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Does This Mean Osama Bin Laden Has Won?
http://www.newsweek.com/does-mean-osama-bin-laden-has-won-254785 ^

Posted on 06/14/2014 6:08:28 AM PDT by TigerClaws

n the end, Osama bin Laden may achieve the goal that inspired the 9/11 attacks after all. And, strangely, one of the best ways to thwart that dream is for the United States to anger some of its friends and cooperate with its enemies—in particular, the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The successful march toward Baghdad by the Sunni fundamentalist group in Iraq—Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)—has been as inevitable as it is threatening to any prospects of peace in the Middle East. Now, the centuries-old tribal warfare between the two most prominent sects of Islam—Sunni and the Shiite—has been inflamed once again, with the fundamentalist group exposing the weakness and incompetence of what its followers see as just another impure government established by the West.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: iraq
Pretty much does...
1 posted on 06/14/2014 6:08:28 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

yep the barbarians are in the room


2 posted on 06/14/2014 6:09:32 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: TigerClaws

obama needs to resign now, this instant


3 posted on 06/14/2014 6:12:53 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: TigerClaws

4 posted on 06/14/2014 6:14:11 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: yldstrk

With all the intelligence we have..and our intelligence people are good...how could the greatest superpower be “caught off guard?” And to free those 5 from Gitmo knowing whats going on in Iraq for the last year?

My brain is frozen. I can’t even wrap my head around this stuff anymore? I am just numb.


5 posted on 06/14/2014 6:16:51 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: TigerClaws
Sunni and the Shiite - The Bloods & The Crips of the East!
6 posted on 06/14/2014 6:17:51 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TigerClaws

Yep.

I knew it when the 2002 election results were in. American voting habits changed almost not at all. Since then, it’s been whistling past the graveyard.


7 posted on 06/14/2014 6:19:21 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: TigerClaws

For all we know Osama bin Laden is leading the charge.

Where’s the body?


8 posted on 06/14/2014 6:19:39 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

There’s precedent for intelligence incompetence. The fall of the Soviet Union was missed by our high-priced intelligence agencies.


9 posted on 06/14/2014 6:22:24 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: TigerClaws

Osama Bin Laden won when mosques were operating on September 12, 2001. America had lost the will to defend itself; the losses in Iraq and Afghanistan were just theater. Today the Third Worlders pour across our borders, and the heirs of the founders do nothing about it; they’ve been lulled into complacency with bread & circuses, food stamps, and marijuana. Now they devote their energies to pets and the causes du jour that have replaced the WASP ethic that built this country...


10 posted on 06/14/2014 6:28:37 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Agreed. Every satellite we have must be broken. We can’t see a train of terrorist trucks coming south through a desert or 100,000 toddlers walking north through Mexico apparently.


11 posted on 06/14/2014 6:30:24 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Agreed. Every satellite we have must be broken. We can’t see a train of terrorist trucks coming south through a desert or 100,000 toddlers walking north through Mexico apparently.


12 posted on 06/14/2014 6:30:29 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: TigerClaws
Saddam was a brutal and murderous dictator, but as a secular Sunni who ruled with an iron, bloody fist, he was able to crush the fundamentalist threat.

And in that part of the world he was the best we could ever hope for. We pretty much poked ourselves in the eye with all those purple fingers.

13 posted on 06/14/2014 6:31:33 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: TigerClaws

Obama is doing what Bin Laden could never pull off. Single handedly placing a nation state at al Qaeda’s feet.


14 posted on 06/14/2014 6:33:01 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Where’s the body?

In the Whitehouse.

15 posted on 06/14/2014 6:38:02 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama - "I will stand with the Muslims")
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To: samtheman

“And in that part of the world he was the best we could ever hope for. We pretty much poked ourselves in the eye with all those purple fingers. “

Same with Qaddaffi and Assad. They were murdering dictators, but pikers compared to this bunch.


16 posted on 06/14/2014 6:39:33 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: The Toll

Probably the videos of that were “accidentally erased” like Lerner’s emails..”


