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Iraq unraveling as top Shiite cleric issues call to arms
McClatchy ^ | June 13, 2014 | Mitchell Prothero

Posted on 06/14/2014 2:49:35 AM PDT by GonzoII

ISTANBUL — The likely breakup of Iraq into feuding ethnic and sectarian bastions accelerated Friday as Iraq’s senior Shiite Muslim cleric broke years of support for the central government and decreed that every able-bodied Shiite man had a religious obligation to defend the sect’s holy sites from rebellious Sunni Muslims led by fighters from the extremist Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

In answer to the call, thousands of Shiites many with militia experience from the sectarian war that pitted Sunnis against Shiites and killed thousands from 2006 to 2008 flooded the cities of Baghdad, Najaf and Karbala to receive weapons, enlist in organized units and receive their orders.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; isis; islam; israel; jordan; kurdistan; lebanon; russia; shia; shiite; sunni; syria; turkey; waronterror

1 posted on 06/14/2014 2:49:35 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

The Syria-Persian war has started in Iraq.


2 posted on 06/14/2014 2:59:15 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: GonzoII

This goes all of the way back to British and French redrawing of the area during and after WW-1. I predict that the entire area will devolve back into tribal areas of influence and that Iraq and Iran will effectively cease to be nation states.


3 posted on 06/14/2014 3:17:17 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: GonzoII

Go at it boys!


4 posted on 06/14/2014 3:18:15 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: GonzoII
Here they come...


5 posted on 06/14/2014 5:07:32 AM PDT by BCW (Amazon: "Babylon's Covert War" - the conflict explained in detail)
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To: BCW

Armored Camel-Vees


6 posted on 06/14/2014 6:52:00 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: clearcarbon

I think this is a good thing. What better than them efficiently killing one another?

Wonder if there is a map than shows which of the camel jockey countries are which sect? Would make it easier to keep score.


7 posted on 06/14/2014 7:12:05 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: GonzoII

All this crap started in the last Century with Gavrillo Prinzip and Oil. I wonder what kind of world we would have today if it hadn’t all started then.


8 posted on 06/14/2014 7:15:12 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary 2016! Really??? That's Retarded Sir.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

On the 29th of June will be the 100th anniversary
of the assassination of the Archduke.

Interesting times eh?


9 posted on 06/14/2014 7:21:11 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: GonzoII

Let Allah sort it out.


10 posted on 06/14/2014 7:21:37 AM PDT by McGruff (I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.)
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To: tet68

oops, make that the 28th. Sorry.
All those WWI dates coming up.


11 posted on 06/14/2014 7:22:52 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: X-spurt
map that shows which of the camel jockey countries are which sect

It is a mess.


12 posted on 06/14/2014 8:30:28 AM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: tet68
Coincidences are intriguing. Another coincidence: Isis is the goddess of magic, fertility, death, healing and rebirth. She became the most powerful ancient god/goddess when she devised a plan to kick Ra the sun god from the throne. Nothing like a little in your face paganism.
13 posted on 06/14/2014 8:47:06 AM PDT by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: clearcarbon

And we funded it:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/bleeding-by-proxy-mintpress-peels-back-the-layers-of-the-syrian-opposition/192099/


14 posted on 06/14/2014 8:48:03 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: GonzoII

15 posted on 06/14/2014 8:50:55 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GonzoII
I don't think a religious civil war can be avoided at this point in Iraq.

Particularly since the supporters of each side (Saudi Arabia and Iran) would each benefit from the resulting rise in oil prices.

16 posted on 06/14/2014 8:57:04 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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Carmen Russell-Sluchansky
http://voiceofrussia.com/by_author/53484099/

Carmen Munir Russell-Sluchansky
http://sluchansky.com/

Who is MintPress and why are they doing all this hiring?
http://www.minnpost.com/david-brauer-blog/2012/01/who-mintpress-and-why-are-they-doing-all-hiring


17 posted on 06/14/2014 10:23:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Iraq’s senior Shiite Muslim cleric broke years of support for the central government and decreed that every able-bodied Shiite man had a religious obligation to defend the sect’s holy sites...
IOW, open jihad, instead of public denial, just as his Iranian superiors want. Moslems everywhere can now heed the call and resume their struggle against their mortal enemies, other moslems. Our responsibility is to make sure they get plenty of one way plane, train, and bus tickets and never run out of ammo until we can hear the last death rattle.
18 posted on 06/14/2014 10:28:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GonzoII

Trying to civilize these people has failed.

let the shiites and the sunnis fight it out. The more they hate and kill each other the less they will bother us.


