13/2014 4:27:47 PM PDT by bgill
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To: liberalh8ter
"...we all owe NOTHING. ...Hey! I'll drink to that!
22 posted on 06/13/2014 4:28:12 PM PDT by yoe
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To: Red Steel

IMPEACH THE BASS TURDS!


23 posted on 06/13/2014 4:28:52 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Red Steel
Do we know that they are really "lost," or are they just saying that they're lost?

This is an administration of liars. They were able to produce other Lerner emails before, and the hard drives are not segregated by person, so who else's emails are lost?

I bet that none are really lost. I bet that the Obama administration is lying even now, and that the emails are still there, or at worst are recoverable from back-ups.

-PJ

24 posted on 06/13/2014 4:29:56 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Red Steel

N o t h I n g... W I l l... H a p p e n...

The Tea Party is America’s last, best, political hope.


25 posted on 06/13/2014 4:30:18 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: ConservativeMind

“I know some of you know what that is” that I allude to.


26 posted on 06/13/2014 4:32:12 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Red Steel
Got to be heavy duty, big time bad email info for them to pull something this lame.

Has to directly connect Jarrett or Obummer himself.

27 posted on 06/13/2014 4:33:01 PM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Which makes this “Lost” claim seem incredibly reckless.

Does this now become an insurance liability? How much critical property was lost? Backup systems failed? What other vital records were lost?


28 posted on 06/13/2014 4:34:43 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Red Steel

Surprise, surprise, surprise!


29 posted on 06/13/2014 4:36:11 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Red Steel

Every outfit which was refused the tax exemption because they are Republicans should be able to produce them. And, how about Minnesota which was claimed to be the state responsible for the damage? Will they also claim their records are “lost?”


30 posted on 06/13/2014 4:36:14 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Red Steel

Obstruction of justice, evidence tampering, failure to comply with a lawful subpoena...


31 posted on 06/13/2014 4:36:40 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Red Steel
Recognize the 'pose'?
32 posted on 06/13/2014 4:36:53 PM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Red Steel

The administration just pissed on Issa’s shoes and dared him to do something about it.


33 posted on 06/13/2014 4:38:15 PM PDT by Rifleman
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To: Red Steel
This is the biggest load of poo the media ever gobbled up.

Any kid at the mall with an S-4 phone can find those emails in minutes

34 posted on 06/13/2014 4:41:24 PM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: The Cajun

“Got to be heavy duty, big time bad email info for them to pull something this lame.”

And, most of the country has lost interest in the emails. Bad time for the Resident to bring it up again.


35 posted on 06/13/2014 4:48:02 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: MeganC

I work in IT. This is complete BS


36 posted on 06/13/2014 4:50:50 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HnodredscottIM all things are possible.)
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To: Red Steel

LOL!

Very cute but, not possible to lose this stuf.

Not across a network and most certainly not as they describe the loss...


37 posted on 06/13/2014 4:51:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: William of Barsoom

I work in IT. this is impossible gig backups and considering the NSA is capturing everything.


38 posted on 06/13/2014 4:52:55 PM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: Red Steel
The IRS says the loss of emails is due to a "computer crash" and claims emails from or to Lerner from the White House, Democratic members of Congress, the Treasury Department, FEC and Department of Justice cannot be located.

Ok. Now did the White House, Democratic members of Congress, the Treasury Department, FEC and Department of Justice also experience a "computer crash"? Because all of the messages in question would also be on their servers. Too bad nobody in congress knows how email works.

39 posted on 06/13/2014 4:53:14 PM PDT by Jaxter (If the scandal buck doesn't stop on someone's desk it will eventually overtake Voyager I.)
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To: The Cajun

Only one reason I can think of why Painer doesn’t form a select committee or special counsel: people in Congress have also been screw-tinizing the teaparty groups using the IRS — maybe even Painer himself.


40 posted on 06/13/2014 4:54:57 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU..)
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To: Red Steel

Video from March of an IRS official testifying that the e-mails are archived.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax6QGmKhRwo


41 posted on 06/13/2014 4:57:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Red Steel

They can be found super fast in Cell Block H.


42 posted on 06/13/2014 5:01:41 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: Red Steel

IIRC, the regs about emails require retention for a fairly long time with multiple backup copies for safekeeping.

I think this is a bunch of BS. But whatcha gonna do when the people involved (nobama’s minions) are a bunch of scumbag corruptocrats? I suspect even the IG dept is corrupt.

Lois Lerner needs a 20 year prison term which will be conveniently pardoned by nobamascum.


43 posted on 06/13/2014 5:05:00 PM PDT by upchuck (... honesty is the never-ending rehearsal for those who want to be the friends of God...)
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To: Red Steel

It’s Obama’s fault.


44 posted on 06/13/2014 5:08:44 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog (OBAMA .... .....WORST.... PRESIDENT......EVER)
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To: Red Steel

What are you going to do about it Issa?

Imprison her or shut up you complicit little jerk. Enough theater - GET RESULTS ya pansy.


45 posted on 06/13/2014 5:09:15 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Red Steel

What are the chances that the IRSS will lose their records of me?


46 posted on 06/13/2014 5:09:16 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Rifleman

That’s about the size of it.


47 posted on 06/13/2014 5:13:41 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Red Steel

Nixon picked his nose and wiped it on the flag...
THIS burns the flag... and hangs Lady Liberty in effigy..


48 posted on 06/13/2014 5:14:28 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Red Steel
Democrats tried this excuse before.

Paul Sperry of WorldNetDaily reported on missing White House emails of Al Gore and how the entire email archive process was tainted during the Clinton-Gore campaign financing scandal investigations.

The Democrat party was always a criminal and corrupt organization.

-PJ

49 posted on 06/13/2014 5:21:41 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Red Steel

More lying from the criminals in the Obama/Holder/Hillary racketeering, criminal enterprise. Lawlessness as far as the eye can see.

Will the Republican establishment leaders in Congress be dumb enough to accept this latest lie? Probably!


50 posted on 06/13/2014 5:22:51 PM PDT by House Atreides
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