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Climate Change Induced Corn-mageddon? (Another stupid environmental wacko theory)
am thinker ^ | 6/14/14 | s rayne

Posted on 06/14/2014 5:53:01 AM PDT by bestintxas

According to a new article at the Guardian, corn-mageddon could be just around the corner in the United States because of anthropogenic climate change:

"The days of 'king corn' could be numbered as climate change brings higher temperatures and water shortages to America's farmland, a new report warned on Wednesday...

The report amplifies warnings earlier this year from United Nations climate scientists and the National Climate Assessment that America's agricultural industry -- and specifically its corn crop -- was at risk from the high temperatures and water shortages anticipated under climate change...

Corn uses the most water for irrigation of any crop, and accounts for half of all fertiliser use. Some of that corn is raised in areas experiencing water shortages because of over-use and recurring droughts, such as California's Central Valley or the high plains states of Kansas and Nebraska...

Recent studies have found corn at high risk from the higher temperatures, changing rainfall patterns, and water shortages caused by climate change. Corn plants are especially sensitive to heatwaves and drought. A report in Science last month found that growers were having more trouble than initially expected in adapting to hotter and drier conditions.

The scientists said growers in the mid-west could lose as much as 15% of their yield within the next 50 years."

There is a lot of alarmism here that needs to be countered.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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the most ridiculous part of this is all one has to do is stop turning corn into ethanol and you get abundance of corn at much much lower prices, saving lots of water
1 posted on 06/14/2014 5:53:01 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Next. Progressives push for oxygen consumption regulation. Use model in Totall Recall movie.


2 posted on 06/14/2014 5:57:29 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: bestintxas

According to Joe Bastardi, the American corn crop is going to be excellent this year.


3 posted on 06/14/2014 5:57:55 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: jsanders2001

I’ll go along with it...only if there are three-breasted women.


4 posted on 06/14/2014 6:00:08 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: bestintxas

So , Kruschev was just 90 years ahead of his time.


5 posted on 06/14/2014 6:00:15 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you’re litigating against nuns, you’ve probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: Dr. Sivana

No, Kruschev was the cold war instrument, who helped bring us the teachers and education system purchased in 1917... when millions were given to Columbia University to take over the US educational materials, and get rid of the McGuffey Readers.

Did you learn in history Kruschev’s famous statement “We will take America without firing a shot!”


6 posted on 06/14/2014 6:02:39 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: bestintxas

3 words:
Ogallala
Acquifer
Idiot


7 posted on 06/14/2014 6:03:58 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: bestintxas

I’ve never seen such good looking corn as I have this year, and I ain’t no spring chicken.


8 posted on 06/14/2014 6:04:00 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
It's so darn cold and wet up here the corn is struggling.

I blame Global Warming, myself!

9 posted on 06/14/2014 6:07:21 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: bestintxas

Corn is already selling at or below the cost of production. How will that work out long term?


10 posted on 06/14/2014 6:09:52 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
They'll just have to make it up in volume.

/johnny

11 posted on 06/14/2014 6:12:36 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bestintxas

Actually, corn was introduced into the American Midwest from hotter, dryer climates to the southwest, as the spread of pre-Columbian ‘mother corn’ cuture indicates. Milo or sorghum has the same nutrient profile as corn and is happy in hotter, dryer areas.


12 posted on 06/14/2014 6:14:33 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Kackikat

It’s spelled Khrushchev.

At any rate, about 40% of the US corn crop is now used to make ethanol in order to dilute your gasoline (which gives you higher gasoline prices, lower mileage, and more engine wear). (By comparison, 45% of US corn is used to feed livestock, half of what it used to be, which is why meat prices are rising.) It would be difficult for a minor climatic change to produce a worse result than that!

Ref: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/04/20/its-final-corn-ethanol-is-of-no-use/

The moral is that socialism is a much more dangerous threat than minor climate change. Further, the damage from socialism is a certainty, whereas the future of the climate is uncertain.