19 posted on 06/14/2014 1:08:25 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (liberalism is a cancer that has spread everywhere, even to the republican party)
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To: PapaBear3625

That’s about right and it’s true that both the Persians and the Soddies say that they need 100+ dollar oil to keep their countries running. The interesting part tho is that they must feed the beast to keep the level of instability up. Without the constant agitation the regular camel humpers of the entire ME would quietly go back to goat banging. It’s easy to show that the expense of agitation will kill these dummies off before the gains of high priced oil ever really show up. The whole thing is mutual-economic-suicide which will keep them all right square in the 12th century which seems to be just where they want to be.


20 posted on 06/14/2014 1:42:50 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: GonzoII

While they focus on killing one another, they’re not trying to kill us. They are, however, driving up the price of oil and benefiting the Kurds who seem to be a big winner in the whole unrest.


21 posted on 06/14/2014 2:18:37 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: X-spurt

“Wonder if there is a map than shows which of the camel jockey countries are which sect? Would make it easier to keep score.”

Seems like there’s a nice pinball game that could be made from this.


22 posted on 06/14/2014 4:16:07 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

“I predict that the entire area will devolve back into tribal areas of influence and that Iraq and Iran will effectively cease to be nation states.”

Iraq probably will cease to have the borders it does today, and may change names. However, Iran is benefiting from this war. They are using their “Shia” version of Islam to justify going into Iraq to “help.” If they go in, they will NEVER go out again. A great portion of Iraq will become part of Iran - at least a “vassal” state to Iran.


23 posted on 06/14/2014 5:14:06 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: GonzoII; TigersEye

top Shiite cleric issues call to arms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hallah harabeem j’allah allllahuahoowaaakbur!

Towahellhead gathathrakarther alakawakalllakbur!

Takehoallahtaammo Ja’allah Inshalla Hualllah Allahakbur!


24 posted on 06/15/2014 1:24:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

WELL, here is my reply to that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPiNu6073s4


25 posted on 06/15/2014 7:08:49 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: sefarkas

Thanks!

This is why I don’t think Western Civilizations will never have to genuinely worry about the muslims, they are hardwired to hate each other more than anyone else. They are truly a hate filled culture and because of their never ending focus on hate, they are destined to stay that way as in the 8th Century.

The only times they pose significant threats to us, is when they have the ability to travel outside their realm though (this time) oil money.


26 posted on 06/15/2014 10:15:15 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Candor7

Aloha snackbar!!! Allahwashamaballa!


27 posted on 06/15/2014 10:53:23 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: GonzoII

The citizens of Iraq should be getting a severe wake up call from the serial killer ISIS thugs.

Warning this link is very graphic. It shows the ISIS serial killers slaughtering unarmed prisoners.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3167998/posts


28 posted on 06/15/2014 11:43:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni WonDoer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: sefarkas; All

This language map is some help, but a lot of Sunnis, Shiites, Alawis, etc. speak Arabic.


29 posted on 06/16/2014 12:09:41 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
The Chinese have about 30 dialects that occasionally share the same the same written character/pictograph, but there is no one spoken language in China, although all of them are referred to as "Chinese". You do not see the Chinese fighting amongst themselves to the same (wildly publicized) degree as the Sunni/Shia folks. Iranian Shia are Persian, not Arab ethnically. The Iran/Iraq war showed ethnicity was more significant than language or religion when it came to choosing sides and declaring loyalty.



