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Mosul has fallen, and al Qaeda is on the march towards Baghdad
weeklystandard.com ^ | 6/14/2014 | Max Boot

Posted on 06/14/2014 6:49:59 AM PDT by rktman

Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, has long been hard for the central government to control because of its combustible mix of Arabs and Kurds. The first time I visited Mosul was in August 2003 when a tenuous calm was maintained by the 101st Airborne Division. Its commander, a then-obscure two-star general named David Petraeus, had on his own initiative opened the Syrian border to trade, struck deals with Syria and Turkey to provide badly needed electricity, restored telephone service, and held elections to elect local leaders. Along the way he also managed to kill Saddam Hussein’s poisonous offspring Uday and Qusay.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Philosophy; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alkidder; alqaeda; baghdad; europeanunion; iran; iraq; iraqmeltdown; isis; israel; jordan; kurdistan; lebanon; mosul; nato; russia; syria; terrywrist; turkey; waronterror
This is actually supposed to come out in the June 23rd edition but is already posted on line. I think I got the print version here to help alleviate some of the ad content. But, I did hear/read something yesterday that the ISIS is so brutal that even al qida is trying to keep them at arms length. Regardless, I guess a few hundred headless bodies along side the road won't deter the lyin' king from taking action. No sirree. He's probably tee'in up right now. FORE!
1 posted on 06/14/2014 6:49:59 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Has anyone actually seen Osama Bin Laden’s body?


2 posted on 06/14/2014 6:52:11 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: rktman

Didn’t Obama say yesterday that he needed a couple of days to get a plan together.The Iraqis don’t have a couple of days.


3 posted on 06/14/2014 6:54:26 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: rktman

So.....what is it? Is Obama on the back nine yet out in Palm Springs yet? Is there time enough for another round?


4 posted on 06/14/2014 6:56:35 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: rktman

Can you give me a good reason that we should go back in and spill American blood to save people (muslims) that will end up hating us infidels anyway?


5 posted on 06/14/2014 6:56:57 AM PDT by umgud
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To: P-Marlowe
He was gone just like Obama’s education, college writings and birth records.
6 posted on 06/14/2014 6:57:31 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Gaffer

7 posted on 06/14/2014 6:58:10 AM PDT by massmike ("You only live once, but it does help if you get to be young twice.")
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To: rktman
Betrayed again by the demoRats just like when the defunded Viet nam. The republicans will win the next race and come in and clean up the mess again.
8 posted on 06/14/2014 6:58:54 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Farmer Dean

That’s just old, old news. That’s history! We can’t move forward if you just keep dredging up old news!

The key point to remember here is that Obama is getting a badly needed stint of golf out in Palm Springs right now, and your tired questions about yesterday are just politically driven - you right wing nutjob. [/s :o)]


9 posted on 06/14/2014 6:59:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Farmer Dean

Priorities FRiend, priorities. Gots some fund raisin and golfin’ to get out of the way before worryin’ about some folks riled up over a video in iraq. Maybe he’s still waitin’ for the report from cnn to show up.


10 posted on 06/14/2014 6:59:35 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: umgud

We need the military on our southern borders to stop the terrorists coming up with the children from Central America.


11 posted on 06/14/2014 7:03:40 AM PDT by spiderfern
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To: rktman
Iraq does have an elected government but one that roughly half of the population....feels doesn’t represent them.

Which country is he writing about?

12 posted on 06/14/2014 7:03:56 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: rktman

All that’s needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.


13 posted on 06/14/2014 7:04:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: rktman

I think this just shows that there’s no hope for these Islam dominated cultures. Our policy in the so called WOT should have been extreme isolationalism. Keep the cancer of Islam over there and don’t allow it to get out of the mideast. But, that was never gonna happen.


14 posted on 06/14/2014 7:04:12 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: rktman
...al Qaeda is on the march towards Baghdad... and GM has to recall thousands more of it's vehicles.

Way to go Rimshot Joe. You were wrong again. LOL!

