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Kurds Seize Disputed Oil Hub Amid Iraq Chaos (assume control of "majority of the Kurdistan region")
AP ^ | June 14, 2014 | Diaa Hadid and Emad Matti

Posted on 06/14/2014 9:42:32 AM PDT by xzins

After a decades-long dispute between Arabs and Kurds over the oil-rich northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk, it took just an hour and a half for its fate to be decided.

As al-Qaida-inspired militants advanced across northern Iraq and security forces melted away, Kurdish fighters who have long dominated Kirkuk ordered Iraqi troops out and seized full control of the regional oil hub and surrounding areas, according to a mid-ranking Army officer. He said he was told to surrender his weapons and leave his base.

"They said they would defend Kirkuk from the Islamic State," said the Arab officer, who oversaw a warehouse in the city's central military base. He asked that his rank not be made public.

The Kurdish takeover of the long-disputed city came days after the extremist Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and other Sunni militants seized much of the country's second largest city of Mosul and Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit before driving south toward Baghdad. Their lightning advance has plunged the country into its worst crisis since the 2011 withdrawal of U.S. troops.

A spokesman for Kurdish forces, known as the peshmerga, said they had only moved in after Iraqi troops retreated, assuming control of the "majority of the Kurdistan region" outside the semi-autonomous Kurdish Regional Government.

"Peshmerga forces have helped Iraqi soldiers and military leaders when they abandoned their positions,"

A lawmaker from Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Shiite-led bloc condemned the peshmerga's move, calling it a "plot" carried out in coordination with the regional government that would "lead to problems."

"The Kurds have taken advantage of the current situation. They seized Kirkuk and they have other plans to swallow other areas," Mohammed Sadoun told The Associated Press.

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The Kurds have been the closest to allies that the US has had from the beginning in Iraq.

I'm guessing that will mean that Obama opposes them.

1 posted on 06/14/2014 9:42:32 AM PDT by xzins
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The Kurds have been the closest to allies that the US has had from the beginning in Iraq.

I’m guessing that will mean that Obama opposes them.


2 posted on 06/14/2014 9:42:53 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

wondering when the kurds would begin to act. good for them.


3 posted on 06/14/2014 9:43:56 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: xzins

If I were a betting man, I certainly wouldn’t bet against you.


4 posted on 06/14/2014 9:44:49 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: xzins

The Kurds have been a thorn in the side of Iraq, Turkey and Iran and that’s a good thing.


5 posted on 06/14/2014 9:45:02 AM PDT by AU72
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To: xzins

Good and quick thinking. Maybe the Kurds could skool Zer0 in the benefits of positive actions in the interest of the nation.


6 posted on 06/14/2014 9:46:21 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: xzins

One of the many political dances GWB had to perform was to promise Turkey and Saudi Arabia that he would not establish or allow to be established a Kurdish state. Such a state would destabilize Turkey, which has a substantial and oppressed Kurdish minority. I’m not sure what Saudi Arabia’s objection was. It seems, however, that Kurdish state is forming on its own. It may become the main post-Obama US ally as I believe they are anti-Iranian, anti-Turkish and pretty much anathema to Sunni’s and Shia. (If anybody could elaborate on the politics of this I’d be grateful.)

I also suspect that Israel will aid such a Kurdish state, which would give them a huge technological leg up on the surrounding Arabs and Persians.


7 posted on 06/14/2014 9:48:25 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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We have screwed them over many times. I hope don’t this time.


8 posted on 06/14/2014 9:50:21 AM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: xzins

Each day seems to be bringing us closer to Iraq being divided into 3 states as per your long time comments from year’s ago.


9 posted on 06/14/2014 9:54:19 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni WonDoer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: xzins

Turkey won’t like that


10 posted on 06/14/2014 9:59:41 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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“The Kurds have been the closest to allies that the US has had from the beginning in Iraq.

I’m guessing that will mean that Obama opposes them.”

Herr Obozo, the Sunni WonDoer might order air strikes against the Kurds to protect his Sunni Brothers, ISIS serial killers.