17 posted on 06/14/2014 6:41:39 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: BenLurkin

18 posted on 06/14/2014 6:47:05 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: TADSLOS

I agree. Obama has made it clear to every Iraq war Vet that he does not respect their mission nor their sacrifice. As a Vietnam combat Vet who was shot twice I can relate. The very same man that sold out every Vietnam Vet to the VC during the Paris Peace talks (John Kerry), was appointed Sec of State not long ago. What is Obama doing today? He is f—ing off playing golf and Kerry is reading a poem in London to a women’s abuse group. What a bunch of leaders we have to represent us in the world., And Hagel who actually served in RVN as an Infantry squad leader is totally lost or in bed with Obama. I would never have believed I would live 67 years only to see the USA so messed up.


19 posted on 06/14/2014 6:50:06 AM PDT by Lumper20 ( clown in Chief has own Gov employees Gestapo)
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To: jjotto

Please file under “Things That Make You Go, Hmmmm...

In 2008, America said: “I’m really busy right now trying to work in live. You take care of everything else.
I don’t want details, I don’t care how you do it...I want closure.”

Come to think of it, isn’t that the current mantra of corporate America?


20 posted on 06/14/2014 6:51:53 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: TigerClaws
OBL helped to bankrupt the Empire. That was the beauty of it.

The USA would spend and keep the world safe while taking away the freedoms and liberty of their own country.

It was the natural positions of the politician to try to be more hard line and the ‘Great American’. Instead of realizing the limitations of force and power from the beginning.

21 posted on 06/14/2014 6:56:55 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: TigerClaws

But, but...Obama likes these people. And he likes the Iranians, too. From his point of view - bummer that these people can’t get along. Too bad he had to have Bin Laden offed, but political exigencies, election coming up - well, you know.

Obama knows who his enemies are - the anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, religious Christian folks - yeah those guys. Gotta get the FBI after them.


22 posted on 06/14/2014 7:02:54 AM PDT by BusterBear
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23 posted on 06/14/2014 7:03:07 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

never submit! effing Mohammedans can whistle Dixie


24 posted on 06/14/2014 7:05:10 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Mohammedans ahaha They HATE being called Mohammedans.

Fred Sanford would refer to em as Mohammedummies!


25 posted on 06/14/2014 7:08:05 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: TigerClaws

Osama Bin Laden and Moslems WON the day BUSH signed that “Patriot Act” and DID NOT GO TO WAR the RIGHT WAY!


26 posted on 06/14/2014 7:09:13 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: TigerClaws
I don't know if UBL has won or not. He has some stiff competition from BHO, Nikita Kruschev, and America's own immorality of letting every “ism” known to man except AMERICANISM flourish. We are such pathetic sheep. There is NO excuse for the existence of a Socialist or Communist Party in America. I am always amazed that the leaders in this country curry favor with the cancers in our national body.
Time for some radical surgery. We need to find a way to so pi$$ off the leftists that they force us to split the country and make us start our own. Or we need to gain control and start ceding states to Mexico and Canada. Let them deal with the socialists and communists and potential jihadists and parasites draining this country.
Question is, how big and how many sacrifices are we willing to make?
27 posted on 06/14/2014 7:12:36 AM PDT by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“and our intelligence people are good.”

Why do you say that? They don’t seem particularly good at their jobs to me.

They couldn’t even stop 2 “youths” from committing mayhem at the Boston Marathon, even after the Russians WARNED us about those 2 losers. We were paying welfare to them and their bitch of a mother! They were on the dole, on the list, readily indentifiable, the Ruskies warned us about them and.....nothing.

And then the FBI just shot that friend of their’s in cold blood, which we’ll never know the truth about that.

So no, they are not good. In fact, they are dreadful.


28 posted on 06/14/2014 7:13:22 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: TigerClaws

Pains me to say it, but I remember thinking that Bin Laden won the day after the Boston Marathon bombing, when tanks were rolling down residential streets and armed officers were “asking” citizens out of their homes at gunpoint.


29 posted on 06/14/2014 7:13:54 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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30 posted on 06/14/2014 7:25:55 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: TigerClaws

He won the MOMENT we passed the Patriot Act. Anything after that doesn’t much matter. It’s just part of the defeat for us.