15 posted on 06/14/2014 7:06:00 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: rktman

how do you say eff you Mohammedans in Arabic or whatever it is they speak


16 posted on 06/14/2014 7:06:36 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: P-Marlowe

I accept that OBL is dead, that it happened outside the Obama’s directive, that hell was paid to those who accomplished that mission, and the Obama subsequently made sure no decision making personnel would oppose him again.


17 posted on 06/14/2014 7:07:57 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: rktman
to ISIS Go to the devil! عليك اللعنة
18 posted on 06/14/2014 7:08:58 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rktman

The Saudis are funding this “Islamist” offensive. The Iranians will intervene to prevent Baghdad from falling. The Saudis want to create an Arabic speaking Sunni confederation composing of large parts of Iraq and Syria to confront Iran. The Iranians will do what they can to prevent the establishment of a hostile Sunni state on their borders. Battle lines will harden but the political situation will remain fluid. Not clear if the Saudis will be able to consolidate their confederation long term. Best for the US to not get involved.


19 posted on 06/14/2014 7:16:27 AM PDT by allendale
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To: rktman
Unfortunately, when the history books about this period in Iraq are written it will be shown that Saddam Hussein was far more effective at dealing with radical Islam in Iraq than George W. Bush ever was.

This is why you don't let Beltway @ssholes put U.S. military personnel in harm's way in some sh!thole halfway around the world. But then I thought we supposedly learned that lesson after Vietnam, didn't we?

20 posted on 06/14/2014 7:17:28 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: rktman

I think we all owe Jimmy Carter an apology. At least Jimmy Carter TRIED.

This Obama is just a complete disaster. Good luck to whoever is president after this nincompoop.

The world is burning and POTUS is golfing. And John “reporting for duty like Ghengis Khan” Kerry is reading a Maya Angelou poem.

I actually think the lefty media is beginning to realize their golem is out of control.

File under: too little too late.


21 posted on 06/14/2014 7:19:05 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: rktman

Yawn Kerry has caused 2 major killing fields in his pathetic lifetime while being praised by the Marxist media.

Pray America wakes up


22 posted on 06/14/2014 7:19:06 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Putin 2016)
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To: massmike

My guess is drone strikes and maybe some hits from carrier planes.

Never underestimate Obama’s ability to move his scandals off the front page. A campaign in Iraq is gonna do just that.

I give it 48 hours or so before the strikes begin. At most.

Hasn’t Tikrit already fallen?


23 posted on 06/14/2014 7:19:48 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: All

Vicious leader of ISIS terrorist group when U.S. forces released him to Iraq: ‘I’ll see you in New York’

http://therightscoop.com/vicious-leader-of-isis-terrorist-group-when-u-s-forces-released-him-to-iraq-ill-see-you-in-new-york/


24 posted on 06/14/2014 7:22:23 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
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To: rktman
Senior intelligence officials have testified recently that they fear Syria could become a launching ground for attacks against the United States.

I am more concerned that the United States could become a launching ground for attacks against the United States. -Tom

25 posted on 06/14/2014 7:24:04 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: rktman
This twit has turned victory into defeat in Iraq.

He is now working on losing WWII.

26 posted on 06/14/2014 7:27:36 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: umgud

Reason #1: Have you bought your prayer rug yet? And how’s that beard coming along. You don’t still let your wife drive your car, do you?


27 posted on 06/14/2014 7:30:33 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: umgud

Same thing isolationists said in 1939 when other fascists were seizing territory and plotting to take over the world. They called it a Reich then, a Caliphate now.

That’s the dilemma of freedom-loving people. Peace seems always to be bought with blood.


28 posted on 06/14/2014 7:30:34 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: umgud

Would it be genocide to eradicate a tribe or tribes of people whose agendas include killing all “infidels”? If the people of the world would just acknowledge that our species has the right to protect itself then maybe we can be rid of these anthropologically retarded animals.


29 posted on 06/14/2014 7:30:46 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, has long been hard for the central government to control because of its combustible mix of Arabs and Kurds.

Mosul is a mostly Kurdish place, and Iran’s client Shiite regime running Iraq has consistently tried to crush both Kurdish autonomy and the large Sunni minority in the Iraqi pseudostate. Mosul is also near the border with Syria, and was a pass-through back when Syria’s Assad regime participated in the terrorists’ war against US and other coalition forces in Iraq, asd during the Gulf War 20 years ago when the late dictator of Syria opposed Saddam, and even before that, during the Iran-Iraq war.