11 posted on 06/14/2014 10:01:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni WonDoer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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Thanks xzins.
After a decades-long dispute between Arabs and Kurds over the oil-rich northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk, it took just an hour and a half for its fate to be decided. As al-Qaida-inspired militants advanced across northern Iraq and security forces melted away, Kurdish fighters who have long dominated Kirkuk ordered Iraqi troops out and seized full control... "They said they would defend Kirkuk from the Islamic State," said the Arab officer, who oversaw a warehouse in the city's central military base. He asked that his rank not be made public.

12 posted on 06/14/2014 10:06:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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“The Kurds have been a thorn in the side of Iraq, Turkey and Iran and that’s a good thing.”

My Israeli friend told me Mossad have been assisting the Kurds for many years.


13 posted on 06/14/2014 10:14:29 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: Gen.Blather
I also suspect that Israel will aid such a Kurdish state, which would give them a huge technological leg up on the surrounding Arabs and Persians.

Nobody's really sidled up to the Iraqi Kurds because (a) the leadership is a slippery bunch and (b) Iraqi Kurdistan is surrounded by Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey. Can't get to it without the consent of one of its hostile neighbors (hostile to us or hostile to Iraqi Kurdistan). Same problem we have with Afghanistan.

14 posted on 06/14/2014 10:18:44 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: xzins

Obama is the anti-christ.


15 posted on 06/14/2014 10:19:24 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: xzins

This is their moment. They won’t get a better chance.

They need to define their territory and take control of it right now. I believe that is what they will do, and are doing. Circumstances are allowing them to do it, and circumstances are forcing them to do it.


16 posted on 06/14/2014 10:26:46 AM PDT by marron
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To: dragonblustar
Obama is the anti-christ.

The anti-Christ would not go golfing at such a critical time.

17 posted on 06/14/2014 10:29:03 AM PDT by omega4412
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To: Zhang Fei
(b) Iraqi Kurdistan is surrounded by Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey. Can't get to it without the consent of one of its hostile neighbors...

Ergo, it sounds like a great place for an Israeli re-fueling stop on the way to and from Iran...

18 posted on 06/14/2014 10:30:39 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: AU72
The maps being shown indicate a swath of ISIS(?) control extending from Syria into Iraq south to at least Tikrit.

Un seen is a similar swath north of the ISIS swath that includes both Syrian Kurds and Iraqi Kurds.

They are now just Kurds

19 posted on 06/14/2014 10:34:40 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: xzins

Go Kurds!


20 posted on 06/14/2014 10:35:17 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

Tuck Furkey!


21 posted on 06/14/2014 10:35:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: xzins
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22 posted on 06/14/2014 10:36:52 AM PDT by RetSignman (MODERATE Islamist are not as extreme, they stop cutting just before the jugular vein.)
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To: xzins
Today Kirkut, tomorrow Mosul, afterwards the world.

This does look like the end of Iraq as a state. Instead there will be a Kurdistan, a Sunni Arab state, and probably two Shia states for a while, one with oil and the other without. IMO it will take the Shia so long to sort out their sharing issues that the Sunni Arabs will avoid ethnic cleansing and consolidate their state.

Edrogan of Turkey might block Kurdish oil exports for a while, but there will be so much money at stake that he'll be replaced by a Turkish leader who will take Kurdish oil money.

23 posted on 06/14/2014 10:39:00 AM PDT by Thud
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To: marron

They will likely join the Kurds in Syria and Turkey. They are good people.


24 posted on 06/14/2014 10:41:45 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
Turkey won't like that

Turkey's in NATO. What if a newly-formed Kurdish stake decides to liberate Kurdish areas in Turkey?

25 posted on 06/14/2014 10:42:00 AM PDT by grania
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To: xzins

Good.


26 posted on 06/14/2014 10:43:02 AM PDT by McGruff (ISIS Terror Leader Was Released By Obama from Camp Bucca in 2009)
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To: grania
Turkey's in NATO.

Who was the numbskull that thought that was a good idea?

27 posted on 06/14/2014 10:43:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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re: who thought Turkey in NATO was a good idea.

Maybe ancestors of the same people who think Ukraine would be a good addition to NATO.

I'm seeing NATO for what it's become, I suspect. It's the military arm of those darn European bankers.

