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Bush warned this would happen in Iraq
American Enterprise Institute ^ | 6/13/14 | Marc Thiessen

Posted on 06/13/2014 4:45:13 PM PDT by Nachum

In 2007, President George W. Bush warned that if America withdrew prematurely from Iraq, American troops would eventually have to return: To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready … would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; warned

1 posted on 06/13/2014 4:45:13 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

George W. Bush was more than willing to come out of retirement to lecture conservatives on immigration. Will he speak out on Iraq and lecture Democrats on their incredible irresponsibility or will he leave the heavy lifting to Dick Cheney?


2 posted on 06/13/2014 4:48:36 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Nachum

We probably should not have gone into Iraq at least until after Afghanistan President Bush is being unfairly looked at as negative because of it. I don’t think history will be good to him now for sure. It is a shame.


3 posted on 06/13/2014 4:48:39 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Nachum

Bush was right, obama was wrong


4 posted on 06/13/2014 4:52:32 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: vbmoneyspender
George W. Bush was more than willing to come out of retirement to lecture conservatives on immigration.

Most Republicans say nice things about Democrats. Go figure.

5 posted on 06/13/2014 4:53:10 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Nachum

Bush was right...
Obama and the media were WRONG.

Thousands are already paying for it by having their heads separated from their bodies.

This is the fault of every single Obama voter, and anyone who bought in to the “WorldCan’tWait” Soros-financed World Communist bulls**t...

Be BLUNT about this to every lib you know. IT IS THEIR FAULT so many people are dying now. Ram it down their throats.


6 posted on 06/13/2014 4:57:12 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Be BLUNT about this to every lib you know. IT IS THEIR FAULT so many people are dying now. Ram it down their throats.

Agreed. Fair is fair... the other side is always ramming it down our throats!

"...go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors.... talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are 'Rat... argue with them and get in their face..."

7 posted on 06/13/2014 5:03:40 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Nachum
McCain made the point a couple of times today that we still have troops in Bosnia...but Obama withdrew all troops from Iraq. Where's the logic in that?
8 posted on 06/13/2014 5:07:08 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
McCain made the point a couple of times today that we still have troops in Bosnia...but Obama withdrew all troops from Iraq. Where's the logic in that?

In with the obligatory observation about stopped clocks, etc....

9 posted on 06/13/2014 5:13:55 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: what's up

Apparently the Arab Spring finally Sprung today, the muslim world is united and Saudis will be forced to decouple their oil with the US dollar, and down the terlet we swirl.


10 posted on 06/13/2014 5:14:55 PM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: T-Bird45
Actually, McCain is usually correct about defense issues.

On tax and economic issues, however...not so much.

11 posted on 06/13/2014 5:16:47 PM PDT by what's up
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To: tcrlaf
Be BLUNT about this to every lib you know. IT IS THEIR FAULT so many people are dying now. Ram it down their throats.

Don't waste your breath confronting a lib over this. They'll just throw it back at you claiming that Iraq would be utopia if Bush hadn't gone in there in the first place.

12 posted on 06/13/2014 5:17:38 PM PDT by randita
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To: what's up

Yeah, like Libya and Syria...

This guy must have fallen and hurt himself, to be right on a subject.


13 posted on 06/13/2014 5:22:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: tcrlaf

Damn right...!


14 posted on 06/13/2014 5:26:35 PM PDT by subterfuge (Hey NSA snoop, get a real job you idiot!)
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To: Nachum

” It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan.”

Yet, Obama is allowing the terrorist haven to be re-established in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

So one haven is not being replaced by another. Two are being established. And they serve as beach heads for Caliphate expansion.


15 posted on 06/13/2014 5:28:45 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: napscoordinator

I liked W as a person but he campaigned against “nation building” and what does he do. Even now he won’t say sh!t and the survival of our Country is at stake. So disappointed but we definitely have worse now.


16 posted on 06/13/2014 5:32:09 PM PDT by mcshot (..."And this too shall pass.")
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To: what's up

McCain would declare war with Narnia, Pandora, and The Matrix if he could.


17 posted on 06/13/2014 5:32:38 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: what's up

Actually, McCain is usually correct about defense issues.
On tax and economic issues, however...not so much.


McCain was wrong about Libya and Syria. He should have said a lot more about pulling out of Iraq too early.

McCain is not usually correct on much of anything.


18 posted on 06/13/2014 5:43:12 PM PDT by boycott
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To: vbmoneyspender
What about the incredible irresponsibility of Bush going in to Iraq in the first place knowing ahead of time that America didn't have the political will or the international support to establish a military dictatorship for ten to twenty years?

