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Liberal groups angry with SC pols over order to teach Constitution
foxnews ^ | 6/13/14 | s mcneal

Posted on 06/14/2014 6:04:30 AM PDT by bestintxas

The South Carolina legislature has rankled liberal groups after requiring that a pair of public schools use state funds to teach the U.S. Constitution and other founding documents -- on the heels of a budget fight over gay-themed books in the curriculum.

State House lawmakers previously had cut funds from two public universities in retaliation for required-reading material containing homosexual themes. A revised budget passed by both the House and the Senate earlier this month, though, restored the money -- but dictated that exact amount be spent "for instruction in the provisions and principles of the United States Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Federalist Papers, including the study of and devotion to American institutions and ideals."

The bill restored at least $52,000 for the College of Charleston, and at least $17,000 for USC-Upstate, which were the original amounts cut back in March. The legislation also says that any school that conducts a mandatory reading program must provide an alternative in case the chosen book conflicts with any students’ moral or religious beliefs.

Gov. Nikki Haley went along with the Constitution requirement on Thursday, saying she did not agree with it but kept it in because lawmakers spent so much time on the bill. She said her office "didn't want to interject ourselves into that."

"I don't believe legislators should micromanage our boards," she said, according to The Associated Press. "They elect board members, so if they want to beat up on them, go for it... but to go in there and micromanage books being read, I think that's out of our purview."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: constitution; schools
In a nutshell, this is what is wrong with our country.
1 posted on 06/14/2014 6:04:30 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

there are other jobs they can get


2 posted on 06/14/2014 6:07:37 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: bestintxas

Maybe if teachers are told they can lie about the 2nd amendment they won’t feel so bad about having to teach the constitution. And, of course, the 10th amendment, too. Can’t tell the kiddies about gun rights and limited government. Might shock them too much.


3 posted on 06/14/2014 6:08:55 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: bestintxas

There needs to be a separation, a divorce, from these marxist bastards. It’ll never happen, but the country needs to be split up. Marxism cannot coexist with the rest of us who want to live in a free republic.


4 posted on 06/14/2014 6:09:13 AM PDT by hdbc (FUBO)
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To: bestintxas
Does this compensate for sandlappers NOT discarding LindSeed (moonbeam) - in the June 10th GOP primary?
5 posted on 06/14/2014 6:12:54 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: hdbc

Marxists don’t want to “coexist” nor do they want you to be able to live in a free republic...they demand only that you kneel or die.


6 posted on 06/14/2014 6:15:28 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: bestintxas
A couple years old but nothing ever changes.

State Rep. Agema wants Michigan to require pledge, teaching of historical U.S. documents

Agema is an RNC committeeman now and constantly under fire from both sides of the aisle for opposing gay marriage and being alive.
7 posted on 06/14/2014 6:15:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: bestintxas

bttt


8 posted on 06/14/2014 6:15:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: samtheman

Teaching the Constitution is teaching the Bill of Rights and that includes the Second Amendment.

So I think that is a small victory overall for SC. Yes, she could throw it out and veto it, but then some nut job gets involved and no decent provision gets passed. If... they can teach the Constitution then they can talk about Limited Government and other issues over riding the requirement included.


9 posted on 06/14/2014 6:19:56 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: bestintxas

The church should have kept its role as the educator of children. Turning that over to the government was a terrible mistake. Those who adopted Germany as a model should have seen the evil results of state-run education.


10 posted on 06/14/2014 6:26:34 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: upchuck

Ping!


11 posted on 06/14/2014 6:29:49 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: bestintxas
Anything that pi$$e$ off a Progressive, a liberal, a Demoncrap, socialist, statist, or Marxist is something that needs to be replicated nationwide.
Come to think of it Progressive, liberal, Socialist, Statist, Marxist Demoncrap pretty much is a true image of their party. Oh, and add Aliskyite to that list.
12 posted on 06/14/2014 6:42:08 AM PDT by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: bestintxas

I find nothing queer about teaching the U.S. Constitution to students so that they will understand the basis for our constitutional republic and the relationship between government and the people, at whose pleasure it serves.


