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USS Constellation headed for Texas scrapyard
FoxNews.com ^ | June 14, 2014 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 06/14/2014 12:13:27 PM PDT by WhiskeyX

The Navy announced Friday that a $3 million contract has been awarded to International Shipbreaking Limited for the towing, dismantling and recycling of the USS Constellation, a ship first used in the Vietnam War, and last deployed during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

The ship, nicknamed “Connie” by its crew, is part of the Navy’s five-year scrapping plan that also sent the USS Forrestal and the USS Saratoga to Brownsville for dismantling.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; constellation; navy

1 posted on 06/14/2014 12:13:27 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

The USS Enterprise can’t be far behind.


2 posted on 06/14/2014 12:20:50 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: WhiskeyX

A high school buddy was a plane captain for A6s towards the tail end of the Vietnam ‘conflict’.

Bumped into him in Subic Bay..small world.


3 posted on 06/14/2014 12:21:32 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: WhiskeyX

A complete shame. Obozo and the leftist want to make sure they can never be decommissioned. Bozo rushed the space shuttle scuttling for the same reason.

Well, a least we didn’t give these wonderful ships to the Chinese.


4 posted on 06/14/2014 12:22:09 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Arrgh autocomplete. I meant recommissioned.


5 posted on 06/14/2014 12:23:22 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Bumped into him in Subic Bay..

Of course, you both were in Subic on a cultural study mission.

7 posted on 06/14/2014 12:29:43 PM PDT by llevrok (Straight. Since 1950.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

But the steel will almost certainly wind up over there. It will probably some day sail into NY harbor when the US devalues the currency.


8 posted on 06/14/2014 12:31:34 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I lived at Subic and was visited by tons of friends and class mates passing through ‘66-67

BTW..... The Cubi Officers Club was moved to the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola. Great nosatalgic place for lunch


9 posted on 06/14/2014 12:32:56 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: WhiskeyX

Gonna get pix of her going through the channel at Port Isabel, TX....hell I might even paddle an old longboard out into the channel like the old days....


10 posted on 06/14/2014 12:36:13 PM PDT by wxgesr (I wanna be the first to surf on another planet......)
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To: wxgesr

Would like to see those pictures when you get them!


11 posted on 06/14/2014 12:49:58 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: WhiskeyX

Is Obongo on”The List”????????????????????


12 posted on 06/14/2014 12:53:15 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: WhiskeyX

We are going to be needing her and all of the “Moth Ball Fleet” in the not to distant future.


13 posted on 06/14/2014 12:55:56 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: FreeAtlanta

That is an OLD ship. These things were used hard and are worn out. Hulls and frames are stressed, engines are shot, ducting wiring, plumbing go bad, seals and gaskets of all kinds, etc. Better bang for the buck to build new, as every commercial shipping company understands. Merchant ships like container vessels generally are replaced in 20 years.


14 posted on 06/14/2014 1:06:32 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: llevrok

He was just headed out after a few days in port on the Connie, and I was just landing there TDY from Futemna., ended up staying almost a week. never did get together for a drink.

He did drop me the name of the club his harem worked at .. for cultural study purposes only, of course. ;-]


15 posted on 06/14/2014 1:52:25 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: WhiskeyX

sorta like cash for clunkers debacle?

sheesh, is it that easy to replace ships?

what happened to mothballing them til we need them?


16 posted on 06/14/2014 1:57:33 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
what happened to mothballing them til we need them?

The mothball fleet still has some years of usage left in them.

At this point, the Connie has 54 years of hard use behind her...and she's plumb worn out.

17 posted on 06/14/2014 2:03:18 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: yldstrk
what happened to mothballing them til we need them?

Ahem... You do realize "mothballing" is just a metaphor, right?

There is no way to stop a steel ship in a salt water environment from decaying. Putting an aircraft carrier with its many complex systems back into service after years without maintenance can be nearly as expensive as building a new ship. When the ship is a 1960's design and is worn out to begin with it just isn't worth trying to store it.

And I haven't even touched on the question of "mothballing" a ship's nuclear reactor.

18 posted on 06/14/2014 2:36:27 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp
The Connie CV-64 is not nuclear. I was a reactor operator aboard Enterprise CVN-65 long ago and far away. The Connie was occasionally parked beside us.