There was no reasonable exit strategy for Iraq ever in place.

We supposedly learned from Vietnam that we wouldn't go into a war unless we had an exit strategy. We had such a strategy for the first Gulf War. We didn't have one for the Iraq War and we and the Iraqis paid the horrible price.

19 posted on 06/13/2014 5:51:58 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: yldstrk

There was nothing to be gained in Iraq. I said it then. I say it now. It was a mistake and we will be paying for it, literally and figuratively for generations to come.

Borders mean nothing to these people. Kuwait and the kingdom are next on the list. Perhaps Jordan.

Russia will be the ultimate winner because they will be the only ones with oil near Europe.


20 posted on 06/13/2014 5:58:03 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: EEGator

“McCain would declare war with Narnia, Pandora, and The Matrix if he could.”

And he would eagerly accept photo ops with Sauron to push those wars.


21 posted on 06/13/2014 6:00:58 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Happier than a Svoboda skinhead with a free new armband.)
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To: Nachum
Mass killings that do not involve potential Democrat voters do not make a difference to the first black President and failure Obama.
22 posted on 06/13/2014 6:02:09 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

The Iraqis were routinely firing missiles at our pilots before the United States invaded. Every missile fired by the Iraqis was act of war and it would have been irresponsible for Bush not to give the go ahead to invade Iraq - particularly since our repeated failures to respond to acts of war by Al Qaeda had led to 9/11.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 6:07:24 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: randita

They’ll give you the Rev. Jeremiah Wright speech. You know the one, ‘the chickens have come home to roost’, ‘God Damn America’.
It’s preordained.


24 posted on 06/13/2014 6:40:50 PM PDT by griswold3 (I was born heI're in America. I will die here in a third world country. Obama succeeded.)
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To: Nachum
Of course, Bush was right.

A person doesn't need to be a diplomat or scholar to understand this. We left forces in Germany and S. Korea for DECADES to deter aggression. When you remove the deterent, you invite invasion.

25 posted on 06/13/2014 6:47:36 PM PDT by matt1234 (Obama fled. People bled. (Iraq 2014.))
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To: vbmoneyspender
Regardless, we should have established a military dictatorship soon after we defeated Saddam's troops. As most intelligent observers commented, we should have reinstated the Iraqi military and used them to impose the military dictatorship, rather than disbanding them and turning them into instant terrorists.

We should not have allowed the Iraqis to run their own country until they showed they were willing to do so in cooperation with one another.

The first Gulf War was a success because George H. W. Bush was able to get a truly international team together around a clear objective (free Kuwait) and then honored and respected the coalition by ending the war as soon as that goal was accomplished.

Every historian, military strategist, and political theorist with any brains told us that Iraq was a basket case. That without a very strong and vicious leader like Saddam keeping them in check, the citizens would soon be at each others throats. That is exactly what happened.

The international community didn't support the Iraq War because they were smart enough to know that it was going to ultimately fail. Especially since everyone knew that the only long term solution was a dictatorship as determined as Saddam's maybe without so much senseless murder and torture.

Because Bush knew that he wasn't getting any international support, and because Bush was unwilling to implement a military dictatorship, he guaranteed failure from the outset.

The neocons were way too optimistic about the prospects for a "free" Iraq. Either that or they were just whispering sweet nothings into Bush's ears so that their war profiteer buddies could collect their unjust rewards.

26 posted on 06/13/2014 6:50:46 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

George W had a pretty big coalition.

How many nations signed on?


27 posted on 06/13/2014 6:55:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12
You mean the Coalition of the Bribed?

We got token amounts of troops from the few nations that we could cajole/bribe into working with us. Most of those troops were in the back in support positions.

I think the only semi-major support was from the British and that was under 10,000 troops. Most of the other nations joined in hopes of getting an invite into NATO, a military base to generate jobs for the local economy, etc.

It was a truly sad coalition in comparison to what his father was able to put together for the first Gulf War.

28 posted on 06/13/2014 7:02:22 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I think the number in support was about 49.

Is that your figure?


29 posted on 06/13/2014 7:04:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Nachum

Hey Dubya. I was warning this would happen BEFORE we went into Iraq.


30 posted on 06/13/2014 7:05:03 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Nachum

“American troops would eventually have to return”

Not to worry.

Russia, China and Iran are rushing to fill the void.

Democrats have, once again, thrown victory to America’s enemies.


31 posted on 06/13/2014 7:12:01 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Yes I am sure you are right, they are nomads and heathens besides, nothing means anything to them


32 posted on 06/13/2014 7:12:55 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ansel12
It was 48 after Costa Rica asked to be taken off the list.