13 posted on 06/14/2014 6:43:15 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: txrefugee; All
The church should have kept its role as the educator of children.

Better yet - our neighborhood churches are perfectly equipped to also serve, week days, as schools.

They have classrooms/kitchens/rest rooms - and 'assembly hall' - Kids could walk to school, for the most part - and know all the kids - parents would have a hands on oversight.

They don't have to be RUN by the churches - just rent the space during the week day, when they are otherwise, mostly empty.

When we had the little 'one room' school houses, kids were given a REAL education. My brother and I went to one - until our 5th and 7th grades when we moved to the Boston area and big schools. (This was decades ago) We were a FULL YEAR ahead, academically, and they skipped ua a grade.

PARENTS have got to get on the stick. Take back the education of their kids. Get together in your neighborhoods and start a neighborhood school.

They could also be integrated with home schooling - where, say, home-schoolers could go a couple times a week to study a subject that might be a bit difficult for the parents to teach - also, to be a part of extra curricular activities, filed trips etc.

It could be so easily done - Instead of fighting the fed-education behemoth, use the energy/money/time to set up neighborhood schools. (Maybe give up watching one program a week - like 'Survivor" or "Dancing with the Stars" - and use that time for your kids - instead of moaning and groaning about what they're being exposed to in public schools. TAKE THEM OUT and do what used to be done - the close knit neighborhood schools - when kids graduated 8th grade with the level of education that our high school grads - if lucky - now have.

Parents - get off your kiesters.

14 posted on 06/14/2014 6:51:02 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: GreyFriar

me neither.

that is the point: if people object to that basic tenant, then where is this country?


15 posted on 06/14/2014 6:52:03 AM PDT by bestintxas (Every time a RINO bites the dust a founding father gets his wings)
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To: GreyFriar

“I find nothing queer about teaching the U.S. Constitution to students so that they will understand the basis for our constitutional republic and the relationship between government and the people, at whose pleasure it serves.”

Our founding documents should be taught fom 1st grade through 8th grade. 9th through 12th should be western civilization.

Gay, womyn’s and any minority studies program should be a college elective and not a major.


16 posted on 06/14/2014 6:52:47 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: bestintxas

I wish they would provide a course in “Socialist, National Socialist, Islamist and Authoritarian Regimes, and Racial and Religious Genocides in Africa, Asia and Europe in the 20th Century”.

It could incorporate keywords like “neo-Nazi”, “neo-communist”, “socialist-anarchist”, “Wahhabi”, “Salafi”, “Socialist International”, “antisemitism”, “anti-Christian”, and especially “useful idiots”.


17 posted on 06/14/2014 7:12:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: bestintxas

Would it not be interesting if a high school graduation requirement were to be to pass the US Citizenship Exam? Even more amusing, make it a requirement at the college level as well! No Federal Funds for any “Higher Education” institution that fails to have that requirment for diploma.

Just a modest suggestion!


18 posted on 06/14/2014 7:31:51 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: bestintxas

I’m confused. Every single Government class I took, or of which I am aware, teaches the Constitution. American history classes teach the Constitution. My kids and grand kids talk to me about ... the Constitution and what they learned about it in school from grammar school to college. Why on Earth would you pass a law that says “teach the Constitution”. What exactly qualifies? Furthermore, even our own Courts can’t agree on Constitutional interpretation for over 200 years. “Teach the Constitution” or “read the Constitution” are ludicrous statements. It’s not a recipe for chocolate chip cookies.

I, of course, think that teaching the Constitution should be fundamental to any American education ... but it sure seems to be and this seems no more than a stunt. I hate stunts. They have a way of backfiring and never make good law.


19 posted on 06/14/2014 7:32:07 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: samtheman

We need better standards for ‘teachers’... Right now the ‘standard’ is if you flunk out of every other major you’re accepted into ‘education’...