28 posted on 06/14/2014 10:47:35 AM PDT by grania
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To: xzins
What we are witnessing is history.

Never before in almost a century has Joe Biden been this close to being right about something.

29 posted on 06/14/2014 10:52:03 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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I’m not sure what Saudi Arabia’s objection was.

For all their talk about democracy in the western press the Kurds are really hardcore Marxists.

30 posted on 06/14/2014 10:53:54 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: xzins
Iran is coming to the aid of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Shiite-led bloc.

The Second Persian War may be on the brink.

31 posted on 06/14/2014 10:54:26 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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Who was the numbskull that thought that [Turkey in NATO] was a good idea?<

During the Cold War it was a very good idea.

32 posted on 06/14/2014 10:59:41 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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Who was the numbskull that thought that was a good idea?

Eisenhower.

In the 1950's it was an extremely good idea. It put an end to the active fighting between the Greeks and Turks, which had been a boon to the Greek Communists. It gave us a close set of bases from which to threaten and spy on the USSR. It made the most powerful Muslim state in the world an ally to Israel. And it gave us a really big stick with which to keep the middle east in line, one the Soviets tried but failed to counter with Egypt.

Keep in mind that until the present administration the ruling party in Turkey had the official position that there is no Islamic vs. Western world. There is only modernity or the lack of it. Turkey has been a very good ally over the years. The invasion of Cypress is the only serious exception.

33 posted on 06/14/2014 11:03:55 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: xzins

The Kurds are HARDENED FIGHTERS defending their land - this ISIS mob is child’s play for them. In fact ISIS will not even get near them - they know it’s hopeless.


34 posted on 06/14/2014 11:22:24 AM PDT by BobL
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He took it from Free Republic. We were discussing it here long before ole joe schlepped by


35 posted on 06/14/2014 11:40:31 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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I wish someone would, using simple language, accurately explain Turkey vis-a-vis the Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) and Turkey vis-a-vis the PKK (the Kurdish Marxist terrorist group at war with Turkey since the 1980s). And factor in the Kurdish region of Turkey which the PKK is trying to incite to war against Ankara. The very region of Turkey that I believe is also claimed by Armenia.

I will try to start it. That whole area is absolutely critical it seems to me.

From the posted article: He said it was unlikely the Kurds would seek formal independence from Iraq, however, because such a move would be strongly opposed by neighboring Turkey and Iran -- both of which have sizable Kurdish minorities -- as well as Washington.

Yet it has been well known that..

". . . Ankara has entered into energy deals with the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG), something which has infuriated the central Iraqi government in Baghdad but which has helped the Kurds further build a foundation for their independence [yes true that] Ankara has been so alarmed by the growing Kurdish autonomy [in Syria and tolerated by Syria, I believe] that it reportedly has provided support for [ISIS] in their fight against the Kurdish militia that controls the region [of Syria],which is affiliated with the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)." [my emphasis]

more..

". . . the takeover by ISIS in recent days of Mosul and other cities . . . Ankara will likely not only have to deepen its relationship with the KRG . . . but also alter its approach to the Kurds in Syria [I ask: but demand that the Kurds in Syria reject the PKK?]"

more..

"Explains Lehigh University professor and Turkey expert Henri Barkey in an analysis piece on Al-Monitor website: The crisis may force the Turks to rethink some of their policies in Syria. To date, Ankara’s friendship with the Kurds stopped in Iraq; Erdogan and his government have taken an uncompromising position against Syrian Kurds led by the Democratic Union Party of Kurdistan (PYD), an offshoot of the Turkish Kurdish insurgent group the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The PYD has emerged as the strongest Kurdish group in Syria and has put together an impressive fighting force to defend its territory from both ISIS and the regime. The idea of another autonomous Kurdish region on its borders after the KRG has been anathema to Ankara. Paradoxically, the PYD’s armed elements are some of the only ones that have scored blows against the jihadists. In the face of the ISIS sweep, the PYD and the KRG, which have also had antagonistic relations, appear to be cooperating on defensive measures against ISIS. Turkey may have to reconsider its boycott of the Syrian Kurds to enlarge the anti-ISIS coalition." [my emphasis]

I don't think that the KRG wants anything to do with Turkey's enemy the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) terrorists -- our State Dept calls the PKK a terrorist group.