Would you want the same people who run our government messing with the Earth’s thermostat, even if they really could? These are people who cannot balance a budget.


13 posted on 06/14/2014 6:16:25 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: bestintxas

:: because of anthropogenic climate change ::

See muh tagline...


14 posted on 06/14/2014 6:16:37 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: docbnj

:: It would be difficult for a minor climatic change to produce a worse result than that! ::

The damage is real.
A top-down management policy predicated on the concept of “climate change” can easily do this type of damge as well as much more.
Climate change doesn’t actually have to happen in any real form, just that policy base is enough.


15 posted on 06/14/2014 6:21:00 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: bestintxas
all one has to do is stop turning corn into ethanol and you get abundance of corn at much much lower prices, saving lots of water

We already have too much corn, as proven by market prices.

16 posted on 06/14/2014 6:21:36 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: EEGator

> I’ll go along with it...only if there are three-breasted women.

And midget prostitutes that know how to use machine guns?...lol


17 posted on 06/14/2014 6:22:31 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: smokingfrog

Spring chickens are doing well also. Still under $2.50/LBS for “roasters” at the local Safeway.


18 posted on 06/14/2014 6:22:37 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: docbnj

I apologize for spelling error...
I agree about the corn...I do not buy ethanol unless no choice, because it lowers mileage.
No these people have no clue about why we are having the climate issues, most weather comes in cycles anyway.


19 posted on 06/14/2014 6:23:45 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: bestintxas

BTW, do you recall the original reason for using EtOH in fuel back in the hazy, lazy days of Jimmuh? It was to help over come the OPEC embargo by “extending” the available volumes of gasoline.

Now that we have all the gasoline we need (albeit at high prices) and without skipping a beat, EtOH is now said to be an “oxygen” supplement reducing certain tail-pipe pollutants.

EtOH addition isn’t going away and will only increase.


20 posted on 06/14/2014 6:28:17 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Kackikat

You didn’t get my reference.

Kruschev wanted to make corn the staple grain of theSoviet Union instead of wheat. The climate in Russia was, and is, inhospitable. This program, and similar “hare-brained” schemes is why he was pushed out.

If the U.S. gets too hot and dry for raising corn, it stands to reason that the new climate might be just right for Russia and Canada to take it up.


21 posted on 06/14/2014 6:30:26 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you’re litigating against nuns, you’ve probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: bestintxas

The problem this growing season is getting out into the fields because of flooding rains across the Plains. Don’t these people keep up with the weather?

And yes, quit requiring ethanol that cuts food supply, cuts miles per gallon engine efficiency, and increases engine life and we will have more than enough corn.


22 posted on 06/14/2014 6:34:11 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

Error: meant to say DECREASES engine life….


23 posted on 06/14/2014 6:35:04 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: jjotto

“Corn is already selling at or below the cost of production. How will that work out long term?”

Huge amounts of land have been converted to corn production from other grains in order to take advantage of an artificial market caused by ethanol subsidies,

no subsidies = back to marketplace and other grains are grown and everything goes down in price.

I raise cattle and feed is at an alltime high, so beef prices are in the stratosphere


24 posted on 06/14/2014 6:42:08 AM PDT by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings)
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To: Balding_Eagle

“We already have too much corn, as proven by market prices. “

corn market is artificial due to govt ethanol subsidies.

need to get rid of subsidies and let market stabilize true value


25 posted on 06/14/2014 6:44:37 AM PDT by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings)
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To: bestintxas

In full sun a cornfield will deplete the CO2 to nearly zero. Corn and other C4 plants evolved due to the relatively recent CO2 starvation on the planet. Corn will obviously grow better with more manmade CO2, the only bad thing is that C3 weeds will also be more competitive.


26 posted on 06/14/2014 6:51:01 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: docbnj

“The moral is that socialism is a much more dangerous threat than minor climate change”

And that is what Republican politicians should be saying in every ad. This should be a non stop war against the left.