20 posted on 06/14/2014 7:33:36 AM PDT by GOPJ (#2 reply spot RESERVED for Tokyo Rose comments: "nothing works - give up - it's all hopeless".)
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To: SZonian

“Marxists don’t want to “coexist” nor do they want you to be able to live in a free republic...they demand only that you kneel or die.”

Totally correct.

My “Modest Proposal” is simple and will remove the threat of American collectivists of all known varieties.
1. All collectivists will lose their right to vote for life.
2. All Collectivist spawn will only be able to vote after passing tests to determine their knowledge and acceptance of the Founding Documents.
3. All collectivist income will be taxed an extra 10%, based on gross income.
4. All collectivist pensions/benefits will be reduced 10% the first year.
5. All collectivist pensions/benefits will be reduced 15% the second year.

Collectivists are thieves - thieves must not be allowed to retain that gained through improper enrichment, fraud, ad nauseam.


21 posted on 06/14/2014 8:29:02 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: bestintxas

Democrats and libs do not believe in the Constitution. It threatens them because it is the basis of the rule of law rather than the rule of man as they want when their people are in office. The rule of man gives them leeway to do anything they want.


22 posted on 06/14/2014 10:47:33 AM PDT by falcon99
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To: bestintxas

I suspect this is one of the true motives behind trucking so many ignorant, uneducated future voting slaves from the third world into the US: They have no concept of a Constitution, and can be depended upon to do nothing as the democrat continues to shred it.

And now comes Nikki Haley trying to teach students the Constitution. How unfair is life for democrats.


23 posted on 06/14/2014 12:14:42 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: maine-iac7

BUMP! As hard as I can.


24 posted on 06/14/2014 1:18:50 PM PDT by upchuck (... honesty is the never-ending rehearsal for those who want to be the friends of God...)
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To: Slings and Arrows; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
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25 posted on 06/14/2014 1:20:43 PM PDT by upchuck (... honesty is the never-ending rehearsal for those who want to be the friends of God...)
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To: upchuck

Thanks for the ping.


26 posted on 06/14/2014 1:47:22 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Howard Phillips Conservative)
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To: DPMD
Gov. Nikki Haley went along with the Constitution requirement on Thursday, saying she did not agree with it but kept it in because lawmakers spent so much time on the bill. She said her office "didn't want to interject ourselves into that."

Is it just me, or does she come across as a complete weasel here?

27 posted on 06/14/2014 1:57:54 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: GladesGuru

BTTT


28 posted on 06/14/2014 3:21:16 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Madame Dufarge

She comes across to me as someone who respects the work and offices of others.

So maybe it is just you! (grin)


29 posted on 06/14/2014 3:24:04 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: bestintxas

bm


30 posted on 06/14/2014 3:27:43 PM PDT by Vision (Living in beauty)
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To: samtheman

The Most dangerous thing in the world is a Citizenry that know of their true rights and Constitution. That is what the Teachers union is so afraid of.


31 posted on 06/14/2014 7:05:13 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Madame Dufarge


Is it just me, or does she come across as a complete weasel here?”

It’s an election year, and shes trying to play moderate. Not that it will help her much among dem’s that won’t vote for her anyway. Still when schools get involved people tend to take folks claiming to represent teachers more seriously than they are entitled to.

Im going to cut Nikki a break on this, if she was really against it she would have vetoed it or convinced the legislator not to go that way.
I think she knows this is a good and very important thing for South Carolina’s kids.


32 posted on 06/14/2014 7:13:45 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: RIghtwardHo

It must not be taught enough because for some strange reason an awful lot of Americans don’t seem to understand anything about it and quite a few of those who don’t are judges on courts up to and including the supreme court. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot, one who seems to understand NOTHING about the constitution is occupying the White House.


33 posted on 06/14/2014 7:34:34 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Monorprise

The NEA version of the Hypocratic Oath: Above all, turn the kids into Democratic Party voters. Nothing else matters.


34 posted on 06/15/2014 4:19:31 AM PDT by samtheman
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