Turkey was a key ally all during the Cold War. They have their own Obama in the person of (Islamist?) Erdogan and the AKP trying to convert Turkey's secular constitutional government into something tens of millions of Turks oppose. They are the true Turks. Just as we are the true Americans.

36 posted on 06/14/2014 12:13:20 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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This may be of interest also, from 6/5/14:

http://gcaptain.com/kurdish-tanker-hauling-disputed-crude-leaves-moroccan-port-without-unloading/

The Kurds are trying to sell their own oil on the open market.
Baghdad has been trying to hamper those efforts


37 posted on 06/14/2014 12:27:20 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82

Yes thanks. That was interesting with all the talk about how oil prices are going to skyrocket. Here’s a region of Iraq that can be protected and provide oil, maybe it is that simple. Maybe. And as an added bonus destroy the ISIS and replace the corrupt Iran-backed Baghdad government.


38 posted on 06/14/2014 12:38:10 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: xzins
Geopolitically the “Middle East” is extremely important for several important reasons not the least is militarily and who controls it. It is more than oil and regressive religious sects.
39 posted on 06/14/2014 12:43:10 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: xzins

I guess Biden was right for once in his life.


40 posted on 06/14/2014 12:43:57 PM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: nhwingut

See #35. You can check through the archives and verify it.


41 posted on 06/14/2014 12:46:48 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Gotcha... It makes sense. Three countries, three sects. Although I’m sure the fights will be over the lines drawn and important cities, shrines, temples, oil fields, etc. Not that simple.


42 posted on 06/14/2014 12:50:07 PM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: nhwingut

Somewhere way back when we discussed the oil fields, the Kurds having natural access to some, and the Shi’ites to others. That leaves the sunnis having to get theirs via power, which is what old Saddam Hussein did.

It is also a focus of the ISIS leadership, getting theirs the same way as did Saddam.


43 posted on 06/14/2014 12:55:11 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

“Turkey won’t like that”

GOOD!!

turkey and their muslims need to be destroyed!


44 posted on 06/14/2014 12:56:30 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: xzins

Probably.

The Kurds, however, have been making major advances into territory all over the place during this “unrest.” I don’t know what their Islamic thing is - what side they’re on, or if they’re some sort of off-shoot hated by everybody.

But in any case, although the media is trying to make this sound like a “sectarian” conflict, it’s not. Sunnis and Shiites may hate each other, but the ISIL group is killing everybody in their path who want submit to them.

The policeman whose head they were kicking around as their “World Cup” tweet was a Sunni.

They are building their new caliphate, and at that point, the only thing that will matter is sharia, to which both Sunnis and Shias subscribe.


45 posted on 06/14/2014 1:00:41 PM PDT by livius
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Ergo, it sounds like a great place for an Israeli re-fueling stop on the way to and from Iran...

That would be like borrowing Al Capone's neighbor's house to take a shot at him. Once the attempt is over, Capone's gang burns the house down along with its inhabitants. The Kurds don't even have an air force. They can't ward off Iranian air strikes.

46 posted on 06/14/2014 1:18:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Was Azerbaijan any different?


47 posted on 06/14/2014 1:36:29 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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Was Azerbaijan any different?

Azerbaijan is a UN state, and under Russian protection. (It exists as an independent state only because a Russian Tsar wrested it away from the Persian Empire in the 19th century). Any Iranian move would have been viewed by Russia as a slap in the face. Kurdish has no godfather willing and able to make Iran pay for any incursions. In fact, Iraq would be real happy to have Iran help restore Iraqi Kurdistan to its control by invading.

48 posted on 06/14/2014 3:32:01 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: dadfly

I wish the Kurds well, but Turkey is not likely to tolerate an independent Kurdish state. It’s too big a threat to Turkey itself.


49 posted on 06/14/2014 3:35:30 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: marron

I hope they are smart enough to hang onto every piece of ordinance they have AND NOT TRUST THE US FOR THEIR SECURITY.
Just ask the Ukrainians how that worked out....


50 posted on 06/14/2014 3:38:35 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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