31 posted on 06/14/2014 7:26:17 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: TigerClaws

The first mistake we made was when we framed our actions post 9-11 in defensive (Afghanistan) and altruistic (Iraq) terms, instead of unabashed punitive and retaliatory ones. This turned out to be a minor mistake because the persecution complex that Islamists possess, caused them to see everything as punitive and retaliatory anyway, especially when, unlike during the Clinton presidency, we were willing to put boots on the ground and shed blood. I think this cowered them a bit. Until.........

....the second mistake was made-electing a Democrat. Liberals are afraid of our enemies, and don’t understand that respect can only be achieved by making them fear us. Obama has squandered all the respect that was gained by our willingness to shed blood to punish our enemies. He believes, as all liberals do, that showing we are harmless will protect us, when it only emboldens them further.


32 posted on 06/14/2014 7:31:02 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: TigerClaws
Does This Mean Osama Bin Laden Has Won?

It means Osama Bin Laden won - or that Obama threw the game. I'm going with Obama threw the game...

33 posted on 06/14/2014 7:31:43 AM PDT by GOPJ (#2 reply spot RESERVED for Tokyo Rose comments: "nothing works - give up - it's all hopeless".)
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To: US Navy Vet

EXACTLY ON POINT!!


34 posted on 06/14/2014 7:37:41 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
My brain is frozen. I can’t even wrap my head around this stuff anymore? I am just numb.

The March to Baghdad by ISIL was known to the Kurds for a year. They have been warning Baghdad about it for a year. So Obama decided to let it occur. Plain and simple.

35 posted on 06/14/2014 7:55:13 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: TigerClaws

Osama won the day the W0n took office. Guilt ridden libtards will finish off America if the Muslims don’t finish them first.
America might recover from an Idiot in Chief, but she won’t recover from the people that put him in office.


36 posted on 06/14/2014 8:14:34 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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The war on terror was never about stopping the terrorists.

It was about turning the USA into a prison camp.

Mission accomplished!

37 posted on 06/14/2014 8:35:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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Why don't you ask him? He's probably around somewhere enjoying the show and savoring his wins.

I don't know what was thrown into the ocean, but without the pics, I have no compelling reasons to believe that was bin Laden's body.

38 posted on 06/14/2014 10:44:40 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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When the obama/biden clown show promises something, look for the opposite to appear.

In 2012 they promised that Osama was dead and GM alive. Now it would appear that GM is beginning its death throes and, whaddya know - Osama is reappearing in the person of Al-Badhdadi.


39 posted on 06/14/2014 12:11:22 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
With all the intelligence we have..and our intelligence people are good...how could the greatest superpower be “caught off guard?” And to free those 5 from Gitmo knowing whats going on in Iraq for the last year? My brain is frozen. I can’t even wrap my head around this stuff anymore? I am just numb.

No doubt that data is suppressed at various levels for political/personal agendas. The military climate is such that one fears telling the truth because it is inconvenient to one's "superiors".

Then, there's the plain old head-in-the-sand trick where those who are supposed to use/act on the data simply stick their fingers in their ears and loudly chant "LA LA LA LA LA" as they ignore data that makes them look bad - as if adding crap to one's resume doesn't make it stink even worse.

40 posted on 06/15/2014 4:11:34 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Steamburg

Very well and simply put.


41 posted on 06/15/2014 4:17:24 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: trebb

It is the 60’s leftist ideology, a mish mash of ‘communist’ ideas, a refusl to ackowledge there is evil in the world and an old “hippie peace love/ nature is beautiful” mantra.

Its not about reality.


42 posted on 06/15/2014 4:19:49 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
It is the 60’s leftist ideology, a mish mash of ‘communist’ ideas, a refusl to ackowledge there is evil in the world and an old “hippie peace love/ nature is beautiful” mantra. Its not about reality.

Agreed - I watched it rise and flop (for a while) before the hard-core Leftists gained the upper hand. The 60's were an interesting time for one born in '52.

43 posted on 06/15/2014 4:23:45 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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