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19 posted on 06/14/2014 2:47:07 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (The fool is always greater than the proof.)
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To: SeeSharp
The decision to not maintain it was made in 2003. At that point it was destined for a museum, live fire test, scuttling or scrapping. Since then it has had 11 years of sitting there rusting.
20 posted on 06/14/2014 2:55:56 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Mycroft Holmes

Interesting. I thought Independence was the last conventional powered carrier in service. I remember there was some hoopla about it when they replaced it at its home port in Japan with a nuclear powered carrier. Rumsfeld told the Japanese sorry it’s what we’ve got.


21 posted on 06/14/2014 2:56:36 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: FreeAtlanta
A complete shame. Obozo and the leftist want to make sure they can never be decommissioned.

Returned into commission for what? She was 41 years old and worn out. Money would be better spent on maintaining the carriers still in commission.

Bozo rushed the space shuttle scuttling for the same reason.

Rather than rush the space shuttle into retirement, NASA under Obama scheduled an additional mission. The shuttles in general served longer than originally planned.

22 posted on 06/14/2014 3:00:16 PM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: SeeSharp
Seems to be a long road from decommissioning to razor blades. From the Wiki:

After 41 years of commissioned service, the USS Constellation was decommissioned at the Naval Air Station North Island in San Diego on 7 August 2003. The ship was towed, beginning 12 September 2003, to the ghost fleet at the Naval Inactive Ship Maintenance Facility, Bremerton, Washington. On 2 December 2003, the ship was stricken (formally removed from the Naval Vessel Register) when Admiral Vern Clark decided against expenditure of maintenance costs.

Constellation is currently in Reserve Category X, meaning it receives no maintenance or preservation, and only security against fire, flooding, and pilferage is provided. Reserve Category X applies to ships that have been stricken and are awaiting disposal by scrap, sale to foreign countries, as a designated target in a live fire exercise, memorial, or donation, as applicable.[14]

As of February 2008, Constellation is scheduled to be disposed of by dismantling in the next five years, along with USS Independence.[15]

As of 26 January 2012 the Navy's Naval Sea Systems Command posted a notice of solicitation for the towing and complete dismantlement of multiple CV-59/CV-63 Class Aircraft Carriers in the United States, to include ex-Forrestal (CV-59), ex-Independence (CV-62), and ex-Constellation (CV-64).[16]

The Constellation will be scrapped at Brownsville, Texas in 2014.[17]

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23 posted on 06/14/2014 3:12:57 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (The fool is always greater than the proof.)
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To: Parley Baer

Puget Sound Naval Shipyard is going to dismantle the Enterprise.


24 posted on 06/14/2014 3:38:28 PM PDT by microgood
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To: WhiskeyX

Gift her to Taiwan or the Aussies, I say.


25 posted on 06/14/2014 3:45:25 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: WhiskeyX

My cousin served aboard the Connie ans Independence.


26 posted on 06/14/2014 3:51:41 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: bert

Can you still get a Cubi Dog & an ice cold San Miguel?


27 posted on 06/14/2014 4:05:48 PM PDT by twister881
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To: WhiskeyX
It's a sad end but the truth is mothballed conventionals can't be restored because of structural, time, and cost restraints. The Navy could in a pinch using the last conventional plan put out a 1200 PSI plant in a couple of years. You are not going to bring one out of the boneyard quicker. Boilers all 8 of them would have to be replaced. That means taking the hull down to the keel as the boilers are one of the first things installed in construction and the ship built around them.

These are not typical boilers. They are 1200 PSI systems {every modern super carrier except for Forestall had 8-1200 PSI steam plants}. Forestall had 600 PSI system. Those boilers with a leak the size of a pencil lead can decapitate or dismember you and you will not see or hear the leak. This is not typical steam it is dryer superheated steam.

One of the few conventional carriers that in theory had another 20-25 years left was America CV-66. Back in about 1992 - 1994 a decision was made to skip her S.L.E.P. Ship Life Extension Program for the last half of her estimated 50 years service life and instead decommissioned her. She was later sank as a research project for the USS Gerald R Ford project a new class of carriers.

The JFK the last conventional built will be in no shape for recommission either. She suffered substantial neglect on maintenance due to policies first put in place in about 1990 by Poppy's administration and approved by congress to downsize the Navy and military. First things cut were maintenance budgets then the very number of soldiers, sailors, Marines, and Airmen on active duty. It cost quite a few mid career service members their vested time in.