The solution is carving Iraq into several states. Currently Iraq is no different than “black majority rule” in South Africa.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Kurdish-inhabited_area_by_CIA_%281992%29.jpg


30 posted on 06/14/2014 7:30:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: P-Marlowe

Ha.


31 posted on 06/14/2014 7:34:37 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: rktman

I’ve seen some of our retired military on TV saying that Malaki fired all the Generals our military had trained. That means our military did their job, but our State Department failed miserably.


32 posted on 06/14/2014 7:47:14 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Alberta's Child
Unfortunately, when the history books about this period in Iraq are written it will be shown that Saddam Hussein was far more effective at dealing with radical Islam in Iraq than George W. Bush ever was.

Exactly. Hussein ruled with an iron fist over zealots that needed to be ruled over with an iron fist. Saddam Hussein was far less a threat to America than the radical Jihadist that are taking over. He was less of an enemy than the Hussein that 'rules' over us from Pennsylvania Ave.

33 posted on 06/14/2014 7:56:21 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: umgud

Can you give me a good reason that we should go back in and spill American blood to save people (muslims) that will end up hating us infidels anyway?


Many of them are not that hard to find in caravans from one city to the next. Blast them from the sky. Do it one good time so you don’t have to go back and do it again.


34 posted on 06/14/2014 8:03:00 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Right Brother
Hussein ruled with an iron fist over zealots that needed to be ruled over with an iron fist.

As did/does Assad. You cannot be against replacing Saddam and for replacing Assad. And that is the Obama/Progresso position. It contradicts itself as always.

35 posted on 06/14/2014 8:15:36 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Jedidah
Then bomb the sh!t out of them and lay waste to the entire region. Isn't that how it's supposed to be done?

Funny how I don't ever hear this silly, inane bullsh!t from a leader in an Islamic country:

"Islam is a religion of peace."

36 posted on 06/14/2014 8:21:16 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: rktman

Dude, that was like three days ago.


37 posted on 06/14/2014 8:33:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: justa-hairyape
The whole point to be learned from this nation building in Islamic states is that it doesn't work and won't work because of Islam. That leaves us with either trying to obliterate Islam or working within Islamic parameters to prevent terrorism directed at the United States. Dwight Eisenhower got it right in Iran when he deposed an Islamist and reinstated the Shah. Indeed, George Bush got it right when he flipped Quaddafi. In each case the Islamically correct idea was to install a dictator who was our dictator and let him run things provided he restrain the nut cases by whatever means he deemed necessary. Indeed, that also worked with Mubarak in Egypt. An Islamic constitution is very simple: one man rule with few, if any, rights for the subjects, who are actually quite happy that way. In addition, Mudslimes being a form of humanoid plague rats and Islam being pestilential horror, we must do our best to keep them and it out of the USA, another thing Eisenhower did quite well.
38 posted on 06/14/2014 9:27:13 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Alberta's Child
Unfortunately, when the history books about this period in Iraq are written it will be shown that Saddam Hussein was far more effective at dealing with radical Islam in Iraq than George W. Bush ever was. This is why you don't let Beltway @ssholes put U.S. military personnel in harm's way in some sh!thole halfway around the world. But then I thought we supposedly learned that lesson after Vietnam, didn't we?

Yes and no.

Yes Saddam was far more effective at dealing with radical Islam.

No to your generic statement about not putting military personnel in harms way half way around the world. In the right situation where terrorists who attacked our country are involved, the answer is that we should be involved.

39 posted on 06/14/2014 9:51:37 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Alberta's Child
Unfortunately, when the history books about this period in Iraq are written it will be shown that Saddam Hussein was far more effective at dealing with radical Islam in Iraq than George W. Bush ever was.

And those history books will be correct. I can't figure out how Bush got the idea that a democracy of 100 million Islamic voters would result in something positive.

40 posted on 06/14/2014 10:10:09 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: Alberta's Child

41 posted on 06/14/2014 10:12:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
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