27 posted on 06/14/2014 6:57:16 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: bestintxas

Hmm...

It’ll take an economist to figure out that scenario.

The marketplace would be good for livestock producers. US government interference leads to LOWER prices and LOWER margins. Government spending covers up the real costs.


28 posted on 06/14/2014 6:58:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: bestintxas

Probably an engineered crisis anyway. For some reason, all the fields near my town that are usually corn fields grew wheat this year. Even one that is used for hay and another that grew sunflowers grew wheat this year.


29 posted on 06/14/2014 7:00:34 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: docbnj
At any rate, about 40% of the US corn crop is now used to make ethanol in order to dilute your gasoline (which gives you higher gasoline prices, lower mileage, and more engine wear). (By comparison, 45% of US corn is used to feed livestock, half of what it used to be, which is why meat prices are rising.)

Yes, 40% of the U.S. corn crop now is used for ethanol, but this has been accomplished while still meeting traditional food, feed, and export demand. The ethanol buildout was feedstocked by higher production, and corn yields continue to increase. People in the business expect national average yield to reach 200 bushels an acre in the mid-term, and higher down the road. The current winners in the annual corn yield contests are commonly over 300 bushels an acre, which is ten times the average yield at the end of WWII.

From the farmers' standpoint, a bushel of corn converted into ethanol and DDGS is significantly more valuable than the same bushel sold as feed. Prices are volatile, but just to toss out some ballpark numbers, if commodity corn is $4.75 a bushel and the same bushel converted to ethanol and DDGS is $7-7.50, the choice is pretty clear.

From a motorist's standpoint, ethanol reduces the cost of gasoline by providing a cost effective competitor to petroleum (which is why the oil industry hates ethanol). At a 10% blend, ethanol will reduce mileage because its energy density is lower than gasoline, but at higher blends, the mileage penalty would disappear because the octane boost would more than compensate. But that would require evolving towards E30 or E40 blend levels, which is a long term proposition. If third generation feedstocks (e.g. algae) hit a suitable price point, however, I would expect this to happen fairly promptly.

30 posted on 06/14/2014 7:01:57 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: bestintxas

Right... corn uses the C4 photosynthetic pathway, which functions at higher temperatures where other plants shut off photosynthesis.


31 posted on 06/14/2014 7:04:21 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: bestintxas

The largest provision of water for the Midwest is from the Oglala aquifer (the big circle in the middle of the map.)

http://theparagraph.com/wp-content/articles/post109/us_uncon-semi.gif

Importantly, the fruitcake Ted Turner has tried very hard to buy up every square inch of land over the aquifer, likely for a nefarious reason, like turning it over to some eco-nut group to put off limits to farmers when he dies.

http://i.imgur.com/nAmQYkE.jpg

However, assuming that he is defeated in his quest for ruination of Americas farm belt, and problem and a solution have emerged about the Oglala.

That is, that close to a century of farming has reduced the fixed amount of the glacially created water in the aquifer, so that it is starting to dry up in its shallower reaches, such as in Texas.

So, to insure plentiful water in the aquifer, there is an idea to create a man made river from Canada, through North Dakota, to South Dakota and the northern edge of the aquifer, with the intent to pump that water underground into the aquifer.


32 posted on 06/14/2014 7:25:54 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: bestintxas

Corn yields have done nothing but increase, and the recent rains across the central plains states will raise the yield even higher. I have the chart of corn yields, but it’s on my computer and I’m on my phone.


33 posted on 06/14/2014 7:26:22 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: bestintxas

I think you are arguing that prices would be lower with out government involvement, and that’s true.

The problem for farmers, and consumers is that current prices are below cost of production.

Short term lower prices are certainly a possibility, but not sustained lower prices.


34 posted on 06/14/2014 7:31:48 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: jsanders2001

Of course. :)


35 posted on 06/14/2014 8:00:07 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: bestintxas

We are burning food for fuel?

Who would have known.