Anyway the military gained under Reagan was being dismantled by political pressures rather than practical reality from about 1990 on. The end result we witnessed at the 9/11 attack. For likely the first time in post WW2 history two carriers were unable to get underway due to maintenance/readiness issues. These issues were not cause by the ships Captain or crew but rather by defunding shipyard work. It continues still today.

We went from four carrier construction shipyards to one. CONNIE I think was the last carrier not built in Newport News Shipbuilding Company. She was built at NAV SY/NEW YORK aka Brooklyn. And that folks is the sum total of the Bipartisan congressional and Executive Branch dismantling of our Navy.

28 posted on 06/14/2014 4:44:53 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

CVN70
bump


29 posted on 06/14/2014 5:03:40 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: WhiskeyX

I’d always hoped the USS CONSTELLATION (CV-64) would have been preserved in her home port of San Diego, CA. Instead, USS MIDWAY (CV-41) got there first. The old “Connie” was a great ship. She deserves to be preserved somewhere and not scrapped.


30 posted on 06/14/2014 5:38:03 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: SeeSharp

The Kennedy and the Kitty Hawk, essentially twins, we’re the last conventionally powered carriers. Interestingly, they were built after the Enterprise which was the first nuclear powered carrier. I worked on the Kennedy in 1968, helping to get it ready for delivery to the Navy.


31 posted on 06/15/2014 7:31:01 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Parley Baer

The Enterprise is 50 years old. A complete overhaul would cost about half what a new carrier would cost.


32 posted on 06/15/2014 7:33:14 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg
The Enterprise is 50 years old. A complete overhaul would cost about half what a new carrier would cost.

And you would add, maybe, ten years to its life. A new carrier is good for the next 50 years.

33 posted on 06/15/2014 7:35:54 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: riverdawg
The Kennedy and the Kitty Hawk, essentially twins, we’re the last conventionally powered carriers. Interestingly, they were built after the Enterprise which was the first nuclear powered carrier. I worked on the Kennedy in 1968, helping to get it ready for delivery to the Navy

Construction order was Kitty Hawk CVA/CV 63, Connie CVA/CV 64, Enterprise CVN-65, America CVA/CV 66, & JFK CV-67. Kitty Hawk & JFK were their class name but three other carriers two CV's and one CVN built in between. 63, 64, & 66 were essentially the same except for one notable difference. CV 66 America had a Sonar Dome in the hull. It was taken out during either in the 1980 or 85 overhaul.

There was a rumor America was to be a nuke and McNamara changed the plan. Quite impossible to do as the keel had been laid before he became Sec of Def. The rumor IMO was likely created because for some reason an error was make on her blue prints saying slashed CVN with CVA 66 on some of the piping charts. I do remember seeing that on some chill water piping prints in Central and thinking it odd.

JFK would have fallen under McNamara scrutiny, was created as a separate class conventional the first and only Kennedy class carrier, and built later and contract awarded under LBJ. Award Date: 04/30/1964. America was ordered under Ike's tenure and Keel laid 01/09/1961.

34 posted on 06/16/2014 12:38:08 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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“I do remember seeing that on some chill water piping prints in Central and thinking it odd.”

Thanks for the correction. I had obviously confused the America and Kitty Hawk.

I believe the Kennedy started out as a Kitty Hawk class carrier, but underwent so many Navy modifications on-the-fly that it became essentially a one-off. I know that shipyard officials were constantly frustrated at the Navy's design changes. I recall hearing at the time that the JFK had also originally been designed to be nuclear-powered. Any truth to that?

I saw some radioactivity safety markings at various places on the JFK. I remember laughing at the time, and thinking that that NNS&DD Co. had used some signs and piping covers left over from the Enterprise ...!

35 posted on 06/16/2014 7:14:39 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg
If JFK was at one point to be a nuke it would have had to have been before the contract was awarded and keel laid. If there was such a change it would make sense because Nam was heating up. When America was awarded and keel laid Nam was not an issue. Once the keel is late it's too late. The ship is literally built around the propulsion plant with either boilers or reactors being first thing installed down on the 6th deck. The bulkhead thickness would also be different I assume. But the boilers or reactor is ordered way ahead of time and must be delivered and place inside.

The markings could have possibly been from where the yards do extensive piping X-Rays checking wields and for any wear flaws. The radioactivity is such it has to be done remotely IIRC. I know in our overhaul in 1980 we had a lot of X-Rays taken. I remember lots of warning signs on the entrances to the spaces being X-Rayed.

36 posted on 06/16/2014 1:24:51 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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