Some of the spoken varieties are mutually unintelligible,[4] both written and orally, and the varieties as a whole constitute a sociolinguistic language. This means that on purely linguistic grounds they would likely be considered to constitute more than one language, but are commonly grouped together as a single language for political and/or religious reasons (see below). If considered multiple languages, it is unclear how many languages there would be, as the spoken varieties form a dialect chain with no clear boundaries. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language#Arabic_and_Islam

30 posted on 06/16/2014 6:25:07 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: sefarkas; All

Nice map, thanks. The history of China has included periods of a great deal of fighting amongst themselves. On the other hand China has been civilized and organized twice as long as some parts of the Arab world. I am excluding Egypt, Persia and Babalon from that statement. I agree tha Iran/Iraq war had a strong ethnic element, however, Sunni Saudis and the Sunni rulers of Barain(sp?) are facing significan Shia communities within their own border who are supported by Iran. There is a whole lot of religious mischief everywhere. If you ever have a chance to read T.E. Lawrence’s “Seven Pillars of Wisdom” there is an excellent few pages on a cross section of Lebanon’s diversity.


31 posted on 06/16/2014 10:58:35 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: TigersEye

Yes, we are developing a tango Arabic / English interlanguage.LOL.

Aloha Snackbar got me to giggling!


32 posted on 06/17/2014 2:38:59 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: RipSawyer

Rip! Lost a few stiches laughing at that vid.
“Now we don our gay apparel!”/s

This is about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JHMxNb2BAE


33 posted on 06/17/2014 2:56:32 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

That was certainly enlightening. Justice demands that in response I offer the complete lyrics to the song that is only partially rendered in the video I posted. It is of course the creation of the incomparable Walt Kelly, creator of Pogo Possum, Albert the Alligator and all the other swamp residents. Here are the complete lyrics, I recommend singing this at Christmas gatherings at the top of your voice at any time you want to be alone.

Deck Us All With Boston Charlie

Deck us all with Boston Charlie,
Walla Walla, Wash., an’ Kalamazoo!
Nora’s freezin’ on the trolley,
Swaller dollar cauliflower alley-garoo!

Don’t we know archaic barrel
Lullaby Lilla Boy, Louisville Lou?
Trolley Molly don’t love Harold,
Boola boola Pensacoola hullabaloo!

Bark us all bow-wows of folly,
Polly wolly cracker ‘n’ too-da-loo!
Donkey Bonny brays a carol,
Antelope Cantaloupe, ‘lope with you!

Hunky Dory’s pop is lolly,
Gaggin’ on the wagon, Willy, folly go through!
Chollie’s collie barks at Barrow,
Harum scarum five alarm bung-a-loo!

Dunk us all in bowls of barley,
Hinky dinky dink an’ polly voo!
Chilly Filly’s name is Chollie,
Chollie Filly’s jolly chilly view halloo!

Bark us all bow-wows of folly,
Double-bubble, toyland trouble! Woof, woof, woof!
Tizzy seas on melon collie!
Dibble-dabble, scribble-scrabble! Goof, goof, goof!

At any time the above lyrics seem in any way nonsensical and meaningless I advise spending several hours watching MSNBC and or videos of Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama etc. and I guarantee that when you revisit “Deck Us All” you will suddenly discover all kinds of meaning in it.

May the force be with you against the farce.


34 posted on 06/17/2014 6:40:00 AM PDT by RipSawyer (May ther force be with you against the farce.)
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To: RipSawyer
I remember that! I think I may have driven my parents close to the brink singing that. Later there would be Mad Magazine parody songs that pushed them past the brink. To this day my sister still remembers the words to Ground Round. Someone has thoughtfully posted them on the internets...

Ground Round (Sung to the tune of Petula Clark's Downtown)

When you eat meat
and hate the meat that you're eating
you have surely got...
Ground Round!

It's so unnerving
when they're constantly serving
in an eating spot...
Ground Round!

It may be called
a chopped steak, Salisbury,
or beef patty.
No matter what it's called
it's always overcooked and fatty.
What can you do?

Call out to your waiter there,
beat down on your table
stand up on your chair
and say

Ground Round!
piled on my plate I see
Ground Round!
you're always conning me!
Ground Round!
Why does it have to be
Ground Round...
Ground Round...
Ground Round...[fade out]


35 posted on 06/17/2014 9:35:25 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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