36 posted on 06/14/2014 8:03:32 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: sphinx
... the mileage penalty would disappear because the octane boost would more than compensate.

Octane and BTU's are two very different things.

37 posted on 06/14/2014 8:23:15 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: bigbob

The Ogallala Aquifer is running dry.


38 posted on 06/14/2014 8:25:02 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
... there is an idea to create a man made river from Canada...

It would be far simpler to dam the Platte River in eastern Nebraska and pump that water down into the aquifer.

39 posted on 06/14/2014 8:32:47 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bestintxas

Gee...the last time it was AGW-increased CO2. They must’ve figured out that CO2 ‘helps’ agriculture and chose to be equally ignorant by doubling down in demonstrating they know nothing about agriculture at all, let alone corn...


40 posted on 06/14/2014 8:39:30 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Dr. Sivana

I do understand what you mean, however Kruschev made more headway in his time training Communist Teachers to speak English and Americanize them, so they could come to USA and teach our Children to be good comrades.

IMHO let them have the gas end of the corn market. WE need to use our land for feed not ethanol. The only thing I don’t understand is that if Russia was not conducive to raising corn back then, why would it be now? Canada yes...


41 posted on 06/14/2014 8:39:52 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: bestintxas
Some of that corn is raised in areas experiencing water shortages because of over-use and recurring droughts, such as California's Central Valley...

I live in California's Central Valley. Water shortages to farmlands are the result of horrible water management policies from liberal politicians who want to appease environmental political pressure groups who have no realistic grasp on environmental issues nor even the tiniest hint of mercy for the lives of the farmers they are ruining. We let most of the water we could irrigate the fields with just flow out to the sea unused by anybody.

42 posted on 06/14/2014 8:40:32 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Kackikat

Western Ukraine is the area of rapidly expanding corn production. Most of Russia is a little too cold.


43 posted on 06/14/2014 8:45:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SunTzuWu

Yes. But at mid level blends the ethanol mileage penalty disappears. The engine manufacturers are very interested in higher ethanol blends as one possible way to meet next generation mileage and emissions standards.


44 posted on 06/14/2014 8:53:53 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: jjotto

Maybe that’s the draw for Russia to go after the Ukraine, I understood the sea port, Crimea, so now the rest of the Ukraine will support corn production?


45 posted on 06/14/2014 8:58:14 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat

Sure. Probably not specifically corn, but fabulously productive farmland.

If global warming was real, corn production could move north into Russia.

That’s why the latest term is ‘climate disruption’. That way, whatever happens, it’s bad and humans caused it.


46 posted on 06/14/2014 9:03:48 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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if Russia was not conducive to raising corn back then, why would it be now?

Better temperatures in Siberia, and water runoff from the now melting glaciers!
47 posted on 06/14/2014 9:20:12 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you’re litigating against nuns, you’ve probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: sphinx
But at mid level blends the ethanol mileage penalty disappears.

No it doesn't. Mileage is dependent on the amount of energy available per gallon as measured by BTU's per gallon. The higher the gas/ethanol ratio, the lower the BTU's. There is nothing magical about ethanol. It's just a filler.

48 posted on 06/14/2014 9:20:29 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: Balding_Eagle

“I think you are arguing that prices would be lower with out government involvement, and that’s true.

The problem for farmers, and consumers is that current prices are below cost of production.

Short term lower prices are certainly a possibility, but not sustained lower prices.”

certainly corn would be at a lower price if no govt interference.

the point is that corn would no longer be grown as it already displaced a more lucrative other type of grain.

markets will find their place, and corn’s is distorted


49 posted on 06/14/2014 9:22:22 AM PDT by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings)
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To: sphinx; SunTzuWu
But at mid level blends the ethanol mileage penalty disappears.

How can the penalty disappear when there are fewer BTUs (joules, calories, etc.) in the same volume of fuel?
50 posted on 06/14/2014 9:22:23 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you’re litigating against nuns, you’ve probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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