The mighty coalition included such military strongholds as the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau and the Solomon Islands.

I believe that besides the US, only the UK and Poland actually had fighting troops. The rest were used in support.

Also it seems that a huge chunk of the military activities were fought by contractors, i.e. mercenaries.

I believe that the Romans had to increasingly depend on mercenaries to keep their empire afloat.

33 posted on 06/13/2014 7:16:23 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
"The first Gulf War was a success because George H. W. Bush was able to get a truly international team together"
"Because Bush knew that he wasn't getting any international support

"Shortly before the Iraq war began, the US government announced that 49 countries were joined in a "coalition of the willing" in favor of forcibly removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, with some number of other countries expressing their support in private. Of the 49 countries, the following countries had an active or participant role, by providing either significant troops or political support: Australia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom and (United States).

Four of these countries supplied combat forces directly participating in the invasion of Iraq: the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and Poland. Other countries have provided logistical and intelligence support, chemical and biological response teams, overflight rights, humanitarian and reconstruction aid, and political support."

34 posted on 06/13/2014 7:18:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Nachum

The bush war in Iraq was a huge success.

We removed saddam in short order.

We won the surge.

It is our anti military intellectual culture that finds allies on the right and left that literally kills us all.

Americans voted in 2008 to leave Iraq in shame. The vacation from reality will end. The anti Americans are rallying everywhere and will hit us hard again.

When our military is supported we win.

When it is not supported we lose.

It’s that simple.


35 posted on 06/13/2014 8:15:47 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Regardless

That's a response that merits ignoring everything you posted after that point. You had a dictator routinely firing missiles at our pilots and your response is 'Regardless.'

Nice.

36 posted on 06/13/2014 10:28:28 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender
Regardless of having good reasons for going to war, we should not have gone into war without an exit strategy.

I know that is tough for you to understand, but that's what the general understanding was before the first Gulf War.

There were lots of arguments about what we should do and whether we should go in to protect a country that seemed from our perspective as a bunch of rich fascists bossing around their foreign workers.

We only went in after the president and his staff convinced congress and the people that we would go in, free Kuwait, and then get the heck out.

A few years later, like the schmucks we sometimes are, we completely forgot about exit strategies, etc. and just went in anyway. All we had was some fairy tale story about how all humans yearned in their hearts for peace and freedom.

Complete camel diarrhea.

So a few pilots were shot at. That's horrible. Instead thousands of servicemen died so that Iraqis could be free from the threat of being killed by Saddam, and now free to be killed by Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish militias.

However horrible and tragic it was for pilots to get shot at with little effect, it is even more tragic to see what is going on there now.

37 posted on 06/14/2014 12:35:31 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

“I believe that besides the US, only the UK and Poland actually had fighting troops. The rest were used in support.”

Well, you would be very wrong in that assumption. The El Savs, Romanians, Bulgarians and Mongolians all fought well when called on. The EL Savs provided route security for convoys outside US areas and they were exceptional at it.

The El Savs were the soldiers who routed the Mahdi in Najaf in 3 months of house-to-house fighting. The 3rd AD and air assets supported them but much of the up close and personal fighting was done by the El Savs. They were extremely aggressive against insurgents.


38 posted on 06/14/2014 6:36:24 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Nachum
Bush warned this would happen in Iraq

So did everyone with two functioning synapses in their brain.

5.56mm

39 posted on 06/14/2014 6:43:06 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Nachum

No New Nation Building. (I think I’m turning into an isolationist)


40 posted on 06/14/2014 6:47:10 AM PDT by McGruff (I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

“Regardless of having good reasons for going to war, we should not have gone into war without an exit strategy.”

Where do you come up with crap like this, MSNBC, DU, UC Berkely?

Why don’t you watch this in its entirety? It applies even now.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/26593443#26593443

Whereas here is a review of Obama’s exit strategy and a not-so-prescient prediction its failure.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/8389338-452/obamas-iraq-exita-risky-strategy.html

Obama orchestrated the failure. Obama owns it.


41 posted on 06/14/2014 6:52:24 AM PDT by Justa
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

What was our exit strategy for going to war against Libya? Where was the support (nationally or internationally)?

We provided air support (which we did not do for our own ambassador). We armed the terrorists on the ground. And Sec. of State Hillary Clinton took credit for the warcrime murder of a POW named Momar Gaddafi “WE came, WE saw, HE DIED!!!”


42 posted on 06/14/2014 2:51:15 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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